Not really. I'd rather do it all at once

Honestly I'm confused by your strategy. With the lack of information this day, and how weirdly you are acting. I feel like I don't have any other choice than to vote you.

 

Vote: Robert2424

 

I tried being nice. Your vote just says your role digging. 

 

 

You being nice or not, your actions so far today have been pretty scummy. I'm just going with my gut, until we get more information to suggest a better lynch.

 

Right, and your role digging is not?

I'm just sitting here wondering what's the big deal about revealing ones character name.

I'm just sitting here wondering what's the big deal about revealing ones character name.

Same.

I'm just sitting here wondering what's the big deal about revealing ones character name.

You know GoT lore. Other than myself you have been the biggest person to point out what's going on with the dead characters thus far. Maybe your initial thought about a Greyjoy mafia faction was incorrect but the theory behind it wasn't.

 

We know for a fact that there are at least two scum factions. One scum faction has been identified as "Westerosi". That Westerosi faction has the only character directly linked to Stannis Baratheon at this point. Stannis Baratheon's main quest is to re-take the Iron Throne because he claims to be the rightful king after his brother's (Robert Baratheon) death. What does that mean for purposes of this game? That means that anyone directly associated with Stannis Baratheon is directly opposed to the Lannister's since the Lannister's hold King's Landing and the Iron Throne.

 

Further proof that this is playing itself out in this game:

Tywin Lannister (TOWN)

Lord Varys (TOWN)

Sandor Clegane (TOWN)

 

Three proven town characters all have direct ties to the Lannister's at this point. So a Westerosi mafia faction with a character directly associated to Stannis Baratheon (Davos Seaworth) appear to be opposed to Lannister associated characters that are proven town already. It is not an unreasonable inference to me that character names matter here. Otherwise this is a HUGE and highly improbable coincidence.

 

More proof that the above theory holds up is the second mafia faction. The second scum faction has been identified as an "Essos" mafia faction. The Essos mafia faction has the only character (Xaro Xhoan Daxos) we have seen that is directly linked to a group in Essos in Qarth that ends up being hostile toward Daenerys Targaryen on her quest.

 

Further proof that this is playing itself out in this game:

Rhaegal (TOWN)

 

One proven town character has a direct tie to Daenerys Targaryen at this point. So an Essos mafia faction with a character directly associated to a hostile group in Qarth appear to be opposed to Daenerys Targaryen associated characters. Again, it is not an unreasonable inference to me that character names matter here. Otherwise this also is a HUGE and highly improbable coincidence.

 

Combined, the likelihood that this is all coincidence is even more improbable. This is why I firmly believe all character names matter.

 

My assumptions for the rest of the game based on the lore so far:

• There will be one more Stannis Baratheon associated character (perhaps Stannis himself) who will be the second member of the Westerosi mafia.
• There will be at least a couple more Lannister associated characters who will be TOWN players due to the above.
• There will be one more Qarth (Essos) associated character (probably Pyat Pree) who will be the second member of the Essos mafia.
  • For those who don't know the lore of Xaro Xhoan Daxos and why I believe Pyat Pree is possibly the next Esso mafia member --> These two characters stage a coup in the city of Qarth while Daenerys Targaryen is there and assassinate the other members of the Qarth ruling body and secure Daenerys' dragons for their own purposes and imprison them.
• There will be a couple more Daenerys Targaryen associated characters who will be TOWN players due to the above.

The final bit of proof that we have so far that the character names ABSOLUTELY matter in regards to GoT lore in this game is our jester. The character Dontos Hollard was made a "fool" by King Joffrey after he attended a tournament completely drunk on wine. Joffrey used him as a jester to entertain himself after that.

 

Let's not overlook all of the FACTS that we have so far. They all point towards the character names mattering in this game. Even if you don't know any or much GoT lore, I just laid it out for you the best I could. Look at it objectively and it all falls into place so far. Every death we've had so far further validates this theory.

