Well, I investigated TW on N1 and got "Not Guilty", and My second one was on brewers cause the town was adamant on him being investigated and I got nothing. 

If that is true, then I'm possibly an insane cop or along those lines.

 

If you can investigate, you're a town cop and my guilty result on you gives me a good idea of my sanity if this is true

Oh goody! The scum has come out to play.

 

Now, unlike how I mentioned that me going after Mandarijn wasn’t just me trying to take a townie with me, it is exactly the opposite for Mandarijn. He knows that I’ve got him at this point and won’t let go. So of course he votes for me. Taking me out first would be a win for him as a scum because it’s probably me or him now. If he goes first, the mafia loses a player without gaining anything in return. He knows the only “win” he can extract from this situation is to see me go first since then he at least managed to take a townie out with him.

 

So I’ll go ahead and ask for it. Since all townies are cops (granted they are different types of cop) it wouldn’t hurt for Mandarijn to post his nighttime results. So, let’s hear it mate. Who did you investigate on night 1 and night 2 and what were the results?

 

Also, please chime in on this situation everyone. If you are a townie you are invested in the outcome here. You are guaranteed to find a scum between Mandarijn and Myself (hint: it’s mandarijn) due to wolfpacks getting two different results. That is a 50/50 chance. Think logically through the arguments and ask yourself who you believe more.

 

And for the rest of the town, pay close attention to anyone who tries to avoid this particular conversation. This is exactly the type of argument that mafia like to avoid who aren’t under the gun.

It makes sense that if Wolfpacks had two different results, one is scum, one is town. I have to read back to see what about Brewers voting him. It could've been a lulz vote, or a hinted vote (like me voting Robert before I even claimed to have got a guilty on him).

 

Why wolfpacks is so adamant about his sanity is weird, as if he knows his sanity, which none of us do. 

I am 100% certain that Brewers vote on Mandarijn was serious and was only played off as a lolz vote when he knew that he wasn’t going to get the traction necessary to lynch Mandarijn yesterday. If you were a role cop (arguably the most important role in this game setup) and knew a scum on day 2 but also knew that you weren’t going to be able to convince enough people to vote for him that day, what would you do? Probably the same thing Brewers did. Play it off as lolz, hope the scum believed that it was just a lolz vote, and live to investigate another day.

 

Unfortunately Brewers was killed anyway that night. And why was he killed that night? Because the scum figured out the only way that Brewers could nearly “prove” his townieness. Only one role in this game could do that so early in the game — a role cop who had already investigated a scum and could hand him over to be lynched. Brewers struck gold with his investigation. The scum knew it and killed him before he could investigate further or officially make his case against Mandarijn today.

 

Brewers did the one thing that a good town power role would do with such damning evidence. He left a trail for the town in case he died. I picked up that trail and coupled it with Wolfpacks results, and my own knowledge that I am town and can now prove the alignments of wolfpacks, Mandarijn, and myself in addition to being able to tell the town what wolfpacks full role is. Even though wolfpacks is so sure that he is sane the funny thing about it is that the only two people who actually know his true insanity are myself and Mandarijn. Wolfpacks got guilty on me and I know I’m Town. Wolfpacks got a second different result of not guilty on Mandarijn (and he knows he’s scum) which only leaves two choices for wolfpacks’ role. Since I know I’m Town I also know that wolfpacks is insane which means Mandarijn is scum.

 

So what are the scenarios we’re facing now:

1) Lynch Mandarijn today. If he is scum (he is) then the town has killed 1/3 of the scum team. I will then die tonight because I will be the only confirmed townie in the game. The town then knows wolfpacks is also town going into day 3 and knows that he is insane moving forward so all of his results will be opposite of what they really are. The scum gets 1 kill for 1 after the night kill.

2) Lynch me today. I will be revealed as a town Publishing Cop and the mafia will have managed to take me out today and kill a second townie tonight before Mandarijn is lynched tomorrow. The scum gets 2 kills for 1 after I’m lynched and the night kill.

 

By the way if I am lynched today I guarantee you the night kill tonight will be wolfpacks. Wolfpacks will become the only other confirmed townie after my role is revealed and since it will be proven that he knows he is insane going forward, the town will know exactly how to interpret his results to their benefit. By lynching me today and the scum killing wolfpacks tonight, the town will be in no better position than we are today, there will not be any confirmed townies at that point, the town will be missing a vocal and active voice (me), and will be losing the real knowledge that wolfpacks’ results bring going forward.

