Please stop mixing Carter Page with Stefan Halper.

James Comey went to the FISC to get a FISA warrant on Stefan Halper? Wrong. I'm not mixing them up at all. They got a warrant on Carter Page, and then used that warrant to gather information, and transcripts, on everyone he talked to... and then everyone they talked to... and then everyone they talked to. Then the Obama Administration unmasked and revealed the identities of everyone in that web... Samantha Power, the Ambassador to the UN, unmasked over 300 by herself. Please tell me why the Ambassador of the UN has any business unmasking any American citizen? That's right... she had no business doing that.

 

Carter Page was charged with NOTHING... but they used him as a back door to the entire campaign.

 

 

Lastly, blame the PATRIOT Act for US agencies working so closely together...

Wrong. The number of intel agencies that had access to this information was always only 3. Obama opened it up to all 17 just before he left office... which proves he knew exactly what he was doing.

 

 

Again, Steele Dossier started with Republicans, continued under Democrats and was deemed a footnote in a FISA application as the FBI found Steele and his work credible (up to today!).

Wrong. There were Republicans that hired Fusion GPS to do work for them before they dropped out of the race, but it had nothing to do with the Steele Dossier. That was entirely the work of Christopher Steele, and was paid for by Hillary Clinton and the DNC.

 

 

I only see a conspiracy theory about a badly executed conspiracy. 2 fools don't make a genius. Either you are undercutting your own intelligence agencies OR envoking mystical powers towards Trump being made of teflon. Either make your entire argument look to be in bad faith.

It is my belief that Barack Obama charged his administration to create the appearance that the Trump campaign was working with Russians. We already know that the Trump campaign was not working with Russians. Robert Mueller delayed his testimony to Congress to the 24th. It is now my prediction that nothing new will come from this hearing. The 2 questions of importance that we still do not know are...

 

"When did you come to the conclusion that the Trump campaign was innocent of conspiracy?"

His answer will be... "When I interviewed the last witness".

 

"Why did you not investigate the origins of the investigation?"

His answer will be... "Because I wasn't asked".

 

Nothing new will come from Robert Mueller. The coming investigations, and prosecutions, will tell the true story.

 

 

The way I see it right now... The Obama Administration created the appearance that the Trump Campaign was colluding with a foreign government. Not enough for prison, but enough to shave votes from Trump. They did this to have something to leak to the press before the election, but chose not to because Hillary Clinton was supposed to be a shoe-in for the win. Trump won, and no one expected that.   After Trump won, they had 2 and a half months to cover their crimes, and make sure that Trump was tangled up in investigations long enough to get him out of office. They believed he would be a horrible president, they had the press on their side, and the people would actually want him removed from office. That didn't happen, so it was only a matter of time before things came to the surface.   All that "wrongdoing" you're talking about was scripted by the CIA and the FBI.

 

 

So you are saying that it is more likely that the FBI and CIA got together to frame a known dirty businessman than it is that maybe just maybe Trump has broken the law and so have all his friends. 

 

Trump is super smart but doesn't want us to see his school records

Trump has great financials but doesn't want us to see his tax returns

Trump didn't collude or do any wrong doing in his election campaign but doesn't want anyone to see the full Mueller report

Trump isn't friends with Epstein but invites him to parties and hangs out with him on his free time

Trump isn't racist but tells members of congress who are part of minorities to go back to their home country (all of which are Americans lol).

Trump is honest yet lies to us every single day

Trump has nothing to hide but pays a lot in hush money

Trump is a great businessman but has yet to make a agree of consequence in office.

 

So my question is, do you honestly think Trump is fit for office or do you just not want a Democrat in office?

 

 

On a side note it looks like the economy is going into the crapper. The GOP has been supporting coal and doing tariffs but neither are working as coal is quickly dying out and China is impacted by the tariff less than we are, and as we have discussed before the US deficit is growing and reaching an all time high. Prosecution of Child-Sex Traffickers has plummeted. Toss in all the corruption in Puerto Rico and rioting. Oh and Rand Paul blocked the 9/11 Victim Funding.  I miss the days when the biggest worry was what type of mustard Obama put on his burger.

