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[BA-02] A Clash of Kings Mafia- TOWN, JESTER AND SURVIVOR WINS


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I agree that Robert being fixated on the jester role was unhelpful and sort of weird. I was pissed when MK flipped jester, especially before I saw that the game was continuing. If that would have ended the game I would have chewed Brewers out big time. Having said that, what's done is done. We can't change it so we shouldn't be fixated on it anymore. We have scum to find. Robert's issue with the jester shouldn't have continued as long as it did imo so I did view that as sort of scummy. For this reason I can't really fault Kverst for his vote. However, as noted by others I find the timing to be sort of suspect. It came 21 hours later immediately after 2 votes were placed on Robert. I can't speak for Kverst's time when being able to check the game and post so it may be true that he just couldn't post until then but to do so immediately after two people had just voted for Robert makes it look incredibly convenient for him if he is scum looking for a lynch.

 

His vote on Robert is a contributing factor, but you never even addressed or posted thoughts on his past actions... He was initially the 6th vote on iSoc, yet today claimed that he assumed it would be a trial by combat. Reference bottom of page 6: https://ironcentral.org/community/topic/62585-ba-02-a-clash-of-kings-mafia-day-3/page-6

Because two players unvoted, the final count makes it appear as if he was the fourth vote, and thus just pushing a combat trial. When you look at the actual thread, the story is different. I find it very reasonable that as a scum member he saw the quote I posted and used the most readily excuse available, forgetting the actual context of his vote. Here's the post itself:

 

 

sig fixed (though not opposed to the joke). From what people are saying, iSoc seems to be acting a little...off. As we do need someone to be voted up...

 

unvote

vote iSoc

 

 

On page 7 you can then see:

 

 

"With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch or 5 at deadline.  Deadline is Monday, Jan 7th and 3:00 PM CN time."

The goal should be to put someone at 4 or less votes so they go to trial by combat.

By my count, it's

iSocialism (6): The Warrior, Robert2424, nadarr, Lachiton, Sister Midnight, Kverst

 

Strong FoS: Sister Midnight, Kverst
... for putting iSocialism into the lynch range rather than trial by combat.

Weak FoS: The Warrior, Robert2424, nadarr, Lachiton
... for not unvoting yet.

There's time left, but I know a scum would rather have lynch than a trial by combat.

 

 

This was met by Nadarr and SM both unvoting before MK ended the day and caused the lynch.

 

Now fast forward to today where we hear:

 

@LordSunday I don't know what pattern you're referring to. If it's the timing of my posts, I cannot help what time and who posts before I am able to get on and post. Also, I wasn't hopping onto any wagons that were undoubtedly going to result in a lynch (iSoc was supposed to go to trial by combat, and I made it clear that I didn't like what MK did) or that I would have hammered through. Then are you saying I shouldn't use my vote?

 

With all the information, it's obvious that this post was a blatant lie. iSoc was already in a position to be lynched when Kverst placed his vote on D1, yet it appeared that he didn't by the end of day due to other players unvoting.

 

The reasoning and excuses don't match what was posted, and to me rings as some super scummy behavior not keeping a story straight.

 

I'm not discounting Robert's deflection of actual scum hunting as suspicious, but it almost seems that we're getting more hung up on someone pissed about a jester than someone with scum tracks written all across the board.


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I didn't comment on the rest of that because I admit I didn't read back further than the action of the last two days. I was simply sharing thoughts on all of that in particular. As a part of the greater picture I agree with you that it looks even worse.

 

We are already past the supposed extended deadline today and Kverst seems to be the best choice right now. Best case scenario we hit scum. Worst case scenario we will end up lynching a claimed VT. If he flips town I'm going to want to hear more from KevinH and Robert tomorrow.

 

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Catlelyn Stark nodded.