 

The worst case scenario for town if I’m lying and you choose to Lynch Mandarijn today is that you will be down one person and can Lynch me tomorrow.

 

But the worst case scenario for town if Mandarijn is lying and you choose to Lynch me today is that you lose me and wolfpacks back to back and have nothing to work with moving forward other than knowing Mandarijn is scum then.

 

If Mandarijn is lynched today the scum will have to choose who to kill at night — me a confirmed townie, or wolfpacks a now 100% guaranteed insane cop. At least this way they don’t get both of us in one day/night. And whichever of us they don’t kill tonight will get to investigate and hopefully have something to share tomorrow.

Well, We need to figure out peoples sanity. only way we will learn is either by lynch or by mafia killing somebody we've investigated and we can only control one, who we actually lynch. 

 

If I am to follow Wolfpacks logic, I must believe TW is town. I wish we had more from Brewers, but its our best bet. 

 

It makes the most sense to at least try it, since we have nothing else to go on. The only way we will know is if we go down this path. 

 

Vote Mandarijn

 

I don't wish to lynch TW cause I believe he is town up to this point. I have my investigation on him, and we have Brewers vote from yesterday that points towards Mandarijn.  If he investigated him, he should of just said he is a role cop and found scum. But I don't see another option right now thats Viable. 

My only thing is we need to decide who to investigate tomorrow. If TW is Scum, then I'm getting the wrong result. 

Vote count: Day Thrice

1. Lord MK (0);
2. Colonel MedVed (2); Rafay, KitKat16
3. Brewersalliance Killed Night Two
4. Robert2424 (0);
5. The Warrior (2); Wolfpack, Mandarjin
6. SeaBeaGipson (0);
7. KevinH killed night one
8. Lachiton (0);
9. Rafay (1); Colonel Medved
10. Canik (0);
11. Mandarijn (2); The Warrior, Robert2424
12. KitKat16 (0);
13. Wolfpack (0);

14. No Lynch (0);

Not voting: Lachiton, Canik, Lord MK, SeaBeaGipson


With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch, or 4 at deadline.
Deadline is Saturday, July 7th , 2018 at 10:00 CN Time

@Robert - if you investigated me and found me to be town then I can guarantee you your result is correct. That means you are either a sane cop or naive cop.

 

Remind me again, who else did you investigate and what was the result?

Looking at the arguments, I tend to believe TW. It would not be wise play from scum to push for townie lynch this early and set himself up for lynch the next day.

So if TW is town then Wolfpacks is insane cop and therefore Mandy is scum.

 

Vote: Mandy

You guys are doing exactly what he wants and will cost the town their 1st mislynch... I don’t blame you as TW is very good with words (which I’m not ) and I probably would also believe him if I was an outsider and didn’t know he was the scum.

 

I’m on the train now, going to work and tonight Belgium is playing Brazil, so this might be my last post if I get lynched today. These were my results from the investigations I did (they don’t help much now, but if I get lynched and you all will know my sanity this might be helpfull):

N1: Kitkat16 (not guilty)

N2: also Brewers, so no result :-/

Looking at the arguments, I tend to believe TW. It would not be wise play from scum to push for townie lynch this early and set himself up for lynch the next day.

So if TW is town then Wolfpacks is insane cop and therefore Mandy is scum.

 

Vote: Mandy

The fact that someone always brings up that point is one of the strongest tools in scum's disposal.

Scum can do anything as far as i am concerned. The old norms just don't work anymore.

 

 

As Mandy pointed out, TW is a KevinH on steroids. Even if Mandy is town, TW can easily talk his way out of it.

 

 

So basically, lachiton is the one that needs to go. He is just trying to edge the discussion into Lynch stage

 

Vote: Lachiton

 

 

@mandy, good luck to belgium.

Hoping that they don't lose by much.

Viva Brazil

@Robert - if you investigated me and found me to be town then I can guarantee you your result is correct. That means you are either a sane cop or naive cop.

 

Remind me again, who else did you investigate and what was the result?

I investigated you N1. not guilty. Then I investigated brewers n2, with nothing as my result because the damn mafia decided to kill him. 

 

 

The fact that someone always brings up that point is one of the strongest tools in scum's disposal. Scum can do anything as far as i am concerned. The old norms just don't work anymore.

I see what you're saying. If the accepted meta is that scum won't push for a town lynch early and everyone assumes that makes that person town then scum can do that and no one will suspect. Still.. meta is meta for a reason. It's so risky for scum to make that play. If Mandy does flip town, there's a very good chance TW would be next.

