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[Lord MK]

MK if you don't care to defend yourself, then go ahead and RC and share your intel. That will at least give town something and it's much better than getting lynched / dying at night and taking it all to the grave.

fwiw, I believe you, MK. I'm sick of people who don't like you for out-of-game reasons constantly using this medium as an opportunity to have a go at you. It just turns into people pushing to lynch you every single game. My vote is remaining elsewhere (I haven't decided quite where yet, but it's certainly not on you.) As for the rest of you, will you just give it a rest...

I hope you're town, because if you're scum, that's awfully low play.

Other than that, I don't think Atliis has even spoken today. Also colonel Medved is very quiet.

MK can confirm that we discussed months ago via PM how much it sucked that people constantly lynched him for out-of-game reasons. I'm not pulling this stuff out of my arse.

I can confirm this.

Well, if you are so interested in my RC, i don't have a true role.
It's just a mix of various X-Shots.
Day 1, i tracked Rafay, who is by default the number one choice for me.
That paid off as he visited Kevin. And seeing that Kevin didn't die.
I thought that rafay must have been roleblocked.
So I had a cop report done on Rafay, which confirmed that he was town.
I also have a 1-shot bulletproof ability, so that's why I said no one can touch me tonight.
Happy?
And thank you for spoiling the purpose of my remaining role. I was trying to lure any scum into targeting me in order to make them lose one more Night kill.
But that ain't happening now.

[brewersalliance]

So you are claiming jack of all trades then. Couple questions though. You knew after n2 that rafay was town from investigating him, yet you still voted for him and suggested we end the day early. Then you took your vote off him and claimed you knew he was town but gave us no reason and even know that you knew he was town and was going to die, you never shared the information that could have saved him?

I'm sorry but your role claim makes zero sense to me compared to your actual actions in the game

[brewersalliance]

Plus what you did with your actions is just way to convenient. The only actions anyone knows about is Rafay protecting Kevin. And one of the only two confirmed alignments in the game is Rafay being town. So it just so happens that both your actions happen to be things that everyone know are 100% true, which are the only two possible actions anyone in the game can claim at this point that can be verified as true. I am sorry but that is just way way way too convenient. And like I previously said, it in no way makes any actual sense when you compare it to how you have behaved in game

[brewersalliance]

And saying people are targeting you this game is total BS. I have absolutely nothing against you at all. I can't speak for others but I would really hope that people wouldn't play like petty idiots. The only reason anyone is going after you this game is because how you have been playing as the days have progressed. Just look at D1 and D2 compared to how things changed on D3 and now D4. Read your posts you have made. Hell, if they were made by anyone other than you, I would be looking at them as suspect #1. And I'm sure you would be right there looking at them as well. Seriously, can you honestly tell us that what you have been doing this entire game isnt just full of contradicting actions?

The only "scum hunting" you have honestly participated in was going after Rafay early on D2, then going after Rafay again on D3 and suggesting to end the day early which would have lynched him (even though you claim to have known he was town because of your investigation-which still absolutely blows my mind as to why you would do that) and then you hard pivoted to me and said I was making the entire thing up.

[Lord MK]

I voted Rafay to see if Kevin does something.
Apparently he didn't, so i changed.

[Colonel Medved]

Looks like i have some catching up to do..

 

 

The Warrior, on 09 May 2018 - 14:26, said: Vote Count   Rafay (9): Darkfox, Brewersalliance, SeaBeeGipson, Colonel Medved, Atliis, KevinH, Mandarijn, Lachiton, Rhizoctonia        

 

Traitors of the town.

 

 

This made me laugh, how could you call us traitors when you gave us absolutely no proof that you were town (and lied about your role). Of course we would have thought you were scum, you didnt say anything that would have convinced us that you were actually town. 10/10 gamethrow of the year

 

 

Anyways, as i promised last time, Vote: brewersalliance

 

 

I wouldnt have been so fast to jump onto a vote, he didnt lie about Rafay. 

 

 

Brewersalliance indeed was correct that Rafay wasn't the jailkeeper.  He gets townie points in my book but still not 100% confirmed. Both scum and townies had valid reasons for lynching Rafay so there isn't too much to be gained from analyzing the wagon.

 

 

I agree, the actions Rafay displayed seemed scummy at the very least. Lying about his role and doing nothing to provide actual evidence that he wasn't scum. It would be hard to distinguish the difference between townie and scum because of this.

 

 

I hope you're town, because if you're scum, that's awfully low play. Other than that, I don't think Atliis has even spoken today. Also colonel Medved is very quiet.

 

 

My apologies, I've been a little busy lately. I've been looking at the chat here and there to keep up to date, but didnt really have an idea of what i wanted to say yet. 

 

In closing (this long message), i believe MK's claim. It sounds like he had a good plan to bait in scum, but its a shame he was pressured so fast out the gate.

