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[Lord MK]

I was actually all prepared to make a case against Brewersalliance if Rafay did flip scum.
It seemed like a well-orchestrated ploy by 2 scum where one sacrifices himself and the other gets total town cred for calling him out.
Rafay didn't seem to even try to defend himself so it looked to me like it was a big charade.

But nooooo.....

Brewersalliance indeed was correct that Rafay wasn't the jailkeeper. He gets townie points in my book but still not 100% confirmed.
Both scum and townies had valid reasons for lynching Rafay so there isn't too much to be gained from analyzing the wagon.

If Lord MK knew he was town when he unvoted, he certainly didn't try to get anyone else to unvote. He said he's not the jester which is exactly what the jester would say.

But let's get back to basics. When a townie is lynched, you suspect those that voted to lynch. Unfortunately in this case, every vote after Brewersalliance can be discounted. There was one vote before then.

Vote: Darkfox

Well, someone is sensible.



Guys, i know that it will be tough for me to get out of the situation i am in.
No matter what i throw at you, Brewers will never find it strong enough. And seeing that all the people here are following him, and Brewers is hell bent to lynch me, it's basically game over for me.

But it doesn't mean that it's game over for town, so I suggest that you do examine other information that we have, share anything interesting. I am not in any way asking you to shift away from me, you can keep your vote on me.

It's just that other than all this talk about me being scum, there's nothing else happening.
KevinH did make a start in this direction.
So please do that too along with the bashing on me.

[DarkFox]

Traitors of the town.

 

 

You are dead and a liar. Calling us traitors when you did nothing to inspire trust. 

[brewersalliance]

I was actually all prepared to make a case against Brewersalliance if Rafay did flip scum.
It seemed like a well-orchestrated ploy by 2 scum where one sacrifices himself and the other gets total town cred for calling him out.
Rafay didn't seem to even try to defend himself so it looked to me like it was a big charade.
But nooooo.....
Brewersalliance indeed was correct that Rafay wasn't the jailkeeper. He gets townie points in my book but still not 100% confirmed.
Both scum and townies had valid reasons for lynching Rafay so there isn't too much to be gained from analyzing the wagon.
If Lord MK knew he was town when he unvoted, he certainly didn't try to get anyone else to unvote. He said he's not the jester which is exactly what the jester would say.
But let's get back to basics. When a townie is lynched, you suspect those that voted to lynch. Unfortunately in this case, every vote after Brewersalliance can be discounted. There was one vote before then.Vote: Darkfox

Well, someone is sensible.
Guys, i know that it will be tough for me to get out of the situation i am in.
No matter what i throw at you, Brewers will never find it strong enough. And seeing that all the people here are following him, and Brewers is hell bent to lynch me, it's basically game over for me.
But it doesn't mean that it's game over for town, so I suggest that you do examine other information that we have, share anything interesting. I am not in any way asking you to shift away from me, you can keep your vote on me.
It's just that other than all this talk about me being scum, there's nothing else happening.
KevinH did make a start in this direction.
So please do that too along with the bashing on me.

I'm not hell-bent on lynching you. If you can give me a reason for your all over the place actions that make no sense and a legit reason unlike the cryptic one u gave which made zero sense as well I have no issue with taking my vote off you
And now I'm even more confused. You said you hopefully would be lynched today earlier and now you are saying you don't want to be lynched. Which is it lol
My gut is still saying you are Jester

[DarkFox]

But let's get back to basics.  When a townie is lynched, you suspect those that voted to lynch.  Unfortunately in this case, every vote after Brewersalliance can be discounted.  There was one vote before then.   Vote: Darkfox

 

 

As I stated for my vote on Rafay he was acting the most suspicious and was lying. His lie was proven when he was lynched. If me being catching him in a lie makes me the scum in your mind then so be it. Regardless with him ending up being town I am happy with the vote, Rafay was extremely distracting and not a team player.

[Lachiton]

You tell me what positive outcome would I achieve by jumping on the wagon with other pilling on? FYI my reasoning is here  I'm wondering what are you trying to archieve with that, when its obvious that Rafays wagon is useless for analysis?

Wagon analysis is never useless. Even though Rafay's wagon is the easiest for scum to get on, especially with the self destructible play he displayed here, scum will still dilly dally around so that they have an escape route. I get a feeling you're playing it safe and not going hard enough on anybody. Also with the target you already painted on your back, I am surprised scum has yet to take you out. 