 

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Jazzy (0)

KevinH (1) Wolfpacks

Kvrest (4) LordSunday, Rhizoctonia, Yehom, The Warrior

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Rhizoctonia (0)

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The Warrior (0) 

Wolfpacks (0)

Yehom (0)

 

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With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch or 4 at deadline.  Deadline is Monday, Jan 22th at 12:00 PM CN time.

 

 

Kvrest (4) LordSunday, Rhizoctonia, Yehom, The Warrior

 

Kverst, Rhaegal (Vanillia Townie) was lynched D3.

 

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"What kind of fire can melts stone?"  She asked

 

'Dragon fire," Gendry replied

 

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KevinH, Xaro Xhoan Daxos, a Jack of All Trades, and Member of the Essos Mafia died N3

 

 

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Wolfpacks, Illyn Payne, a Town Jailer died N3

KevinH, Xaro Xhoan Daxos, a Jack of All Trades, and Member of the Essos Mafia died N3

 

Losing Wolfpacks hurts.

 

Although, the two deaths last night help validate earlier thoughts:

 

  1. Wolfpacks character (Illyn Payne) was specifically associated with the Lannisters. He was the royal executioner. So we have more proof that a Lannister associated character is TOWN in this game. Most likely all Lannister associated characters will be town.
  2. Kevin's death validates my thought about the mafia factions and potentially validates the theory further that character names matter in this game.

 

To remind you of my earlier thought when Velocity died:

 

 

 

Velocity, Davos Seaworth(Cop) and member of the Westerosi Mafia Died N1

 

This is particularly noteworthy to me. Velocity's role specifically says a member of the "Westerosi" mafia. I don't think that this would be specified like this unless there was a second mafia faction.. perhaps an "Essos" mafia faction? The fact that Velocity was a scum Cop also hints that there is in fact two scum factions.

 

We now have confirmation that there is indeed two mafia factions and they are the Westerosi mafia and Essos mafia. Kevin's character, Xaro Xhoan Daxos, was a merchant in Qarth (which is located in Essos).

 

With 18 players in the game, traditional game balance suggests there would be between 4 and 5 total scum players. It is most likely that each of the two mafia factions has 2 members each. We have now killed 1 of each of them. And with a third kill on one of the nights we know that another killing role is present. In my opinion it is almost certainly a scum killing ability as opposed to a town ability. It is most likely a serial killer but could be a scum vigilante I suppose. It's interesting that there has only been 3 kills one time but I think that can probably be attributed to town power roles preventing kills or a role modifier of some sort.

 

I think we have 3 scum left total: 1 Westerosi Mafia member, 1 Essos Mafia member, and 1 SK/Scum Vig.

 

I'm glad that we got Kevin last night. He was starting to look suspicious yesterday and he was going to be one of my prime suspects today since Kverst flipped town as I noted here:

 

I didn't comment on the rest of that because I admit I didn't read back further than the action of the last two days. I was simply sharing thoughts on all of that in particular. As a part of the greater picture I agree with you that it looks even worse.

 

We are already past the supposed extended deadline today and Kverst seems to be the best choice right now. Best case scenario we hit scum. Worst case scenario we will end up lynching a claimed VT. If he flips town I'm going to want to hear more from KevinH and Robert tomorrow.

 

Vote: Kverst 

 

The next question I have is about Robert. Robert's wagon took off before ultimately being outstripped by Kverst (which Robert hopped on). Robert did back off after Kverst's name claim. That's all fine and good but I have to wonder why the name itself caused that. Robert claims to not know anything about GoT lore so even checking the wiki on Kverst's character name wouldn't really mean much to him. Robert even went as far as saying that the VT claim seemed off but then unvoted for Kverst anyway:

 

I'm not Familiar with GoT lore, I was starting to get into in last game because I had an awesome character. 

 

With 2 scum factions suspected, I have to imagine more then average power roles. His name gives me pause. His Claim of a VT seems off though. 

 

https://gameofthrones.fandom.com/wiki/Rhaegal

 

Found that pretty easy. 