So while I kinda feel you on that.. I'm going to take a leap of faith on TW for now. He's made the best arguments thus far IMO.

Vote: Mandarijn

 

I promise you that you won’t be disappointed in the outcome.

 

@MK - I don’t know Lachiton’s alignment at this point but I know that he is voting for a known scum right now. He may very well be trying to bus away from him but considering that he is only the third vote on Mandarijn when there are two others with two votes currently, i’m willing to give lachiton the benefit of the doubt. With three people having two votes each, and the outcome of the day uncertain still at that point, and him choosing to be the vote that puts Mandarijn ahead for the lynch is a town play in my eyes.

 

Looking at the arguments, I tend to believe TW. It would not be wise play from scum to push for townie lynch this early and set himself up for lynch the next day.

So if TW is town then Wolfpacks is insane cop and therefore Mandy is scum.

 

Vote: Mandy

The fact that someone always brings up that point is one of the strongest tools in scum's disposal.

Scum can do anything as far as i am concerned. The old norms just don't work anymore.

 

 

As Mandy pointed out, TW is a KevinH on steroids. Even if Mandy is town, TW can easily talk his way out of it.

 

 

So basically, lachiton is the one that needs to go. He is just trying to edge the discussion into Lynch stage

 

Vote: Lachiton

 

 

@mandy, good luck to belgium.

Hoping that they don't lose by much.

Viva Brazil

The discussion has been about TW vs Mandy, so its either believing one and voting for the other. I have no idea how TW plays as scum but what I have seen rarely pushes that hard for a lynch alone. We cant end this day on no lynch so I have decided to trust TW and vote Mandy. Dont care if he is KevinH on steroids. We have nailed Kevin twice when he was scum on hard evidences, we can do the sane for Tw if needed.

Your vote on me seems like a distraction with no supporting evidence. If Mandy turns out scum, we all need to take a good look on you.

The thing is there is no hard evidences this time.

It's all soft, after this TW-Mandy-WP scuffle.

TW says I'm 100% insane, how could he know, just like me he has no idea, what he does know is I'm town because all goons know who their brethren are, he also knows I have him sussed, I also think one of his friends has just shown his hand with his support for him, in books TW would be know as the flim flan man, a man who uses words to push people into his way of thinking. Once you mislynch Mandi TW will use his words again to lie and point the town in his way of thinking and from there is only one outcome goons win, if thats the course you wish to take then carry on, if not then vote TW.

TW says I'm 100% insane, how could he know, just like me he has no idea, what he does know is I'm town because all goons know who their brethren are, he also knows I have him sussed, I also think one of his friends has just shown his hand with his support for him, in books TW would be know as the flim flan man, a man who uses words to push people into his way of thinking. Once you mislynch Mandi TW will use his words again to lie and point the town in his way of thinking and from there is only one outcome goons win, if thats the course you wish to take then carry on, if not then vote TW.

You received two different investigation results so there are only two possibilities for your role: Sane Cop or Insane Cop. I am 100% sure that you're insane because I am 100% sure that I am town. I don't blame you for following your results but I am going to ask you why you are so certain that your investigation results are correct? You are ignoring the other circumstances at play here.

 

A now known SANE role cop investigated once in this game. That role cop voted for exactly one person after he investigated. That person was Mandarijn. Yes he eventually unvoted for Mandarijn before the day 2 deadline but what choice did he have? Brewers wasn't going to role claim unless he was forced to because he certainly wouldn't want to on day 2 just to be killed that night. There was no traction going for his vote. If he would have continued to push hard for Mandarijn and failed to lynch him he knew that he would be dead at night. It wasn't hard for anyone to figure out what role Brewers was hinting at having. There was really only one possibility. So Brewers did the only thing he could do to try to make sure that he lived another day. He unvoted and tried to play it off as a joke so the mafia might leave him alone another night. They didn't. Thankfully the town already got all the information we needed regarding Mandarijn from Brewers actions, his revealed role, and your investigation results.

 

I want you to take a step back one more time and honestly think about this. What do I possibly gain from going after Mandarijn so hard if I am scum? It makes ZERO sense. A 1-for-1 trade off is a TERRIBLE move for scum to make this early in the game. If I was scum why the heck would I be drawing this much attention to myself unprovoked? I could have stayed quiet like half the game's players are right now and no one would have been any the wiser. I made my initial case against Mandarijn based off of known information (Brewers was a role cop and voted for one person the day after investigating). Why are you so certain that your results are accurate with no other proof but yet you completely ignore this piece of the puzzle that is on the table in front of you? Mafia is a jigsaw puzzle. You have to bring together multiple pieces of the puzzle to see the picture take shape. It's hard to see the picture when you're only looking at one piece.

