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[TW-07] Pokemon Mafia - Town Wins

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Lord MK (7): Darkfox, KevinH, Lachiton, Kitkat16, Ali bin Turban, Mandarijn, Brewersalliance

Ali bin Turban (6): SeaBeeGipson, Rhizoctonia, Colonel Medved, Yehom, Canik v.2, Lord MK

Lachiton (1): Atliis

 

Not Voting: Jazzy95

 

Here are my thoughts. I'm not saying I'm convinced Ali's not scum and it would also be stupid if I'm scum to defend my scum partner like this...

But I think we can all agree that brewers, DarkFox, Seabee and Lachiton are confirmed townies? (Lach is the only one that I'm not 100% sure of, but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt at this moment) 

Seeing both wagons I think the scum were divided between both wagons as both were wagons on townies? There's of course also the possibility that KevinH, Kitkat16, Ali and then also Jazzy are the scum (assuming we have 4 and not 5 scum). Because I'm going to say this again: Jazzy hasn't voted on anyone yet all game, seems to me this could be a rookie scum who doesn't want to take any sides? He hasn't said much all game...

 

On the other wagon we also have 3 people who could be scum + Jazzy, but MK wasn't scum so chances are very slim that 3 scum were on the Ali wagon (assuming he's town, otherwise probably no or maybe 1 scum are on here?).

 

So my bet would be that Ali might be framed (not 100% convinced yet) and that scum would be on both wagons. But I'm curious to see what everyone else thinks. :)

 

In the end it seems Jazzy is most probably scum...


 

Honestly Jazzy has been a huge lurker all game. I cant find posts of him contributing that well either.  So for now lets do a hail Mary

 

lynch vote Jazzy

 

There have yet to be reasonably good choices, sans possibly AbT yesterday. I understand the desire to grasp at straws because this game quickly fell into shit, but let's maybe give people a chance to speak today before we throw completely random lynches.

 

You have been accused by a few people now. You're here, you have the chance to speak and defend yourself... So we're waiting.


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I have a better idea, though. Ali bin Turban is a jack-of-all-trades, which is common to be a scum role.

 

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Honestly Jazzy has been a huge lurker all game. I cant find posts of him contributing that well either.  So for now lets do a hail Mary

 

lynch vote Jazzy

 

There have yet to be reasonably good choices, sans possibly AbT yesterday. I understand the desire to grasp at straws because this game quickly fell into shit, but let's maybe give people a chance to speak today before we throw completely random lynches.

 

 

Rafay and MK appeared extremely guilty. You continued inaction is incredibly suspicious and far from grasping straws. The reason why lynching you would be a hail Mary is because others have been accused as scum. With that said you have been barely participating which is a valid strategy for scum since it doesn't draw attention to you. 


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I've not read all the posts yet.

I indeed shot Canik :(.

 

Since MK turned town and due to that all that time we've been lynching liars instead of scum, there was little info to go with. I decided to take a shot anyway because:

- If I didn't, town would 100% lynch two townies next day ( me and SBG).

- With several townies getting confirmed, blind shot to get scum was like 50%.

 

Well it didn't work out exactly as planned.


Ok that's not good, but something doesn't make sense. Can Ali confirm whether or not he used his power on Canik, because it just doesn't make sense to me if he did. Ali was so 'appalled' at Medved that it would make a lot more sense if he used his power on him (assuming that it's actually true that Ali is a Vig, which I'm really skeptical about right now). 

I was pointing at Medved due to his defense of MK. When MK turned out to be town, that argument became weak.



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I decided to shoot Canik because (in the light of MK turning town) there were no evidences pointing to anyone and Canik was suggesting the possibility of lynching Lachiton on the previous day. So in this find-the-scum lottery it seemed he got slightly higher chance to turn out as one of the bad guys.



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At this point there are 12 people in game, of which I'd say 4 are scum (5 would be breaking the 1:4 balance so I find it less possible) and in that case we have one misslynch left. However if there are 5 scum we're facing possible LYLO today.