 

 

So you are saying that it is more likely that the FBI and CIA got together to frame a known dirty businessman than it is that maybe just maybe Trump has broken the law and so have all his friends.

Obama allowed the CIA and the FBI to create a scandal against Trump in case Hillary needed it to win. It appeared to be a lock for Hillary, so they used it as an insurance policy just in case Trump won. The "dirty businessman" thing is your bias talking. There's an old saying from the head of Stalin's secret police... "Show me the man, I'll show you the crime".

 

 

Trump is super smart but doesn't want us to see his school records

I don't care myself, but have you cared to check on all those things Obama still has hidden?

 

 

Trump has great financials but doesn't want us to see his tax returns

No billionaire will release their tax returns. That's why Oprah will never run for President.

 

 

Trump didn't collude or do any wrong doing in his election campaign but doesn't want anyone to see the full Mueller report

Trump has nothing to do with it. Everything that can be legally released has been released.

 

 

Trump isn't friends with Epstein but invites him to parties and hangs out with him on his free time

The party you're talking about was in 1992. All the billionaires in Palm Beach were there.

I think you're confusing Donald Trump with Billy Clinton.

 

 

Trump isn't racist but tells members of congress who are part of minorities to go back to their home country (all of which are Americans lol).

I agree with Trump... if you hate the USA, then get out. He said nothing about their race. Ilhan Omar is from Somalia and she can bleep the bleepin bleep right outta the bleepin bleep... I would pay for a one way ticket for her to return home. The "Squad" will drive the Democrat candidates too far left, and I can't see anyone that can beat Trump yet.

 

 

Trump is honest yet lies to us every single day

That's your bias showing again. All politicians talk their own version of the truth. It would help if you learned how to interpret.

 

 

Trump has nothing to hide but pays a lot in hush money

All billionaires do. Again you believe Trump is the only one.

 

 

Trump is a great businessman but has yet to make a agree of consequence in office.

I really don't know what you said here.

 

 

So my question is, do you honestly think Trump is fit for office or do you just not want a Democrat in office?

I voted for Trump in 2016 because the alternative was Hillary Clinton. I didn't know if Trump would be a good president or not. He has proved quite capable of doing the job, and not only that, he has done it under the worst possible conditions. I will have nothing but enthusiasm to strongly vote for him once again in 2020... but Nevada is a blue state so it really won't do any good.

 

 

On a side note it looks like the economy is going into the crapper.

Well I can't predict the future, but I think your bias is talking again. Dow is over 27,000... it's never been better.

 

 

Oh and Rand Paul blocked the 9/11 Victim Funding.

Rand Paul is questioning why we have to spend 70 billion dollars for anyone who dies in New York... oh that's right... we have to spend 70 billion dollars for anyone who dies in New York because Jon Stewart says we should. Kudos to Rand Paul.

 

I miss the days when the biggest worry was what type of mustard Obama put on his burger.

Obama is a Democrat... he would use mayonnaise.

 

Please stop mixing Carter Page with Stefan Halper.

James Comey went to the FISC to get a FISA warrant on Stefan Halper? Wrong. I'm not mixing them up at all. They got a warrant on Carter Page, and then used that warrant to gather information, and transcripts, on everyone he talked to... and then everyone they talked to... and then everyone they talked to. Then the Obama Administration unmasked and revealed the identities of everyone in that web... Samantha Power, the Ambassador to the UN, unmasked over 300 by herself. Please tell me why the Ambassador of the UN has any business unmasking any American citizen? That's right... she had no business doing that.

 

Carter Page was charged with NOTHING... but they used him as a back door to the entire campaign.

 

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You were claiming that Varter Page was a FBI/CIA/... agent, a claim he is using as his defence in his trials. This claim has not been founded in truth and as such I noted which the actual "mole" was.