 

I'm going to stay no lynch until more information arises. 

 

 

 

 

[Lord MK]

Just because whatever i know town knows, doesn't mean that i am just a pathetic liar. I can only tell stuff that i know. I am not that good at making stuff out of thin air, as Brewers is claiming or as Brewers can.

On day 2, when Rafay RCed, i was waiting to RC if he revealed who he was going to tell as his target, if it was anyone except Kevin, i would have RCed right there.
But he did, exactly what i didn't expect him to say.
But i still did my investigation on him, because there is this other scenario i once had as scum, where my partner was blocked( as in doctor block) and there was a high chance of the tracker already on him, so at daybreak, he claimed that he investigated his target.
Thus preempting the tracker.

I had a hunch on this and since D2 was nothing much other than Rafay, Samus i didn't nothing much to go on.
So i investigated Rafay.


Well, that's the best i can do.
Don't expect anything more.

Btw, can we get a vote count?

[Rhizoctonia]

fwiw, I believe you, MK. I'm sick of people who don't like you for out-of-game reasons constantly using this medium as an opportunity to have a go at you. It just turns into people pushing to lynch you every single game. My vote is remaining elsewhere (I haven't decided quite where yet, but it's certainly not on you.) As for the rest of you, will you just give it a rest...

 

He's being pushed to get lynched because of his playing.  I will not stop scum hunting and pointing out clear contradictions someone makes from post to post.  He's contradicted himself over and over this game, and lied about always voting Rafay D1 each game which was easily proven to be false.  If he doesn't want to be in the spotlight, maybe he shouldn't continue to say one thing and then say/do something completely different.  

 

 

MK can confirm that we discussed months ago via PM how much it sucked that people constantly lynched him for out-of-game reasons. I'm not pulling this stuff out of my arse.

I can confirm this.

Well, if you are so interested in my RC, i don't have a true role.
It's just a mix of various X-Shots.
Day 1, i tracked Rafay, who is by default the number one choice for me.
That paid off as he visited Kevin. And seeing that Kevin didn't die.
I thought that rafay must have been roleblocked.
So I had a cop report done on Rafay, which confirmed that he was town.
I also have a 1-shot bulletproof ability, so that's why I said no one can touch me tonight.
Happy?
And thank you for spoiling the purpose of my remaining role. I was trying to lure any scum into targeting me in order to make them lose one more Night kill.
But that ain't happening now.

 

 

So your revelations like Brewers mentioned are merely things that are already a given that everyone knows is 100% true.  Convenient, but ok.  So you claim to use up both of your important actions on Rafay, with only a remaining bulletproof left.  Why wouldn't you come forth with such information?  You, yourself even stated yesterday that it's D3, RC's are acceptable.  You already used up pretty much your most useful two abilities, and your one ability would of stopped us from lynching a town that you supposedly could confirm.  Instead, you vote Rafay, without you even knowing the vote count as you claim.

 

You stated:
 

I didn't get the vote count yet, so I am not to blame.
Till TW posts the vote count and i see there is a chance of ending the day with my vote, I will be keeping my vote where it is now.
I am definitely not going to count the votes, if you are going to suggest that.

If it's a given that he is going to be lynched, then what problem is my vote going to do?
And unless someone is going to bring something up, I don't see any reason to drag this day forward

 

You didn't look to defend him, you didn't know what current vote count was out, and you didn't have a problem getting the lynch over and done with and not drag the day out more. 

You never came forward.  You had information as you claim that could of stopped us lynching a town player, you think not coming forward to save your bulletproof is better then not preventing a lynch a person you can confirm is not scum?  Hell, you could of came forward and RC that you're the jack of all trades and lie/not say what roles you have left to bait scum into looking to knock you off to use up your bulletproof, but you didn't.  You instead let us mislynch, put your two probably most important night actions go to vain and useless because you didn't, and for what?

 

I voted Rafay to see if Kevin does something.
Apparently he didn't, so i changed.

 

 

Kevin do what?  Kevin stated before your vote that he could not confirm or deny that Rafay jailed him since he supposedly did no action.  So what exactly were you looking for Kevin to do that apparently he didn't.  He stated that, before your vote.  So claiming that's the reason you voted Rafay doesn't make sense and looks completely made up.  


Too many lies, too many contradictions. 

Vote:  MK

[Rhizoctonia]

Just because whatever i know town knows, doesn't mean that i am just a pathetic liar. I can only tell stuff that i know. I am not that good at making stuff out of thin air, as Brewers is claiming or as Brewers can.

On day 2, when Rafay RCed, i was waiting to RC if he revealed who he was going to tell as his target, if it was anyone except Kevin, i would have RCed right there.
But he did, exactly what i didn't expect him to say.
But i still did my investigation on him, because there is this other scenario i once had as scum, where my partner was blocked( as in doctor block) and there was a high chance of the tracker already on him, so at daybreak, he claimed that he investigated his target.
Thus preempting the tracker.