 

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Lachiton

Darkfox

Ali bin Turban - technically it's true, that scum JOAT (who has kill ability) could RC as a Vig. However there are several issues:

          1. He would risk getting challenged by the real Vig, which is the role TW uses quite often too.

          2. Scum JOAT would use his shot as soon as possible and I believe, that every time TW made kill use constraint it was 3rd night.

          3. It would be hell of a coincidence for a scum JOAT to be put into a shot-or-get-lynched situation just on the night his action was unblocked.

          The simple answer is that I'm indeed a Vig, especially since noone has challenged that claim.

 

 

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Yehom

Colonel Medved

Jazzy95

KevinH

Kitkat16

Mandarijn

Rhizoctonia

 

We have 7 (8 for those who don't believe my claim) people we know nothing about. 4 (maybe 5 which is less possible) of them are scum. We really need to make the choice as little random as possible. That means, if there are helpful town PR's in that bunch (and they have some info to share) then, taking situation into consideration, I think they should RC, share the info and get out of the way of possible misslynch.


 

Honestly Jazzy has been a huge lurker all game. I cant find posts of him contributing that well either.  So for now lets do a hail Mary

 

lynch vote Jazzy

 

There have yet to be reasonably good choices, sans possibly AbT yesterday. I understand the desire to grasp at straws because this game quickly fell into shit, but let's maybe give people a chance to speak today before we throw completely random lynches.

 

So speak up. What do you have to say on the situation?



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At this point there are 12 people in game, of which I'd say 4 are scum (5 would be breaking the 1:4 balance so I find it less possible) and in that case we have one misslynch left. However if there are 5 scum we're facing possible LYLO today.

 

Confirmed town:

Brewersalliance

SeaBeeGipson

Lachiton

Darkfox

Ali bin Turban - technically it's true, that scum JOAT (who has kill ability) could RC as a Vig. However there are several issues:

          1. He would risk getting challenged by the real Vig, which is the role TW uses quite often too.

          2. Scum JOAT would use his shot as soon as possible and I believe, that every time TW made kill use constraint it was 3rd night.

          3. It would be hell of a coincidence for a scum JOAT to be put into a shot-or-get-lynched situation just on the night his action was unblocked.

          The simple answer is that I'm indeed a Vig, especially since noone has challenged that claim.

 

 

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Yehom

Colonel Medved

Jazzy95

KevinH

Kitkat16

Mandarijn

Rhizoctonia

 

We have 7 (8 for those who don't believe my claim) people we know nothing about. 4 (maybe 5 which is less possible) of them are scum. We really need to make the choice as little random as possible. That means, if there are helpful town PR's in that bunch (and they have some info to share) then, taking situation into consideration, I think they should RC, share the info and get out of the way of possible misslynch.


 

Honestly Jazzy has been a huge lurker all game. I cant find posts of him contributing that well either.  So for now lets do a hail Mary

 

lynch vote Jazzy

 

There have yet to be reasonably good choices, sans possibly AbT yesterday. I understand the desire to grasp at straws because this game quickly fell into shit, but let's maybe give people a chance to speak today before we throw completely random lynches.

 

So speak up. What do you have to say on the situation?

 

tbh I meant to let other people speak up in case someone did something useful at night (unlike me).

 

Rafay and MK appeared extremely guilty.

 

Alright, well I disagreed and my vote literally would've made no difference in either lynching.

 

Anyways, you realize my alleged strategy as scum this game had to have been to not vote for people I would've known were town, as to not draw attention to myself, even as there were massive trains on both lynched townies that I could have easily slipped into, therefore drawing attention to my inaction two days in a row. Why would I, on both days, express confusion over the hangings at all? Why not quietly vote for the townie in the lead? We all seem to agree that you couldn't hold anyone responsible for lynching Rafay, and a vote for MK or even AbT wouldn't have even raised an eyebrow considering his own nympho voted for him. 