 

So I will ask again, *IF* you are forced to role claim in this game for whatever reason, please include your role name. Townies should have no problem doing this because they should see the validity in doing so based on the evidence here. Let's at least make scum's job harder and make them try to lie and fabricate a name claim.

No I was wondering why it was such a big deal to Robert.

No I was wondering why it was such a big deal to Robert.

I don't see why I should have to name claim. I explained why I unvoted yesterday after his name because I believed him because of my role. Cause I'm a dragon. Is there a 3rd, I have no idea. But assuming the lore revolves around the 3 dragons, I'm willing to bet there probably is. This could be an Avenue Scum try to Fake RC with. Meaning claiming one of the remaining 2 dragons. Scum probally has limited options for fake names. I'm putting a Danger upon scum for not claiming. If for some reason there is only just 2 dragons, Idk if they would be willing to try to fake claim. It be a 50-50 shot, but if that was there only option, I imagine they'd take it. I'd rather have a chance to catch scum with my role then not. Scum should be looking for a fake claim, unless Brewers gave them some. My objective is to make it very hard for scum. 

 

I may very well claim before the day is over, If I believe it'll help the town. 

The main problem here is that nobody really wanting to put there foot forward at all and hide in the back. Except CM, though its unproductive. 

 

We had 2 last wagons yesterday that should be annualized. KevinH was seeding before and I called him out on it, then a last min push put me as a wagon. We know KevinH is anti now. Where he was pushing was who was not on the MK wagon. Meaning it probally more likely that his mafia was on the MK wagon.

 

Also something to note, Wolfpacks suspected Kevin and then died following day. I imagine he was killed by Kevin faction. 

 

Both wagons yesterday had participants for both wagons. Yehom, and The Warrior. 

 

 

 

Lord MK (6) KevinH, Jazzy, Nadarr, Kverst, iSocalism, The Warrior

 

iSocialism (5) The Warrior, Robert2424, Lachiton, Kverst, LordMK

 

Kvrest (4) LordSunday, Rhizoctonia, Yehom, The Warrior

 

I choose colors from what I know and revealed roles. 

 

TW been on all 3 wagons. CM, SM been apart of none. Jazzy been apart of one, (Where he/she been?) Nadarr been apart of one, Lord Sunday been apart of one, Yehom been apart of one, Rhizo been apart of one, Isoc been apart of one. 

No I was wondering why it was such a big deal to Robert.

If this is what you and Rhizo were referring to then that makes sense.

My Wagon yesterday was Yehom, Kevin, Kvest. then TW can't be counted but jumped from both. Though I'm a bit Perplexed by TW though. 

 

@TW, why change your vote to Kvest after my unvote? 

My Wagon yesterday was Yehom, Kevin, Kvest. then TW can't be counted but jumped from both. Though I'm a bit Perplexed by TW though. 

 

@TW, why change your vote to Kvest after my unvote? 

 

I didn't comment on the rest of that because I admit I didn't read back further than the action of the last two days. I was simply sharing thoughts on all of that in particular. As a part of the greater picture I agree with you that it looks even worse.

 

We are already past the supposed extended deadline today and Kverst seems to be the best choice right now. Best case scenario we hit scum. Worst case scenario we will end up lynching a claimed VT. If he flips town I'm going to want to hear more from KevinH and Robert tomorrow.

 

Vote: Kverst

At the time that I voted (1:17pm) the game was already past the supposed extended deadline that Brewers gave us of 12:00pm. I did not believe that no lynching was in the town's best interest. Had I not voted the day would have ended in a no lynch.

 

Even though I hated the way that the Kverst wagon took off after yours, I made it known that I thought his claim of Rhaegal as a VT was odd:

 

 

I doubt that iSoc would have oversold his new role as 1-shot BP if he was actually re-incarnated as a simple VT. It wouldn't really be a town play to make. I would think that if he was just a VT he would prefer to be lynched again since he couldn't do much more than vote. He would at least prefer it more than us possibly lynching another town PR.

