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[Jazzy95]

Yea, glad you knew I meant role and not flavor. Response Pengu?

[Colonel Medved]

 

I would think flavor is a modifier, no?

 

 

Flavor isn't a modifier.

 

The roles listed are clear, and no role cop exists in this game.  The only cop role is a cop, and they do not get one's actual role, they simply get a guilty or not guilty result.  A role cop is the only one who would know if Robert was Patient 0, and there isn't one in this game.

 

 

If you look back at past games of TW where he lists roles/modifers like Pokemon

 

 

Only the following roles may exist in this game:

Ascetic, Bodyguard, Bulletproof, Commuter, Cop, Cupid, Doctor, Enabler, FBI Agent, Flavor Cop, Follower, Framer, Friendly Neighbor, Godfather, Goon, Gunsmith, Hider, Innocent Child, Jack-of-All-Trades, Jailkeeper, Jester, Mafia Encryptor, Mason, Miller, Motion Detector, Neapolitan, Neighbor, Neighborizer, Ninja, Nurse, Nymphomaniac, Role Cop, Roleblocker, Rolestopper, Serial Killer, Strongman, Super Saint, Tailor, Tracker, Traitor, Universal Backup, Vanilla Cop, Vigilante, Vanilla Townie, Vengeful, Voyeur, Watcher, Watchlisted Townie, Wrong Place at the Wrong Time Townie

 

The following modifiers may also exist in this game:

Ascetic, Backup (with or without primary role present), Bulletproof, Enabler (with or without primary role present), Even/Odd Night, Macho, Neighbor, Non-Consecutive Night, Various Sanities, Weak, X-Shot

 

 

Role cop is listed under roles, not under modifiers.  

 

 

Pengu messed up his fake RC and I seem to be the only one who found it odd he claimed a role and not simply he got a guilty result on him.  I been waiting to get an answer from Pengu for this very reason.  A modifer for a cop would be something like insane, or even/odd, non consecutive, etc. 

 

Pengu is lying.

 

 

 

 

You have yet to answer what type of a cop you're

That's a good point Rhizo, i'm also curious to know.

Apologies, I didnt see. After reconsulting my PM it reads "Role Cop"

• Patient Zero
• Zombie
• Cop
• Doctor
• Vigilante
• Universal Backup
• Vanilla Townie

• Various role modifiers may be in play

There's no role cop in this game.

Vote: Penguin

But there is a cop, could that be what he means

 

 

 

He claims Role cop, not cop.  Role cop is not listed as a possible role, so it's not in this game.  TW lists possible roles in many of his games, and he distinctly has Cop and Role cop separated from one another, and not under modifiers

 

 

Good catch, Rhizo! With deadline coming up, i want to at least throw my vote on someone in the event i don't post. 

 

Vote: PenguiNation

[PenguiNation]

Yea, glad you knew I meant role and not flavor. Response Pengu?

No real response other than I know what i am and that I'm right. What reason would I have as a zombie to kill Robert in particular, exactly? I mean I at least see where all the suspicion is coming from but as Rafay and Mwilson had said, if I'm wrong(Which I'm not) lynch me tomorrow. Or vig shoot me. But trust me on this one

[Kverst]

I'd rather not kill a potential cop when Robert hasn't even claimed yet. 

[Rhizoctonia]

 

Yea, glad you knew I meant role and not flavor. Response Pengu?

No real response other than I know what i am and that I'm right. What reason would I have as a zombie to kill Robert in particular, exactly? I mean I at least see where all the suspicion is coming from but as Rafay and Mwilson had said, if I'm wrong(Which I'm not) lynch me tomorrow. Or vig shoot me. But trust me on this one

 

 

 

There's no role cop, you claimed role cop.  Period, end of story.  You're lying.

 

Also, there's very good reason why trying to push a mislynch helps you.

 

You force a mislynch today, scum turns another at night, we lynch you tomorrow, zombies turn another tomorrow night.  That's a 3 to 1 swing benefit to zombies, they turn 2 and mislynch 1, to killing only you off tomorrow.