 

As of right now I'm really suspicious of MK. Like I said during D3 he's pulling a complete 180. From the first person to 'call Rafay out as usual' during D2 (including a vote) to claiming that he always knew that Rafay was town which is why he didn't vote him D3. Sounds to me like scum bandwagoning during D2 trying to get him killed and seeing as Rafay dug his hole big enough, he didn't need to be on the Rafay wagon D3 so he could claim, like he's doing now, that Rafay wasn't scum to score some townie points. Almost everybody thought that Rafay was scum, the only people that know he wasn't for certain are very likely to be scum. 

Dont you think MK is making it too easy to lynch him? It seems s to me he is actually baiting. The possibility of a jester cant be ruled out but it can also be scum trying to distract us.

[DarkFox]

Dont you think MK is making it too easy to lynch him? It seems s to me he is actually baiting. The possibility of a jester cant be ruled out but it can also be scum trying to distract us.

 

If he is a jester is there any downside to lynching him? TW said that the Jester role would not end the game, and if he is the jester that means he will continue to act suspicious in order to get lynched and would distract us from hunting down the real scum. At this point if he is town but baiting us to lynch him then he is a distraction from our goal of winning. 

 

MK please give me a reason to not lynch you, unless you are scum then carry on.

[Canik]

 

But let's get back to basics.  When a townie is lynched, you suspect those that voted to lynch.  Unfortunately in this case, every vote after Brewersalliance can be discounted.  There was one vote before then.   Vote: Darkfox

 

 

As I stated for my vote on Rafay he was acting the most suspicious and was lying. His lie was proven when he was lynched. If me being catching him in a lie makes me the scum in your mind then so be it. Regardless with him ending up being town I am happy with the vote, Rafay was extremely distracting and not a team player.

 

But we didn't know he was lying until after Brewers vote. :x

[DarkFox]

 

 

But let's get back to basics.  When a townie is lynched, you suspect those that voted to lynch.  Unfortunately in this case, every vote after Brewersalliance can be discounted.  There was one vote before then.   Vote: Darkfox

 

 

As I stated for my vote on Rafay he was acting the most suspicious and was lying. His lie was proven when he was lynched. If me being catching him in a lie makes me the scum in your mind then so be it. Regardless with him ending up being town I am happy with the vote, Rafay was extremely distracting and not a team player.

 

But we didn't know he was lying until after Brewers vote. :x

 

 

I was under the impression that he was the doctor because of my limited knowledge of the roles. Now that I am looking back at the posts I see that he didn't lie until after my lynch vote. So my suspicion at the time were wrong. In my defense I am working off memory of nearly a month ago. I can see now why Kevin is suspicious.

[Ali bin Turban]

I don't think we should dispute if someone is a Jester or not, because in the long run it'll be destructive to the town due to the thinking pattern of: "he acts scummy, he might be a Jester, should we lynch him or not?". It's so easy to get lynched (check Rafay's behavior) so really it's not necessary for any Jester to play subtly. Lynching a Jester is not good for town (as lynching anyone but mafia), but at least it's not as bad as letting scum slip through.

 

"So you say scum won't be able to get you and still you don't want to share information? Then what are you afraid of?"

You know that they say if someone claims tracker, use your Ninja.
If someone claims cop, roleblock him.
If someone claims doc, use your strongman.

So
if i share it with you, i may not be killed, but it does mean that i will be as good as a vanilla townie from now. Especially with all the X-Shots.

 

That's true, but why are you asking people to vote on you and stating that you'll hopefully get lynched today? No townie in his right mind would say anything like that.

What is your reason to vote on Brewers (I don't give a crap about your "promise" from D3, I'm asking for real reasons)?

Why would you say that Brewers could have guessed that Rafay's not a Jailer? How often do townies lie when RCing? Do you even realize how risky it would be for the scum to make such move?

And finally, time's passing and you're keep on avoiding giving the honest answer to the question why have you claimed that you knew Rafay's town and yet you voted on him.

 

 

@TW we use the "hammering" term quite liberally here (including the person who pushed a wagon into half majority), while, if I'm not mistaken, on the Mafia Wiki it strictly means majority vote which ends the day. My question is, what's your interpretation of SuperSaint power: would it trigger on half majority lynch or would it need a majority lynch (that immediately ends the day)?

[Ali bin Turban]

Wagon analysis is never useless. Even though Rafay's wagon is the easiest for scum to get on, especially with the self destructible play he displayed here, scum will still dilly dally around so that they have an escape route. I get a feeling you're playing it safe and not going hard enough on anybody. Also with the target you already painted on your back, I am surprised scum has yet to take you out.