 

I personally think Isoc had his one go and now is just an ordinary VT and is just playing up his role, either for fun or just because he was lynched in the first place.

 

LS I was figuring the SK in the five, there was probably a odd number of scum 3 to 2 ratio and add the SK, if there is a SK then he must of saved his kill.

 

If we go by game mechanic-wise, it would be too anti-town for iSoc to return to a non-town faction after he was killed during N1, especially seeing that there are more likely than not more scum factions. Given that plus the fact that Brewers has point out multiple times not to overthink things from a flavor point of view, I'm leaning more towards iSoc being town. 

I believe this is true. I was originally only skeptical of iSoc's return because I could see an avenue that would lead to him being re-incarnated as a scum member based off of GoT lore with dead people being resurrected by the Night King. With Brewers telling us not to put much stock in that flavor I'm hoping it means that my original worry was unfounded. 

 

 

Vote: Robert

 

You're way too busy playing against the game then playing the actual game with the actual players. Could be a tactic to seem like you're actively doing something, but you're not in fact. All that bitching and moaning has to be good for something, so I'm guessing you're stalling for something, because I'm not seeing some actual contribution

 

I said that we should move on and stop talking about the jester, but Robert still wanted to keep it going.

 

 

Someone is salty I have to say this is Niave. I don't trust Brewers now. He's the mod who puts in Jesters. Your really going to trust brewers after MK flipping Jester?

 

Not really salty, its Policy. 

 

@CM, Jesters are more Bastard roles, not used unless to piss off the masses. 

 

No matter how much we can say we dislike the mod, it's his game. If we could get some information so we can move forward, that would be helpful.

I don't dislike the mod, I'm saying for this game he can't be entirely trusted. 

 

 

 

vote robert

 

I agree that Robert being fixated on the jester role was unhelpful and sort of weird. I was pissed when MK flipped jester, especially before I saw that the game was continuing. If that would have ended the game I would have chewed Brewers out big time. Having said that, what's done is done. We can't change it so we shouldn't be fixated on it anymore. We have scum to find. Robert's issue with the jester shouldn't have continued as long as it did imo so I did view that as sort of scummy.

 

For this reason I can't really fault Kverst for his vote. However, as noted by others I find the timing to be sort of suspect. It came 21 hours later immediately after 2 votes were placed on Robert. I can't speak for Kverst's time when being able to check the game and post so it may be true that he just couldn't post until then but to do so immediately after two people had just voted for Robert makes it look incredibly convenient for him if he is scum looking for a lynch.

 

And honestly, it looks like Kverst might have had a chance to vote for Robert sooner than he did if he truly didn't like Robert discussing jester anymore. Robert posted this on Jan 19th:

 

And Kverst did respond a few posts later. In his defense he voiced some displeasure then with the continued jester talk:

 

If we go by game mechanic-wise, it would be too anti-town for iSoc to return to a non-town faction after he was killed during N1, especially seeing that there are more likely than not more scum factions. Given that plus the fact that Brewers has point out multiple times not to overthink things from a flavor point of view, I'm leaning more towards iSoc being town. 

I have to say this is Niave. I don't trust Brewers now. He's the mod who puts in Jesters. Your really going to trust brewers after MK flipping Jester?

 

 

But since this was ultimately Kverst's reasoning for voting for Robert the question should be asked:

No matter how much we can say we dislike the mod, it's his game. If we could get some information so we can move forward, that would be helpful.

 

@Kverst - Why didn't you vote for Robert then when there weren't any votes on him yet?

 

 

Well, there you go. 4 votes. I still don't believe I have done anything wrong in following what I think. If you all want to regulate my play style and how I act, I'm sorry, but it's not going to happen. 

 

Since you all seem so hell bent on lynching me, I guess I'm going to have to RC even though there is no solid evidence against me other than that you think using my vote means I'm scum. 

 

I am a vanilla townie. 

 

It's probably too late for this anyways, but I didn't think that using my vote and explaining why would be grounds for being lynched. So be it. 