After all the commotion around this TW vs Mandy situation, i feel that i should put my vote into use rather than wasting it on there being no result. I want to believe that TW is town, and he knows that if mandy turned out to be town, then it would be game over for him after all the pushing he did to get him lynched. 

 

Unvote

 

Vote: Mandarijn

Deadline is tomorrow. If the town does the right thing and lynches Mandarijn today then either Wolfpacks or myself will be killed tonight. In case it's me that is killed I will even go through all the trouble of compiling my thoughts and currently known investigation results so that the town has an easy post to reference going forward.

 

Town

1) KevinH (Paranoid Cop) - Killed night 1.

2) Brewersalliance (Role Cop) - Killed night 2. Voted for Mandarijn on day 2 after doing his only investigation.

3) The Warrior (Publishing Cop) - Investigated KevinH night 1. Investigated Brewersalliance night 2. Pushed for scum Mandarijn's lynch based off of Brewers role/vote, Wolfpacks results, and knowledge of his own role.

4) Wolfpacks (Insane Cop) - Investigated Mandarijn on day 1 and received "Not Guilty" result. Investigated The Warrior on day 2 and received "Guilty" result. Results are opposite due to insanity.

 

 

Leaning Town (But not confirmed)

1) Robert2424 (Sane Cop or Naïve Cop) - Investigated TW night 1 and received "Not Guilty" result. Investigated Brewers night 2. Placed the 2nd vote on scum Mandarijn.

2) Lachiton - Placed the 3rd vote on scum Mandarijn that put Mandarijn ahead of two others in the lynch order when the lynch could go any way. Needs more investigation.

3) Lord MK (Sane Cop or Naïve Cop) - Claims to have investigated Wolfpacks and received a "Not Guilty" result. Wolfpacks is town so MK can only be Sane or Naïve if he's a cop. Needs more investigation results. The one big strike against him is that he voted for Lachiton after Lachiton voted for Mandarijn. Could be an attempt to divert attention from Mandarijn.

 

Neutral

1) Canik (Sane Cop or Naïve Cop?) - Claims to have investigated Rafay and received a "Not Guilty" result. Needs more investigation. Placed the 4th vote on scum Mandarijn.

2) Rafay - Claims to have investigated KevinH night 1 and Brewersalliance night 2. Needs more investigation. Voted for Colonel MedVed.

3) Colonel MedVed (Insane Cop or Paranoid Cop) - Claims to have investigated Brewers night 1 and received "Guilty". Investigated Rafay on night 2 and received "Guilty". Due to his "Guilty" result on Brewers a known townie he can only be Insane or Paranoid. If he's paranoid then his results are worthless. If he's insane it means that Rafay is Town which also could mean that Canik is a Sane Cop. Placed 5th vote on scum Mandarijn.
4) SeaBeeGipson - Claims to have investigated Robert on night 1 and received "Guilty". Forgot to investigate on night 2. Needs more investigation.

5) KitKat16 - See Mandarijn's description below. Could be town because of that but has not posted any investigation results. Needs more investigation.

 

Scum

1) Mandarijn - Received a "Not Guilty" result by an Insane Cop. Voted to lynch TW after TW made case against him. Claims to have investigated KitKat on night 1 and received a "Not Guilty" result. Mandarijn is scum so he has no investigation powers. The only way he would know KitKat is "not guilty" is that he is scum and knows that KitKat is town. This could be an attempt at trying to set up a possible scum as town for the long game but I think it's more likely that Mandarijn picked someone that he knew was town to try to get town cred with at least one townie.

 

 

I think that's everything but it is a lot of information and I could have missed something. Please let me know if I did. At this point the only people who have not posted any investigation results at all are Lachiton and KitKat.

 

I have Lachiton listed in the "leaning town" category because he at least placed the third vote on Mandarijn but he needs to be investigated more too.

 

KitKat could be town or scum so I am neutral on him. The interesting thing about him is Mandarijn listed him as "not guilty" in his fake investigation result. This could be Mandarijn's attempt to bus KitKat away or he could have actually picked someone that he knows is town to try and get some town cred in his favor. KitKat only has 3 posts all game though. He needs to post more in general.

 

@Lachiton @KitKat - What investigative results have you gotten so far? Please post them.