 

So you say you could now accuse anyone on the Rafay's wagon (except for DarkFox) for being a scum, because they voted on him and he turned out to be town? No you wouldn't, since everyone (except for MK) said/accepted that Rafay's a scum and there was no force on earth that could save him. It this situation how does it make more safe to sit on the sidelines rather than sit on the "confirmed scum" wagon? And did my actions on D2 were taken right from the "Mafia: play it safe" book, that you're now saying I'm playing safe?

 

Also, noone has died tonight and yet you're surprised I'm alive. Do I really need to comment on that?

[KevinH]

Now that I am looking back at the posts I see that he didn't lie until after my lynch vote.
So my suspicion at the time were wrong. In my defense I am working off memory of nearly a month ago.
I can see now why Kevin is suspicious.
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Honestly, I'm not very suspicious of Darkfox but it's just something for discussion.
An early vote on Rafay is very understandable, and after the Rafay-Brewersalliance exchange it's understandable to leave it there.

^ I messed up the quote

The first paragraph is Darkfox, the second paragraph is me.

[brewersalliance]

I don't think we should dispute if someone is a Jester or not, because in the long run it'll be destructive to the town due to the thinking pattern of: "he acts scummy, he might be a Jester, should we lynch him or not?". It's so easy to get lynched (check Rafay's behavior) so really it's not necessary for any Jester to play subtly. Lynching a Jester is not good for town (as lynching anyone but mafia), but at least it's not as bad as letting scum slip through.

 

I agree, and since it would not end the game if it happens it happens.  sure the downside would be that we did not lynch scum, but how helpful is a Jester really going to be?  all they would do is provide misinformation and do whatever they can to get lynched, which in turn could translate into hurting the town.  

[Lord MK]

I am saying that i hope that i will be lynched soon as I am done here.
It's just too frustrating to keep on defending myself, which i don't really like to do..
It would be much better if i don't have to take part in this every day.

The moment Brewers take charge of the town is the moment the town loses.
Take the Scales of Justice game, for example. Brewers was always against me the whole game and guess what? mafia won.
But in that game, we had a chance as Mafia finally got rid of him.
But in this game, mafia is super intelligent. Most probably, it's Rhizoctonia level players as scum.


And all of you can do whatever you want and lynch me or not, i no longer give a shit. I am not going to defend myself anymore.
So basically, i am game throwing.

[Kitkat16]

fwiw, I believe you, MK. I'm sick of people who don't like you for out-of-game reasons constantly using this medium as an opportunity to have a go at you. It just turns into people pushing to lynch you every single game. My vote is remaining elsewhere (I haven't decided quite where yet, but it's certainly not on you.) As for the rest of you, will you just give it a rest...

[DarkFox]

I'm sick of people who don't like you for out-of-game reasons

 

 

I like MK though.

[Kitkat16]

 

I'm sick of people who don't like you for out-of-game reasons

 

 

I like MK though.

 

 

Shrug. OK. I've just seen a lot of people go after MK game after game at the slightest excuse.

[Ali bin Turban]

MK if you don't care to defend yourself, then go ahead and RC and share your intel. That will at least give town something and it's much better than getting lynched / dying at night and taking it all to the grave.

fwiw, I believe you, MK. I'm sick of people who don't like you for out-of-game reasons constantly using this medium as an opportunity to have a go at you. It just turns into people pushing to lynch you every single game. My vote is remaining elsewhere (I haven't decided quite where yet, but it's certainly not on you.) As for the rest of you, will you just give it a rest...

I hope you're town, because if you're scum, that's awfully low play.

Other than that, I don't think Atliis has even spoken today. Also colonel Medved is very quiet.

[Kitkat16]

MK if you don't care to defend yourself, then go ahead and RC and share your intel. That will at least give town something and it's much better than getting lynched / dying at night and taking it all to the grave.

fwiw, I believe you, MK. I'm sick of people who don't like you for out-of-game reasons constantly using this medium as an opportunity to have a go at you. It just turns into people pushing to lynch you every single game. My vote is remaining elsewhere (I haven't decided quite where yet, but it's certainly not on you.) As for the rest of you, will you just give it a rest...

I hope you're town, because if you're scum, that's awfully low play.

Other than that, I don't think Atliis has even spoken today. Also colonel Medved is very quiet.

 

MK can confirm that we discussed months ago via PM how much it sucked that people constantly lynched him for out-of-game reasons. I'm not pulling this stuff out of my arse.

[Canik]

I have nothing against MK and no out-of-game reason to vote for him. He's just seemed the most suspicious with his vague explainations for his suspicious actions. His last post did seem pretty sincere tho, I'll say that. But if not him, who?

[DarkFox]

Well if none of the actives are on the table perhaps we should look more into those who haven't been participating much.