I had a hunch on this and since D2 was nothing much other than Rafay, Samus i didn't nothing much to go on.
So i investigated Rafay.


Well, that's the best i can do.
Don't expect anything more.

Btw, can we get a vote count?

 

 

He didn't RC D2.  The rest of what you said after that just proves you're lying.  He didn't RC D2, it was D3, so you wouldn't know of such a "scenario" you just tried to lay out as a reason to use your cop ability.  That would make sense if he RC'd D2 that he jailed Kevin, but he didn't, he RC'd D3 that he jailed Kevin.  Your whole scenario you just made up for a reason to used your cop ability on cannot be possible because Rafay RC'd the same day he was lynched, D3, not D2.  

 

If you're going to lie, at least make sure your lies make sense.  I don't think you can keep track of all your contradictions and lies.  Sorry scum, jig is up

[KevinH]

Vote: Lord MK

If he knew Rafay was town, he didn't make any effort to save him.
The whole narrative seems inconsistent.
I will not be surprised if he flips Jester rather than scum, but either way, the game will continue.

My vote puts him at five.


Unofficial Vote Count
 

Lord MK (5): Brewersalliance, Darkfox, Canik v2, Rhizoctonia, KevinH

Atliis (1): SeaBeeGipson

Brewersalliance (1): Lord MK

Darkfox (0):

Ali bin Turban (0):  

Canik v.2 (Samus) (0):

Colonel Medved (0):

Jazzy95 (0):

KevinH (0):

Kitkat16 (0):

Lachiton (0):

Mandarijn (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

SeaBeeGipson (0):

Yehom (0):

 

No Lynch (0):

 

Not Voting: Ali bin Turban, Atliis, Colonel Medved, Jazzy95, Kitkat16, Lachiton, Mandarijn, Yehom

 
With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch or 4 at deadline.
Deadline is 1:00pm CST on Thursday, May 24th.

[Lachiton]

First and foremost, I never had any issues with MK, he can confirm! I will not be able to comment on previous games but this game whatever heat MK is getting is because of his never ending contradictions, and not because of any out of game issues they might have had.

 

Agree 100% with Rhizo. You are a bag full of contradictions and if you're town, then you're giving serious competition to Rafay in how he played this game.

 

Lets assume what you're claiming is correct. So lets go over your actions and what you did during the day.

D2 - You tracked Rafay N1 and he visited Kevin (confirmed by Rafay on D3). You were called out for saying you always vote for Rafay which was proven to be not the case always. Rafay randomly claims at the very end of the day that he has something to do with no kills.

 

D3 - You did a cop investigation on Rafay and found him not guilty. So he has to be town, according to your investigation as you tracked Rafay targeting Kevin the night before so he cant be godfather. Rafay is pressurized from the get go and he RC's as jailkeeper, which led brewers to jump on him. He even reveals he targeted Kevin, exactly as your tracker result on him. Yet you still let the lynch continue. You had already used up your most two powerful abilities, so what stopped you RCing right there and stop the lynch of a town. If you have shared the information, we would have not definitely lynched Rafay.

Last point you are RCing as JOAT with 1-shot tracker, cop and bulletproof combo. TW did say he took the roles from greater idea list and I cant see your role matching. Well as a mod he can definitely change them as he sees fit but my role matches exactly as listed there. Coupled that with al the contradictions and inconsistencies in your story, its safe to say you're lying.

I am not voting now as he already crossed the deadline lynch count.

As a reminder to all, pls dont end the day early. I will not be surprised if MK's scum buddies decides to throw him under the bus now and hammer him to end the day early.

[Rafay]

This made me laugh, how could you call us traitors when you gave us absolutely no proof that you were town (and lied about your role). Of course we would have thought you were scum, you didnt say anything that would have convinced us that you were actually town. 10/10 gamethrow of the year

 

Ride the high horse all you want. Fact of the matter is that none of you people have any reason to justify my lynch. My lynch reeks of racism and nothing more. You lost the best chance of winning the game when you lynched me. The town shot itself in the head. Congrats mafia once again!!!!

[brewersalliance]

This made me laugh, how could you call us traitors when you gave us absolutely no proof that you were town (and lied about your role). Of course we would have thought you were scum, you didnt say anything that would have convinced us that you were actually town. 10/10 gamethrow of the year

Ride the high horse all you want. Fact of the matter is that none of you people have any reason to justify my lynch. My lynch reeks of racism and nothing more. You lost the best chance of winning the game when you lynched me. The town shot itself in the head. Congrats mafia once again!!!!

Um. Racism?! What the fuck?!