There are now 5 votes on Mandarijn and deadline is tomorrow. In case I am killed tonight I think the following needs to happen moving forward:

 

1. Push for daily investigation results from EVERYONE. There is no reason to hide results. All town are cops. The mafia cannot kill all of us each day. It is vital that all information is known so that the town can continue to have as much at their disposal as possible to make decisions. Forcing everyone to reveal their results will also put the pressure on the remaining scum to lie and have to fabricate results. They will either screw up or all of their results will just mimic someone else's already posted results which could help town weed them out.
2. Investigate anyone who only has one result on them so far especially if your sanity/full role becomes known to you. Multiple results will help verify identities.
3. Remember your sanities once they are known! Let's not make any mistakes based off of inaccurate results.
4. Post your full list of night actions as soon as each day starts. This will keep the information fresh in everyone's minds and allow you to easily update your list with the previous night's investigation results.

 

 

TW says I'm 100% insane, how could he know, just like me he has no idea, what he does know is I'm town because all goons know who their brethren are, he also knows I have him sussed, I also think one of his friends has just shown his hand with his support for him, in books TW would be know as the flim flan man, a man who uses words to push people into his way of thinking. Once you mislynch Mandi TW will use his words again to lie and point the town in his way of thinking and from there is only one outcome goons win, if thats the course you wish to take then carry on, if not then vote TW.

I want you to take a step back one more time and honestly think about this. What do I possibly gain from going after Mandarijn so hard if I am scum? It makes ZERO sense. A 1-for-1 trade off is a TERRIBLE move for scum to make this early in the game. If I was scum why the heck would I be drawing this much attention to myself unprovoked? I could have stayed quiet like half the game's players are right now and no one would have been any the wiser. I made my initial case against Mandarijn based off of known information (Brewers was a role cop and voted for one person the day after investigating). Why are you so certain that your results are accurate with no other proof but yet you completely ignore this piece of the puzzle that is on the table in front of you? Mafia is a jigsaw puzzle. You have to bring together multiple pieces of the puzzle to see the picture take shape. It's hard to see the picture when you're only looking at one piece.

The thing is you didn’t push anything hard at all UNTILL Wolfpacks posted his results. Before that you made a case around a lolz vote in 1 post and didn’t do anything after that with this...

 

But it seems the town is pretty determined to lynch me as TW can be very convincing and again I don’t blame you guys. But I hope he won’t be able to convince you tomorrow to not lynch him as that would be the end for the town...

I won't have to convince anyone to not lynch me tomorrow. When you come up as scum tonight it will confirm me as town through Wolfpacks first two investigation results but you already know that.

Vote count: Day Thrice

1. Lord MK (0);
2. Colonel MedVed (2); Rafay, KitKat16
3. Brewersalliance Killed Night Two
4. Robert2424 (0);
5. The Warrior (2); Wolfpack, Mandarjin
6. SeaBeaGipson (0);
7. KevinH killed night one
8. Lachiton (0);
9. Rafay (0);
10. Canik (0);
11. Mandarijn (6); The Warrior, Robert2424, Lachiton, Lord MK, Canik, Colonel Medved
12. KitKat16 (0);
13. Wolfpack (0);

14. No Lynch (0);

Not voting: SeaBeaGipson


With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch, or 4 at deadline.
Deadline is Saturday, July 7th , 2018 at 10:00 CN Time

 

The Day has ended

Mandi, a Mafia Goon, has been lynched.

It's now night three, please submit all your night action by Sunday, July 8th 23:00 CN Time.

During the night

 

The Warrior, Dirty Harry Calahan, a Publishing Cop, was not feeling the luck, and was killed

Lachiton, Moses Hightower, was also killed during the night.

 

 

Kitkat was replaced by Jazzy

 

It's now Day 4

 

Vote count: Day Four-o
1. Lord MK (0);
2. Colonel MedVed (0);
3. Brewersalliance Killed Night Two
4. Robert2424 (0);
5. The Warrior Killed night three
6. SeaBeaGipson (0);
7. KevinH killed night one
8. Lachiton killed night three
9. Rafay (0);
10. Canik (0);
11. Mandarijn Lynched Day three
12. KitKat16 Jazzy95 (0);
13. Wolfpack (0);

14. No Lynch (0);

Not voting: SeaBeaGipson, Robert2424, Lord MK, Canik, Colonel Medved, Wolfpack, Rafay, Jazzy95


With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch, or 3 at deadline.
Deadline is Saturday, July 14th , 2018 at 10:00 CN Time

Damn.

There's a crisis, guys.

Screw mafia, those pesky goons   

Town, get dem boys