 

The Claim makes me uneasy to say the least. I don't know how to take it. 


actually, for the name, I have to pull my vote. 

 

UNVOTE

 

@Robert - With no real GoT knowledge, what exactly about the name claim by Kverst made you change your mind if you still were uneasy about his actual role claimed (VT)?


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OH NO! NOT WOLFPACKS!

 

You beat me to it this time around lol

 

Losing our Jailer hurts, hopefully someone found something useful last night. Or we will just have a repeat of yesterday :(


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Sorry I have been posting so little guys. I feel much better today and will hopefully stay that way.

 

Losing our jailer is a big loss, but at least now we have confirmed there are 2 mafia factions.

 

I do call bullshit on Illian Payne being town though. Come on brewers, he chopped off Ned Stark's head!!!


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With 18 players in the game, traditional game balance suggests there would be between 4 and 5 total scum players. It is most likely that each of the two mafia factions has 2 members each. We have now killed 1 of each of them. And with a third kill on one of the nights we know that another killing role is present. In my opinion it is almost certainly a scum killing ability as opposed to a town ability. It is most likely a serial killer but could be a scum vigilante I suppose. It's interesting that there has only been 3 kills one time but I think that can probably be attributed to town power roles preventing kills or a role modifier of some sort.

 

I think we have 3 scum left total: 1 Westerosi Mafia member, 1 Essos Mafia member, and 1 SK/Scum Vig.

 

The next question I have is about Robert. Robert's wagon took off before ultimately being outstripped by Kverst (which Robert hopped on). Robert did back off after Kverst's name claim. That's all fine and good but I have to wonder why the name itself caused that. Robert claims to not know anything about GoT lore so even checking the wiki on Kverst's character name wouldn't really mean much to him. Robert even went as far as saying that the VT claim seemed off but then unvoted for Kverst anyway:

 

I'm also curious about this. I legitimately have no understanding of game of thrones, and have never read a page or saw an episode. After seeing the claim that the name of a dragon was a VT, it made me think even more that it was a bogus claim. I definitely would like to see a little bit of explanation here


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I will also re-iterate my earlier request. IF you role claim, for whatever reason, please include your character name. Failure to do so will make you look incredibly scummy to me.


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I will also re-iterate my earlier request. IF you role claim, for whatever reason, please include your character name. Failure to do so will make you look incredibly scummy to me.

 

I'll show you mine if you show me yours ;) :lol:

 

In all seriousness, any names will be fiercely typed into the Game of Thrones wiki lol


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@TW, maybe I figured his name was genuine and likely. There are 3 dragons.
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@TW, maybe I figured his name was genuine and likely. There are 3 dragons.

I understand that. It's not the name itself that concerns me here. I'm more wondering why you said in the very same post that the name gave you pause but the role claim itself seemed off to you and then still chose to unvote.

 

What about the name caused you to overrule your concerns with his claimed role?


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Kevin's death though is interesting. He was trying to seed that somebody was scum off mk wagon. It could be said he was scum hunting as there are 2 mafia factions. However. I imagine both factions have an investigation role of some sort. Do they still have one for each side or different abilities.

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TW, the writing is on the wall. I'm honestly surprised I wasn't nk'd last night. The reason I unvoted was his name. I believe firmly that all three dragons are here. Or for sure 2.

I'm one of said dragons. Hince my unvote.

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I had a feeling that might have been the case. If one dragon was a VT, they probably all are.

 

Kevin's death though is interesting. He was trying to seed that somebody was scum off mk wagon. It could be said he was scum hunting as there are 2 mafia factions. However. I imagine both factions have an investigation role of some sort. Do they still have one for each side or different abilities.

We know that the Westerosi mafia faction had a cop (Velocity). I think that it is perfectly reasonable to assume that the Essos mafia faction (Kevin's faction) does as well which would mean that the other scum cop is still alive looking for another mafia member. Since Kevin was a scum JOAT, the other faction may even have a scum JOAT as well which would balance the two scum teams with one another.


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