 

 

 

The world isn't "crashing down around me", I am simply restating that my votes have been on people that I had a reason to vote for. For iSoc, that was d1 where we had to pick someone and he was supposed to go to trial by combat. For MK, I voted him for the obvious reason of him triggering iSoc's immediate death and skipping the trial by combat. It's not as if I was the only one to vote MK, either. Quite a few others also did the same. My votes alone aren't that suspicious. You said you needed a name, but I don't see the use of names in a game that doesn't require knowledge of GoT (which I don't know anything about). Anyways, I am Rhaegal, one of the three dragons born to Daenerys (vanilla townie)

 

Now for the role claim:

He simply claimed VT, which again by itself is a suspicious and convenient claim to make when you're up against the wall since he wouldn't have to really fabricate any night actions or anything to support it.

 

I asked for anyone who would role claim in this game to include their character name in their claim because I actually believe the names will matter here, given what we've seen so far. I am torn on the Rhaegal claim. On one hand we have Kverst saying that he doesn't know anything about GoT so claiming Rhaegal from that perspective would be out of the blue to me. This leads me to believe that that actually is his character name. On the other hand, Rhaegal the dragon being a VT? That also seems odd. At this point in the series the dragons were still adolescents I believe, but having one of them being a simple VT feels a bit odd.

 

Now, I would start to believe this more if there were other players in this game who claimed VT (not that I'm asking anyone to claim) and had character names of Drogon or Viserion (Daenerys other two dragons). So if anyone else happens to be a VT and has those names you should be more inclined to believe Kverst and not vote for him I would think. Although that doesn't help us of course if no one else claims.

 

 

I am torn on what to do. There isn't anything solid on any of our current choices really.

 

We have Robert's fixation on the jester rather than moving on and Kverst's convenient vote on Robert when Robert started gaining traction. Of the two I'd be most inclined to say that Kverst is slightly more scummy all things considered but I want to know why Robert was fixated on the jester role as much as he was.

Given the choices of the day and that Kverst's role claim felt incredibly convenient (and off to me since he claimed a dragon character name was a VT), I decided that voting for him was the best course of action. At the very worst we were lynching a claimed VT, at best we were lynching a scum who was role claiming as a VT to try to save himself. I decided that the risk was worth the potential reward in this case. Obviously it didn't end up paying off.

 

 

No I was wondering why it was such a big deal to Robert.

 

 

I don't see why I should have to name claim. I explained why I unvoted yesterday after his name because I believed him because of my role. Cause I'm a dragon. Is there a 3rd, I have no idea. But assuming the lore revolves around the 3 dragons, I'm willing to bet there probably is. This could be an Avenue Scum try to Fake RC with. Meaning claiming one of the remaining 2 dragons. Scum probally has limited options for fake names. I'm putting a Danger upon scum for not claiming. If for some reason there is only just 2 dragons, Idk if they would be willing to try to fake claim. It be a 50-50 shot, but if that was there only option, I imagine they'd take it. I'd rather have a chance to catch scum with my role then not. Scum should be looking for a fake claim, unless Brewers gave them some. My objective is to make it very hard for scum. 

 

I may very well claim before the day is over, If I believe it'll help the town. 

I must have misunderstood your earlier post. I thought you said you’re Drogon.

What perplexes me now is after that long winded post about forcing scum to take a shot in the dark... I don't think they'd be stupid enough (especially now) to try and claim the name of a dragon when as it's been stated; likely all 3 dragons are in play. That means most likely no matter which name is claimed there would most likely be a counter claim of the same name (assuming again scum is that stupid to try).

 

Jazzy and Nadarr are both still very quiet, and as the day continues that's going to draw more of my focus

 

@Mod could we get a vote count and post count of those below the req amount for the day? Please

I'll get another vote count tomorrow. We got another foot + of snow and it's gonna be -60 out the next few days so I've been cleaning snow again all day

 

 

No I was wondering why it was such a big deal to Robert.