 

So then the basis of your claim is that I'm just a bad IRON mafia player, which is fine... I guess? You're more than welcome to rate me as a bad mafia player after this game because I don't post often enough, but it'd be really depressing and stupid to watch you lynch me now.



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KevinH is pushing hard to say ABT has scum roles. If we Lynch ABT and he is town, it would basically be 100% game over.

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You said the shot was done on the night you were unblocked. Are you saying you have been trying to do your action other nights and they have been blocked? Because how else would you know you were blocked before and just so happened to finally be "unblocked" as you claim?


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Vote Count

 

KevinH (2): Kitkat16, Brewersalliance

Ali bin Turban (1): KevinH

Jazzy95 (1): Darkfox

Brewersalliance (0):

Colonel Medved (0):

Darkfox (0):

Kitkat16 (0):

Lachiton (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

SeaBeeGipson (0):

Yehom (0):

 

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Not Voting: Ali bin Turban, Colonel Medved, Jazzy95, Lachiton, Mandarijn, Rhizoctonia, SeaBeeGipson, Yehom

 

With 12 alive it takes 6 to lynch or 3 at deadline.

Deadline is 1:00pm CST on Thursday, June 7th.

 

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Anyways, you realize my alleged strategy as scum this game had to have been to not vote for people I would've known were town, as to not draw attention to myself, even as there were massive trains on both lynched townies that I could have easily slipped into, therefore drawing attention to my inaction two days in a row. Why would I, on both days, express confusion over the hangings at all? Why not quietly vote for the townie in the lead? We all seem to agree that you couldn't hold anyone responsible for lynching Rafay, and a vote for MK or even AbT wouldn't have even raised an eyebrow considering his own nympho voted for him.   

 

So then the basis of your claim is that I'm just a bad IRON mafia player, which is fine... I guess? You're more than welcome to rate me as a bad mafia player after this game because I don't post often enough, but it'd be really depressing and stupid to watch you lynch me now.

 

It isn't only that you don't vote, it's also that you have been keeping to yourself on most situations in the game so far. Saying practically nothing can be pretty suspicious towards the end of the game, especially since we haven't gotten one scum yet. Based on that i'm more inclined to believe that you would be scum at the time being. You don't have any information to help us?


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What are you doing?

 

You must be racist!

 

Worse, you must be MISANDROUS!

 

Even still worse, you are practicing AGEISM!

 

So what if I'm pale, male, and stale?  I have a right to play Mafia, too!

 

Reconsider your actions or I shall taunt you a second time.



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Alright, well I disagreed and my vote literally would've made no difference in either lynching.   Anyways, you realize my alleged strategy as scum this game had to have been to not vote for people I would've known were town, as to not draw attention to myself, even as there were massive trains on both lynched townies that I could have easily slipped into, therefore drawing attention to my inaction two days in a row. Why would I, on both days, express confusion over the hangings at all? Why not quietly vote for the townie in the lead? We all seem to agree that you couldn't hold anyone responsible for lynching Rafay, and a vote for MK or even AbT wouldn't have even raised an eyebrow considering his own nympho voted for him.    So then the basis of your claim is that I'm just a bad IRON mafia player, which is fine... I guess? You're more than welcome to rate me as a bad mafia player after this game because I don't post often enough, but it'd be really depressing and stupid to watch you lynch me now.
 

 

So you defense is if you were scum you would have lynched people? I argue that if you were town you would have lynched people. What was your reasoning for sitting back those days? Is there some reason why you have been acting so strange?


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KevinH (2): Kitkat16, Brewersalliance

 

What are you doing?

 

You must be racist!

 

Worse, you must be MISANDROUS!

 

Even still worse, you are practicing AGEISM!

 

So what if I'm pale, male, and stale?  I have a right to play Mafia, too!

 

Reconsider your actions or I shall taunt you a second time.