I'd rather not kill a potential cop when Robert hasn't even claimed yet. 

 

 

^this one likely a scum partner

 

Doesn't want to see how there's no role cop possible in game, while also trying to push for Robert to RC knowing Peng is lying.  

[The Warrior]

Vote Count

 

Colonel Medved (0):

FrigidInferno (0):

Jazzy95 (0):

KevinH (0):

Kverst (0):

MWilson (0):

Nadarr (0):

PenguiNation (3): Robert2424, Rhizoctonia, Colonel MedVed

Rafay (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

Robert2424 (6): SeaBeeGipson, MWilson, Rafay, KevinH, Kverst, Wolfpacks

SeaBeeGipson (0):

Velocity (0):

Wolfpacks (0):

 

 

Not Voting: FrigidInferno, Jazzy95, Nadarr, PenguiNation, Velocity

 

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Deadline will be at 1:00pm CN Server time on Sunday, February 24th.

[Nadarr]

Various role modifiers may be in play

 

This could mean that the cop listed is a role cop. There are modifiers in play. 

 

 

EDIT: Sorry didn't realize there was much more to read. I like Rhizo's reasoning. If TW has a tendency to specify cop type then I am willing to believe that PenguiN is lying on his RC.

 

Vote: PenguiNation

[The Warrior]

**Reminder** All players must cast a vote by the deadline on Sunday.

 

 

Vote Count

 

Colonel Medved (0):

FrigidInferno (0):

Jazzy95 (0):

KevinH (0):

Kverst (0):

MWilson (0):

Nadarr (0):

PenguiNation (4): Robert2424, Rhizoctonia, Colonel Medved, Nadarr

Rafay (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

Robert2424 (6): SeaBeeGipson, MWilson, Rafay, KevinH, Kverst, Wolfpacks

SeaBeeGipson (0):

Velocity (0):

Wolfpacks (0):

 

 

Not Voting: FrigidInferno, Jazzy95, PenguiNation, Velocity

 

14 players are currently in game. All players MUST vote to lynch someone by day's end. The person with the highest vote count will be lynched at deadline. A lynch for two or more players tied for the highest vote count will come down to that individual's post count.

Deadline will be at 1:00pm CN Server time on Sunday, February 24th.

[Rafay]

What if Penguin turns out a cop if we lynch him? Do we still lynch Robert or question the people who lynched PenguinNation?

 

If Penguin gets lynched then we know he was telling the truth and we go for Robert and if Rob turns out town then Penguin won't even survive the vig.

[KevinH]

I'm with Rafay here.

There's more to lose by potentially lynching a {role} cop.

 

I can see where {role} is a modifier to cop.

There's no "mafia" in this game so the roles are up to a bit of interpretation anyway.

(I'm assuming a doctor protects against a zombie bite but it doesn't really say that anywhere)

[Kverst]

I'm with Rafay here.

There's more to lose by potentially lynching a {role} cop.

 

I can see where {role} is a modifier to cop.

There's no "mafia" in this game so the roles are up to a bit of interpretation anyway.

(I'm assuming a doctor protects against a zombie bite but it doesn't really say that anywhere)

 

Goes to show there are a lot of unknowns.

[Rhizoctonia]

 

Various role modifiers may be in play

 

This could mean that the cop listed is a role cop. There are modifiers in play. 

 

 

EDIT: Sorry didn't realize there was much more to read. I like Rhizo's reasoning. If TW has a tendency to specify cop type then I am willing to believe that PenguiN is lying on his RC.

 

Vote: PenguiNation

 

 

 

If you look at any game TW mods that he lists roles, he is consistent with what the modifiers possibly are, and specifically differentiates the different possible cop roles.  The fact he only listed cop as a possible role and no Role Cop means there is none.

