I'm actually surprised that he got any guilty verdict considering that there are Republican judges everywhere.

 

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/paul-manafort-guilty-8-charges-mistrial-declared-remaining-10-205452870.html

I'm actually surprised that he got any guilty verdict considering that there are Republican judges everywhere.

 

what is wrong with republican judges?!  if anything its the liberal activist judges that are ruining our judicial system

and the jury reaches the verdict, not the judge 

While looking for collusion for a long time. The government gets distracted over someone not paying their taxes.

Manafort's current (who knows what else will hit him) trial was about pre-Trump era shenanigans.

 

I see alot of Trump supporters being surprised about lawenforcement hitting illegalities they find. Like going into a house on theft charges but ignoring the 5 pounds of coke on the table and just leaving...

as a conservative, I completely support this conviction.  He is guilty, beyond all doubt and should be in jail.  As for liberals claiming this is some kind of victory of trump, that is ridiculous.  this has nothing to do with trump

12 years ago, Paul Manafort made a bundle out of the country. He didn't want to pay the taxes when he brought it in. So, he did a lot of illegal shit. Rod Rosenstein himself, passed on prosecuting him for it years ago. But, Donald Trump won, and a runaway prosecutor wanted to use it against him. They will twist the screws on this guy until he agrees to say what they want him to say in a plea deal. Sounds exactly like what happened to Michael Cohen... oh yeah... it is.

I am not a fan of Trump but as someone who pays their taxes I take a sadistic joy in seeing someone who tries to avoid paying them getting busted.

 

Also queue the Trump people saying that he will lie about Trump to get out of trouble and how scummy Manafort is and how they knew all along, yet hired him... Maybe he will lie under oath about Trump but it seems really strange that they guy who said he would drain the swamp has so many people committing crimes around him. Smoke doesn't mean fire though it means water obviously.

I feel the same way about the taxes... better to pay them than to resort to crime. What I would like to see is equal treatment under the law. Some people get the book thrown at them, when others are ignored for the same thing, or worse.

 

Pick any billionaire, and open an investigation on them and everyone they have done business with... guaranteed you will find crime.

Wonder when the RNC will wake up, this is the second guy they got from the campaign that they made a deputy treasurer of the RNC and has now admitted to financial fraud. Who's running the HR department of the RNC?

 

 

Pick any billionaire, and open an investigation on them and everyone they have done business with... guaranteed you will find crime.

 

Then don't pick a billionaire thinking he will right ship by reshaping the gov into a company. They even got him getting his Mar-a-Lago buddies advising/running the VA. Machiavelli would be applauding this case study on his book.

 

 

Pick any billionaire, and open an investigation on them and everyone they have done business with... guaranteed you will find crime.

 

 

As Onbekende mentioned, perhaps we shouldn't have billionaires in public office then.

 

 

perhaps we shouldn't have billionaires in public office then.

Then we're just stuck with the ones that get rich committing crime in their public office, while doing nothing. I would rather elect a billionaire that doesn't need the money, and does what he promised he would do.

Let us know when that happens then

2017, and 2018 is the closest example of that.

Billionaire is questionable. 

 

Trump has taken more trips to Margo Largo to golf than he has kept promises 

 

perhaps we shouldn't have billionaires in public office then.

Then we're just stuck with the ones that get rich committing crime in their public office, while doing nothing. I would rather elect a billionaire that doesn't need the money, and does what he promised he would do.

 

 

They got rich by coveting money in the first place, why would that suddenly stop? Is this one of those US money fairy tales like trickle down economics?

 

 

Then we're just stuck with the ones that get rich committing crime in their public office, while doing nothing. I would rather elect a billionaire that doesn't need the money, and does what he promised he would do.

 

 

It is a pity we cant make some sort of rules against that and make it so public servants have to have their financials public and such, we could call them laws and when people break them we can have them go to jail and lose all the money they gained by breaking the laws. Then only people who are interested in improving the country and helping its people will run for office. Unless of course there isn't proper oversight.

 

 

It is a pity we cant make some sort of rules against that and make it so public servants have to have their financials public and such, we could call them laws and when people break them we can have them go to jail and lose all the money they gained by breaking the laws. Then only people who are interested in improving the country and helping its people will run for office. Unless of course there isn't proper oversight.

It would be very hard. Congress has unfettered knowledge about a multitude of Stocks, Real Estate, and Legislation changes that just knowing what's coming gives them the ability to just make money hand over fist, they have made themselves virtually immune to the same laws as the rest of us, and it would take legislation to change that... and guess who writes the laws?

 

Talk about a rigged system. 

 

 

Talk about a rigged system. 

 

yeah...  

It would be very hard. Congress has unfettered knowledge about a multitude of Stocks, Real Estate, and Legislation changes that just knowing what's coming gives them the ability to just make money hand over fist, they have made themselves virtually immune to the same laws as the rest of us, and it would take legislation to change that... and guess who writes the laws?

 

Talk about a rigged system. 

Insider trading at its finest.

Oh yeah, If Trump sent out a tweet calling for Congress to draw up legislation to revoke their insider trading immunities, I believe it would take about a New York second for a super majority of Democrats and Republicans to call Mike Pence to tell him to prepare to take office, and the Donald would be impeached within the week on Trumped up charges. It's their gravy train. How could Harry Reid afford a suite at the DC Ritz-Carlton on a Senators salary? He lived there for years.

I guess Chris Collins forgot to invoke this magically "insider trading immunity".

 

In Belgium they recently (read 3y, I think) started asking any politician with a gov seat (lowest being town mayor) to disclose any job (salaried or not) they have BESIDES there political job. Sadly thusfar it is still public shaming (which works) when they either forget or are found to be mooching just a tad to much, but it is something I guess. Also we have a party going for de-cumul, aka 1 person => 1 job, others want to make it kinda restrictive but not total (basically no to a minister + X, but yes to a senator + local parish counclir).

 

 

I guess Chris Collins forgot to invoke this magically "insider trading immunity".

Chris Collins used his position as a Board Member of the company to alert his son that he was soon to lose his fortune... information a Congressman would not receive. His immunities do not apply here. Once again, you keep taking careful aim, but your pistol just shoots blanks. For the record, given the same choice, I would have done the same thing. Collins had a higher priority to protect his son from financial disaster. I respect that.

 

Since the recent attacks on my wife, I have a new policy to not feed the trolls. I just couldn't help myself to correct you once again.

You said immunity, you didn't discuss where they got the info from in the first place. And do they really have such immunity or is this rather a "politicians can do X" statement? Genuine curiosity.

 

Aren't board members in the US in general prohibited from both divulging and acting on insider knowledge they might receive prior to public acknowledgement? Offcourse I see the desire to act before you or someone close loses money, still the rule got placed there for reasons.

You said immunity, you didn't discuss where they got the info from in the first place. And do they really have such immunity or is this rather a "politicians can do X" statement? Genuine curiosity.

 

Aren't board members in the US in general prohibited from both divulging and acting on insider knowledge they might receive prior to public acknowledgement? Offcourse I see the desire to act before you or someone close loses money, still the rule got placed there for reasons.

Every time the Securities and Exchange Commission tries to do anything to anyone in Congress they are halted immediately, saying their employees are "absolutely immune" from having to comply with subpoenas from the SEC. There are laws in place, they really shouldn't use the information to make money, many have refused to, many can't help themselves... but nothing can ever be done to them. There is no mechanism that can get through to punish any of them.

That is immunity by being a congress member...