 

oh dang, you got me.  i should unvote then right? ;)



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Alright, well I disagreed and my vote literally would've made no difference in either lynching.   Anyways, you realize my alleged strategy as scum this game had to have been to not vote for people I would've known were town, as to not draw attention to myself, even as there were massive trains on both lynched townies that I could have easily slipped into, therefore drawing attention to my inaction two days in a row. Why would I, on both days, express confusion over the hangings at all? Why not quietly vote for the townie in the lead? We all seem to agree that you couldn't hold anyone responsible for lynching Rafay, and a vote for MK or even AbT wouldn't have even raised an eyebrow considering his own nympho voted for him.    So then the basis of your claim is that I'm just a bad IRON mafia player, which is fine... I guess? You're more than welcome to rate me as a bad mafia player after this game because I don't post often enough, but it'd be really depressing and stupid to watch you lynch me now.
 

 

So you defense is if you were scum you would have lynched people? I argue that if you were town you would have lynched people. What was your reasoning for sitting back those days? Is there some reason why you have been acting so strange?

 

 

 

 

Yea it's a pretty bad excuse.  You don't want to commit to a wagon, and you don't want to scum hunt and call people out.  The only way Town wins is to vote people to lynch, so yea, it's kinda important if you're a town player to do so, or at the very least, vote who you think is the most scummish.  Also saying your vote didn't matter is actually inaccurate when if say you voted for AbT yesterday, Brewers switching at the end would of ended it where MK and ABT had same votes, but with AbT reaching the number first, he would of been lynched, not MK.

Let alone, if AbT is town, then we had two town members with wagons.  Thus, you wouldn't want to be on the wagon that lynchs, especially considering your vote may have been the vote that mattered, so a lot easier to not partake in either wagon when either way they'd come up town.

I also don't get Brewers.  I very well agree with Kevin that there could be a JOAT scum role, considering we had a town role with it, and a lot of games I've played if there's a town JOAT, there's a scum JOAT.  I also have played a a scum JOAT (or maybe just was part of scum team, was awhile ago) where restrictions are put on that they can't use it until a certain day, think mine was N3.  Him bringing that up is actually something worth noting, and using their Vig ability last night to help AbT's story would be a smart move.  Also, from D2 the scum knew that there was a Nympho.   Once AbT came out that he was hit by what he thought was Cupid, scum knew it wasn't their action (cupid), so knew there were lovers/nympho, and yet he remains alive.  If AbT is scum, they obviously wouldn't want to target SbG or AbT to kill one of their own.  It's also obvious that scum have a RB, given atilis N3 action didn't go through.  They very well could of RB's atilis last night and took out 2 for 1, or hit someone else, since as long as they could keep RB atilis, he wasn't that much of a threat given he didn't really do much talking.  Brewers also back to allowing AbT to live further because of fear of losing 2 people, which has allowed him to continue since D2 on this fear

I'm also suspicious of Kevin, but not because of today.  Given that Kevin voted MK yesterday, and was pushing it seems an odd play for Kevin to do.  Playing as much as I have with Kevin, he would go for a confirmed scum by a cop over a suspected person, and/or Jester the way MK was playing.  I wish I could remember what game, but it seems etched in my head of Kevin even stating such, that the "town move" is to lynch someone who comes up guilty to a cop over anything else.  But yet he didn't do this, and this is very odd.

My main suspicion still lies with AbT.  Given that we have pretty much 4 confirmed townies, and me knowing I am town, making 5, I have a 4/7 shot likely to hit scum with the remaining (if there is 4 scum).

My top 5 suspects coming out of yesterday were AbT, Kevin, Canik, Jazzy and Mandarijn.  

A lot of this revolve around AbT though and what he comes up. 

 

AbT - Already been over, maybe I should of kept my pressure when his D2 reveal seemed off

Kevin - Suspicion because he didn't go with a cop confirmed guilty result, instead helped push other way.  Kinda looked like he was trying to keep AbT around 1 more day.  Given he came out today, swinging at AbT kinda throws me off.  Could be both scum, and he figured AbT was likely to be gone today that he wanted to make sure he was out ahead of anyone else on lynch.  Or AbT could be town and Kevin Scum, and pushing to lynch AbT and get 2 town. 

