I haven't read the entire thread, but the gist of the current conversation seems to be protecting schools. My theory has always been better trained SROs. 

One SRO doesn't represent all of them (as one cop doesn't represent all cops), but there seems to be a huge problem wwith both SROs and Police being untrained for these situations. With how commonplace these are becoming, it seems training for these responses is a must. Timing is key, and these kids don't have to wait for a response force, SWAT, or another town/county's department.

A properly trained SRO should not have a problem with an emotionally-unstable, ill-trained, kid or young adult, with mom/dad's gun. The problem is, we don't have properly trained SROs. We have SROs, who are tasked with dealing with school fist fights, disruptions in the classroom, and standard things that prior to this point in history was the main problems an SRO was dealing with. I think it is time to add some sort of counter-response training to their plate. 

Do we need the degree that military gets? No, these SROs MIGHT in an unfortunate circumstance come across a lone, untrained teenager, not a heavily equipped military force. The degree of training should be something to just familiarize themselves with their school, understand how to move around there school to get from Point A to Point B as fast as possible, understanding where Point B is (where is the shooter), and neutralizing the nature Fight-Flight-Freeze aspect in them. As we seen in Florida, SROs are definitely susceptible to flight and freeze. These kids shouldn't have to put their faith in a SRO that doesn't have the proper training, and we shouldn't expect our SROs to respond like a SWAT unit without offering them the right tools to teach them.

That's my opinion, and I believe it could easily be implemented. I even brought it up to our city board and our elected Sheriff and they are really wanting to implement a training program for the local SROs here. Again, just my two cents.

I hear you SeaBee, but if a messed up kid that wants to kill a bunch of people gets a gun inside the school, they have already failed.

 

We will not solve the problems on the IRON forum, but I believe we live in a time where kids are growing up in a culture of no responsibility, low discipline, lack of respect for others, brutal social media, glorified violence, and an unfettered desire for instant gratification. We are failing the future, and I'm not saying all of them... it's just the small percentage that will sink the ship.

 

But would you agree that the root fr your given issue is PARENTS (and educators) and not CHILDREN?

 

And would like to add, said "small percentage" was probably always present, the media just makes it easier to hear about an incident happening more then 2 towns over.

 

I hear you SeaBee, but if a messed up kid that wants to kill a bunch of people gets a gun inside the school, they have already failed.

 

You wanna call failure on eac time shots are fired during a bank robbery?

 

 

But would you agree that the root fr your given issue is PARENTS (and educators) and not CHILDREN? And would like to add, said "small percentage" was probably always present, the media just makes it easier to hear about

Yes... and a very good point.

 

 

You wanna call failure on eac time shots are fired during a bank robbery?

People that steal don't want to shoot. They just want something and then they run. Not the same thing at all.

See, we can agree on stuff, we should blame parents before children on the childrens actions. (up until a point/age offcourse )

 

 

 

People that steal don't want to shoot. They just want something and then they run. Not the same thing at all.

 

People who want their grievances heard don't shoot either, you just can't consider that a 100% guarantee.

I haven't read the entire thread, but the gist of the current conversation seems to be protecting schools. My theory has always been better trained SROs. 

 

One SRO doesn't represent all of them (as one cop doesn't represent all cops), but there seems to be a huge problem wwith both SROs and Police being untrained for these situations. With how commonplace these are becoming, it seems training for these responses is a must. Timing is key, and these kids don't have to wait for a response force, SWAT, or another town/county's department.

 

A properly trained SRO should not have a problem with an emotionally-unstable, ill-trained, kid or young adult, with mom/dad's gun. The problem is, we don't have properly trained SROs. We have SROs, who are tasked with dealing with school fist fights, disruptions in the classroom, and standard things that prior to this point in history was the main problems an SRO was dealing with. I think it is time to add some sort of counter-response training to their plate. 

 

Do we need the degree that military gets? No, these SROs MIGHT in an unfortunate circumstance come across a lone, untrained teenager, not a heavily equipped military force. The degree of training should be something to just familiarize themselves with their school, understand how to move around there school to get from Point A to Point B as fast as possible, understanding where Point B is (where is the shooter), and neutralizing the nature Fight-Flight-Freeze aspect in them. As we seen in Florida, SROs are definitely susceptible to flight and freeze. These kids shouldn't have to put their faith in a SRO that doesn't have the proper training, and we shouldn't expect our SROs to respond like a SWAT unit without offering them the right tools to teach them.

 

That's my opinion, and I believe it could easily be implemented. I even brought it up to our city board and our elected Sheriff and they are really wanting to implement a training program for the local SROs here. Again, just my two cents.

Good thing rest of the planet has figured it out.

 

 

Point being, there is a more fundamental issue, SRO etcs are band-aid on an open wound.

Edited May 27, 20188 yr by Shahenshah