 

 

Only the following roles may exist in this game:

Vanilla Townie, Bodyguard, Commuter, Cop, Day Cop, Role Cop, Vanilla Cop, Flavor Cop, Doctor, Framer, Friendly Neighbor, Follower, Gunsmith, Hider, Innocent Child, Jack of All Trades, Jailkeeper, Mafia Goon, Mafia Encryptor, Mafia Godfather, Mafia Ninja, Mafia Strongman, Mafia Traitor, Mason, Miller, Motion Detector, Naïve Cop, Neapolitan, Neighbor, Neighborizer, Nurse, Paranoid Cop, Roleblocker, Rolestopper, Serial Killer, Tailor, Tracker, Universal Backup, Vigilante, Voyeur, Watcher

 

The following modifiers may also exist in this game:

Ascetic, Backup (with or without primary role present), Bulletproof, Enabler (with or without primary role present), Even/Odd Night, Macho, Neighbor, Non-Consecutive Night, Various Sanities, Weak, X-Shot 

You look at any other game of TW's, zero have it as a modifier.  ZERO.  Every game he lists both Cop and Role cop separately as a role and not a modifier. The mere fact Kevin as a mod himself is not agreeing with this leads me to believe he very well could be a zombie.

My list as it stands

 

Pengu, Kevin, Kvrest

[Rhizoctonia]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Category:Role_Modifiers

 

[PenguiNation]

 

Yea, glad you knew I meant role and not flavor. Response Pengu?

No real response other than I know what i am and that I'm right. What reason would I have as a zombie to kill Robert in particular, exactly? I mean I at least see where all the suspicion is coming from but as Rafay and Mwilson had said, if I'm wrong(Which I'm not) lynch me tomorrow. Or vig shoot me. But trust me on this one
 

 
 
There's no role cop, you claimed role cop.  Period, end of story.  You're lying.
 
Also, there's very good reason why trying to push a mislynch helps you.
 
You force a mislynch today, scum turns another at night, we lynch you tomorrow, zombies turn another tomorrow night.  That's a 3 to 1 swing benefit to zombies, they turn 2 and mislynch 1, to killing only you off tomorrow.

I'd rather not kill a potential cop when Robert hasn't even claimed yet. 

 
 
^this one likely a scum partner
 
Doesn't want to see how there's no role cop possible in game, while also trying to push for Robert to RC knowing Peng is lying.  

Huh. I'll be honest, I didnt think of any of those possibilities in terms of the zombies. But i just want to say that it says role cop in my PM, even though I'm technically not supposed to quote those but apparently y'all arent satisfied with getting the main zombie. So lynch robert and murder me tonight if I'm wrong. Because that way you'd be taking down a "scum", which I'm not, and not wanting a lynch since let's be honest, this game was going nowhere fast until I roleclaimed.

[Wolfpacks]

Im still in the benefit of the doubt camp, I'm not wholly sure he's made a role read blunder and hasn't totally understood his role, for this reason I'm keeping my vote where it is, but I also need Robert to counter explain.

[Rhizoctonia]

 

 

 

Yea, glad you knew I meant role and not flavor. Response Pengu?

No real response other than I know what i am and that I'm right. What reason would I have as a zombie to kill Robert in particular, exactly? I mean I at least see where all the suspicion is coming from but as Rafay and Mwilson had said, if I'm wrong(Which I'm not) lynch me tomorrow. Or vig shoot me. But trust me on this one
 
 

 
 
There's no role cop, you claimed role cop.  Period, end of story.  You're lying.
 
Also, there's very good reason why trying to push a mislynch helps you.
 
You force a mislynch today, scum turns another at night, we lynch you tomorrow, zombies turn another tomorrow night.  That's a 3 to 1 swing benefit to zombies, they turn 2 and mislynch 1, to killing only you off tomorrow.

I'd rather not kill a potential cop when Robert hasn't even claimed yet. 
 

 
 
^this one likely a scum partner
 
Doesn't want to see how there's no role cop possible in game, while also trying to push for Robert to RC knowing Peng is lying.  