Canik - Thought could of been scum as he first seemed to want to help throw any pressure off AbT, and changed after I called him out about it.  Thought the quick change seemed like he didn't want to look suspicious if MK came up town since I already called him out on it.  He was killed last night and was town, so that takes him off.

Jazzy -  Already mentioned as well.  Not voting 2 times, not posting much, not much scum hunting.  Looked to want to avoid being apart of any wagon.

Mandarijn - Was a defender of AbT D2 when I was calling out AbT, again defended him yesterday and voted MK.  

That Leaves Yehom, Medved and Kitkat.  Need to look back through to get better idea.  They haven't stood out as much as others, but that's not to say they aren't scum.  Some been more quiet, so I need to look at that


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Anyways, you realize my alleged strategy as scum this game had to have been to not vote for people I would've known were town, as to not draw attention to myself, even as there were massive trains on both lynched townies that I could have easily slipped into, therefore drawing attention to my inaction two days in a row. Why would I, on both days, express confusion over the hangings at all? Why not quietly vote for the townie in the lead? We all seem to agree that you couldn't hold anyone responsible for lynching Rafay, and a vote for MK or even AbT wouldn't have even raised an eyebrow considering his own nympho voted for him.   

 

So then the basis of your claim is that I'm just a bad IRON mafia player, which is fine... I guess? You're more than welcome to rate me as a bad mafia player after this game because I don't post often enough, but it'd be really depressing and stupid to watch you lynch me now.

 

It isn't only that you don't vote, it's also that you have been keeping to yourself on most situations in the game so far. Saying practically nothing can be pretty suspicious towards the end of the game, especially since we haven't gotten one scum yet. Based on that i'm more inclined to believe that you would be scum at the time being. You don't have any information to help us?

 

 

 

Says the guy with 23 posts compared to 16 from Jazzy (about 1 more post then Jazzy per day).  You're #2 on the lowest post count, so not like you're blowing away anyone with your activity.  Where have you been not keeping to yourself, and/or pressuring people?  Most of your posts looking through have been exactly what you're trying to say Jazzy has been doing, the only thing you've done at least is committing to a wagon, but that's it 


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I still want to know what ABT meant by this:

 

It would be hell of a coincidence for a scum JOAT to be put into a shot-or-get-lynched situation just on the night his action was unblocked.
 

 

It seems to me ABT is saying he was blocked every single night and has been trying to use his kill every single night.  If this is the case, I am starting to think he is scum.  

A) this implies he has tried to use an action every night and each night it was blocked

 

B ) that means ABT was trying to kill someone every single night

 

C)  with so little suspects to go on, that seems very scummish to me



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Atliis claimed his night action was never sent, not that it was blocked.
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Atliis claimed his night action was never sent, not that it was blocked.

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You said the shot was done on the night you were unblocked. Are you saying you have been trying to do your action other nights and they have been blocked? Because how else would you know you were blocked before and just so happened to finally be "unblocked" as you claim?

Nope, I wasn't blocked and it wasn't about me.

 

I was referring to KevinH accusation and talking about hypothetical scum JOAT. Blocking in that case means that Mod does not allow to use certain action till certain nights (as far as I remember there were 2 cases when TW created scum JOAT with kill ability, but kill action couldn't be used till N3).



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Says the guy with 23 posts compared to 16 from Jazzy (about 1 more post then Jazzy per day).  You're #2 on the lowest post count, so not like you're blowing away anyone with your activity.  Where have you been not keeping to yourself, and/or pressuring people?  Most of your posts looking through have been exactly what you're trying to say Jazzy has been doing, the only thing you've done at least is committing to a wagon, but that's it 

 

I may have a small post count, but I've given my opinion on every situation in the game so far.  I get that his play style is to "sit quietly until he has something worth sharing", but its D5 now and we haven't gotten one scum yet. I'm exploring all options, which one is that a person who is being quiet the whole game could easily be scum flying under the radar (i have no proof of him being scum, just bringing up the possibility).


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