If this is what you and Rhizo were referring to then that makes sense.

Yea, I don't think you originally got what I was saying with my comment.

 

My point was why it was a big deal for Robert to withhold it. I don't see the real big deal to admit what dragon name he was.

Its more over the only thing going on. 

 

VOTE JAZZY

 

Where are you?

I'm alive, lots of things dumped on me lately but I'll reread what's already been said. I know someone brought up my lynch of MK. I gave my reason and would've started the wagon had KevinH not beat me to it.

One down, 

 

Unvote

Vote Nadarr

 

Where you go now?

What perplexes me now is after that long winded post about forcing scum to take a shot in the dark... I don't think they'd be stupid enough (especially now) to try and claim the name of a dragon when as it's been stated; likely all 3 dragons are in play. That means most likely no matter which name is claimed there would most likely be a counter claim of the same name (assuming again scum is that stupid to try).

 

Jazzy and Nadarr are both still very quiet, and as the day continues that's going to draw more of my focus

 

@Mod could we get a vote count and post count of those below the req amount for the day? Please

 

 

^precisely

 

There's literally a huge cast of GoT, you literally have tons of options to fake claim as, and less risky ones.  Let alone, I'm not sold on this idea that scum weren't given a alternate name to RC as, as some have claimed.  There's been very few games that are based off a story/book/etc that involve characters that scum are not given another name to claim.  Could it happen, sure, as outside of scum no one knows and each game can be different then the others, but statistically it's very unlikely if based on most Mafia games on here.  I surely agree that when someone RC's that they should provide their name, for off chance that they didn't get one thus forcing scum to possibly pick an alternate name that could actually be the same as someone else, but it's not necessarily a make or break with finding scum if they did get a fake RC.  I know if I was scum, given that one Dragon name was already claimed, I surely wouldn't go the route of picking another Dragon name due to fear all 3 names are likely used if 1 was.

In addition to the character names/roles that we've already been given in this game and how they each have interacted with the GoT lore:

 

Another reason that I tend to believe that fake claims may not have been given in this game is because Brewers is writing flavor text for game updates but in this game they are not directly associated with the particular action of the day/night. This is different from the last game in that regard.

 

And for what it's worth, I didn't give scum fake name claims in all of the Harry Potter games.

In addition to the character names/roles that we've already been given in this game and how they each have interacted with the GoT lore:

 

Another reason that I tend to believe that fake claims may not have been given in this game is because Brewers is writing flavor text for game updates but in this game they are not directly associated with the particular action of the day/night. This is different from the last game in that regard.

 

And for what it's worth, I didn't give scum fake name claims in all of the Harry Potter games.

 

 

True point, i think I do remember being a scum in one of those and not being given one.  Well then my statement is not as factual as I thought, just seems like most times I've played scum I usually was.  

I would be a little surprised if Brewers gave fake names for role claiming. Did he do it with the last GoT game? It seems very un-Brewsky-as-GRRM for him to give fake roll clams.

I would be a little surprised if Brewers gave fake names for role claiming. Did he do it with the last GoT game? It seems very un-Brewsky-as-GRRM for him to give fake roll clams.

 

 

Yes he did give me a fake RC name as SK (I never needed to use)

 

 

I would be a little surprised if Brewers gave fake names for role claiming. Did he do it with the last GoT game? It seems very un-Brewsky-as-GRRM for him to give fake roll clams.

 

 

 

 

Yes he did give me a fake RC name as SK (I never needed to use)

In that case idk wtf.

Vote: Robert

 

You're stalling and distracting. Either you give us something to off of or hold your tongue forever 

Dude, I have been gone for a day. Chill out a little. I really don't have much more to add at the moment. We are still talking about Robert's role claim which seems like something stupid to be arguing over. He didn't fully claim, but is it honestly that big a deal. Even if I agree with TW and his assumptions of possible characters does it still matter? If Robert is a dragon, which one doesn't mean anything; he would still be town no matter which one he is.