None of us had any reason to Lynch you? The entire reason was you claimed jailor. I said you were not the jailor. And guess what? You were not the jailor

This made me laugh, how could you call us traitors when you gave us absolutely no proof that you were town (and lied about your role). Of course we would have thought you were scum, you didnt say anything that would have convinced us that you were actually town. 10/10 gamethrow of the year

Ride the high horse all you want. Fact of the matter is that none of you people have any reason to justify my lynch. My lynch reeks of racism and nothing more. You lost the best chance of winning the game when you lynched me. The town shot itself in the head. Congrats mafia once again!!!!

Um. Racism?! What the fuck?!

None of us had any reason to Lynch you? The entire reason was you claimed jailor. I said you were not the jailor. And guess what? You were not the jailor

[DarkFox]

I am keeping my vote on MK because he has seemed a bit off since the start but what I am interested in is why Attis was able to also confirm that Rafay was not the jailer. It seems odd to me that he would do that unless he really wanted for Rafay to be lynched and being as how Rafay ended up being town that puts up a red flag. Attis can you shed a little light please?

[Mandarijn]

fwiw, I believe you, MK. I'm sick of people who don't like you for out-of-game reasons constantly using this medium as an opportunity to have a go at you. It just turns into people pushing to lynch you every single game. My vote is remaining elsewhere (I haven't decided quite where yet, but it's certainly not on you.) As for the rest of you, will you just give it a rest...

So you're saying there's nothing suspicious about MK's behavior that makes him a possible scum?

Who do you think is scum then?

[Colonel Medved]

Ride the high horse all you want. Fact of the matter is that none of you people have any reason to justify my lynch. My lynch reeks of racism and nothing more. You lost the best chance of winning the game when you lynched me. The town shot itself in the head. Congrats mafia once again!!!!

 

We had all the reason, you lied about your role and didn't give any proof otherwise. Either you threw the game or you just don't know how mafia works. And to go as far as calling it racism is just absurd, what does race have to do with this?   

[KevinH]

Best chance of winning the game? Bodyguard?

 

I appreciate that I was protected but if I had been targeted then the bodyguard would have died instead.

It's certainly a useful role, especially when a cop has role-claimed, but I would not consider the loss of a bodyguard equal to the loss of the best chance to win.

[Yehom]

A few things before i get into the discussion. I really hope that people that have been killed or lynched in this game can refrain from posting here if the game is still going. It's in almost all cases unnecessary and ultimately distracting to town (racism, like wtf?). Whatever you say, it won't help town, unless you really disclose something that you didn't, but that's your fault for not putting it out there yourself during the time that you had when you were playing. And even if you do that, you ultimately will break the game which is probably the last thing you want to do unless you're really petty. I've seen it happen a couple times. The odd 'shit I'm dead post', I'm whatever about those but everything beyond that should be avoided for everybody's sake. 

 

Next point: I really hope that we can just please stop with second guessing ourselves every single time people get called out. Whether people are a Jester or not is absolutely the last possible thing that people should consider, it's time consuming, it's mind numbing and most of all it's just plain stupid

 

Now into the discussion:

MK was really flip floppy from D2 to D3. I was willing to hear his side of the story, but after hearing it I'll argue that he's trying to bullshit his way out of the mess he created. Like it's pretty damn convenient that he used most of his powers on Rafay, even though it was pretty clear that Rafay was a dead man walking. What's worse is that MK claims he had information that could prove Rafay's innocence, because clearly Rafay wasn't going to clean up his own mess, yet he first tries to push Rafay off the cliff first by 'calling him out' as he says. Town isn't really having that, yet come to the same conclusion. Only the next day he kind of makes an effort to defend Rafay, but nothing really concrete expect 'I think Rafay is town'. The actions you took during day don't even come close to reflecting on the actions you claimed to have taken during the night. And even the 'role claim' that you're throwing out there is just tiptoeing around things. Like if you played it badly, you can own up to that shit. You said you did action x during night y. That's fine as long as it's concrete, but what you're giving us right now is absolutely worthless which makes your claim unbelievable at best, scummy at worst. No one in their right mind would use the actions that you claimed you have the way you claim. Things are adding up too much as no new information has been provided, it's too convenient. 

[Canik]

Decepticons are all lazy criminals who can't drive. Nuke'em all, I say!

(Seriously tho, I don't even know your race Rafay nor do I care)

You & MK both need to understand you're just messing up. Lies/contradiction/backpedalling without clear reasons/vagueness in your defenses seem extremely suspicious. There is still suspicion towards AbT too for him saying a cupid targetted him then saying it just said he was made a lover. That's just the reality of the game and it's not gonna change. If you want to be suspected less you need to adjust your play and not make those mistakes. You can't expect everyone to just ignore it and give a permanent pass on you. What if you really are scum? Some games you surely will be.

 

[Lord MK]

Lol