Huh. I'll be honest, I didnt think of any of those possibilities in terms of the zombies. But i just want to say that it says role cop in my PM, even though I'm technically not supposed to quote those but apparently y'all arent satisfied with getting the main zombie. So lynch robert and murder me tonight if I'm wrong. Because that way you'd be taking down a "scum", which I'm not, and not wanting a lynch since let's be honest, this game was going nowhere fast until I roleclaimed.

 

 

 

Or...we lynch the liar, you.

 

Game Roles:

 

• Patient Zero
• Zombie
• Cop
• Doctor
• Vigilante
• Universal Backup
• Vanilla Townie

 

• Various role modifiers may be in play.

 

Town doesn't win simply by doing a 1 for 1 like any other mafia game.  This game you gain back(likely unless blocked by a doctor) a zombie every night.  We need lynches and vig kills to hit to actually win.  Saying we can just lynch you tomorrow or vig kill you tonight does not hurt mafia, you still gain a player to replace you tonight.  If we wait to lynch you tomorrow, you then gain a 3-1 benefit to zombies.  At best you're vig killed and the amount of zombies remain the same it is today, just with 2 less people in game.

[Rhizoctonia]

Zombies will NOT be made aware of all other zombies. Rather, they will be split into small zombie hordes for the purpose of communicating with one another on whom to try to lynch during the day. Zombies will become aware of Patient Zero's identity upon their infection, however. Only Patient Zero will know who all has been infected and will not be a part of a hord

 

 

The only way, and I mean only way that you know he's P0 is because you were turned and told who patient 0 is and you're trying to buss him by throwing him under the buss.  There's no Role cop, so you're either a zombie pushing a mislynch, or you're a zombie who was told who is P0 and trying to push a lynch on him and then look town.  Then have our doctor protect you, knowing you're free to turn anyone you want without being stopped.

 

The fact you keep claiming Role Cop is completely false, I have proven this multiple times over based on what roles TW said was possible in this game, the fact TW separates both roles in any other game he list's possible roles, and Role Cop is not a modifier, not in any TW's game, and not by Mafia scum website.  You're either pushing a mislynch or you're bussing  your own P0 since a turned zombie is the only one who will know the identity of P0

[Wolfpacks]

Ok Rhizo you have persuaded me, I truly hope your right,

UNVOTE

VOTE Penguin

[PenguiNation]

Zombies will NOT be made aware of all other zombies. Rather, they will be split into small zombie hordes for the purpose of communicating with one another on whom to try to lynch during the day. Zombies will become aware of Patient Zero's identity upon their infection, however. Only Patient Zero will know who all has been infected and will not be a part of a hord

 
 
The only way, and I mean only way that you know he's P0 is because you were turned and told who patient 0 is and you're trying to buss him by throwing him under the buss.  There's no Role cop, so you're either a zombie pushing a mislynch, or you're a zombie who was told who is P0 and trying to push a lynch on him and then look town.  Then have our doctor protect you, knowing you're free to turn anyone you want without being stopped.
 
The fact you keep claiming Role Cop is completely false, I have proven this multiple times over based on what roles TW said was possible in this game, the fact TW separates both roles in any other game he list's possible roles, and Role Cop is not a modifier, not in any TW's game, and not by Mafia scum website.  You're either pushing a mislynch or you're bussing  your own P0 since a turned zombie is the only one who will know the identity of P0

Well that would be stupid and dickish, would it not? In this type of game I assume the zombies wouldnt want to rid one of their own since the real cop would investigate them and find them a zombie. Although I guess at that point it's just a matter of who do you trust more, and at this point its either trust a council member with long ass research posts or the cop who's trying to legitimately give you the zombies.
Perhaps an early roleclaim wasnt a good idea, since yuh know, I'll fucking die for it apparently. Willing to bet that even the vig'll kill me since you brought up the whole zombie getting rid of p0 thing, juuuuuust to make sure.
On that note, I'm pretty sure that's straight up not allowed? Or at least in small degrees, but not "Oh let's fuck our leader up" like that's legit fucked up. Although I guess zombies wouldnt care but still. I wouldnt do such a thing, promise.

[PenguiNation]

I also kind of find the idea of using past games to influence this one quite funny