 

As for Power, Nunes tried to stick that claim on her but failed to produce any evidence, thou offcourse I doubt the FBI/CIA would just stroll in and state either side of the story. Thou once again I think you are following a gobbled together story, it so happens that Susan Rice (former UN ambassador to UN) in her capacity as National Security Advisor indeed did ask for some unmasking, some even specific related to the Trump campaign. Would be part of the still secret and ongoing counter-intelligence investigation around the Trump campaign (unrelated to Mueller thus).

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Again, Steele Dossier started with Republicans, continued under Democrats and was deemed a footnote in a FISA application as the FBI found Steele and his work credible (up to today!).

Wrong. There were Republicans that hired Fusion GPS to do work for them before they dropped out of the race, but it had nothing to do with the Steele Dossier. That was entirely the work of Christopher Steele, and was paid for by Hillary Clinton and the DNC.

 

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Fusion GPS hired Steele, as such neither Republicans nor Democrats knew who the dossier would come from. And here I thought getting dirt on your political opponent was strategy #1 for the GOP...

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I only see a conspiracy theory about a badly executed conspiracy. 2 fools don't make a genius. Either you are undercutting your own intelligence agencies OR envoking mystical powers towards Trump being made of teflon. Either make your entire argument look to be in bad faith.

It is my belief that Barack Obama charged his administration to create the appearance that the Trump campaign was working with Russians. We already know that the Trump campaign was not working with Russians. Robert Mueller delayed his testimony to Congress to the 24th. It is now my prediction that nothing new will come from this hearing. The 2 questions of importance that we still do not know are...

 

"When did you come to the conclusion that the Trump campaign was innocent of conspiracy?"

His answer will be... "When I interviewed the last witness".

 

"Why did you not investigate the origins of the investigation?"

His answer will be... "Because I wasn't asked".

 

Nothing new will come from Robert Mueller. The coming investigations, and prosecutions, will tell the true story.

 

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Again, a nice theory for now, a conspiracy theory to some.

 

Mueller testimony got delayed so they got more hours with him, perhaps you would like more questions pointed to him no?

 

Q #1: no such remark or statement has originated from either Mueller, his team or the report. Remarks that were included were about obstructions towards his investigations. Lets also not forget that as a loyal civil servant he followed the DOJ memo stating that no sitting president could be indicted, henc he specifically made references to Congress needing to step up and proceed with his (and other investigations) findings. Thusfar Trump already has 2 indictments put in the freezer cause of this memo: obstruction of justice and violations in campaign finances.

 

Q #2: he wasn't asked alot of stuff that could have been used to widen his scope, for one Trumps actual financial position nor were his personal belongings ever collected to either prove of disporve the allegations.

 

Trump is super smart but doesn't want us to see his school records

I don't care myself, but have you cared to check on all those things Obama still has hidden?

 

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So smart.

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Trump didn't collude or do any wrong doing in his election campaign but doesn't want anyone to see the full Mueller report

Trump has nothing to do with it. Everything that can be legally released has been released.

 

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Thats nice phrasing you used there, now why would all the rest not be released then? >_>

 

And heck, we already established that even of the released stuff most isn't read or understood by the majority of the people and the ones that do are misinterpreting it greatly (on both sides!)

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Trump isn't friends with Epstein but invites him to parties and hangs out with him on his free time

The party you're talking about was in 1992. All the billionaires in Palm Beach were there.

I think you're confusing Donald Trump with Billy Clinton.

 

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Indict them both for all I care. It is just that 1 of those names has more shady and unethical dealings with minors then the other. Offcourse private stuff is still unknown.

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Trump isn't racist but tells members of congress who are part of minorities to go back to their home country (all of which are Americans lol).

I agree with Trump... if you hate the USA, then get out. He said nothing about their race. Ilhan Omar is from Somalia and she can bleep the bleepin bleep right outta the bleepin bleep... I would pay for a one way ticket for her to return home. The "Squad" will drive the Democrat candidates too far left, and I can't see anyone that can beat Trump yet.

 

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They don't "hate" the USA, heck they probably dislike it less then what the Republicans felt under Obama and I doubt that "go back to X" was chanted during Obama's rather sparse rallies during his tenure.

 

He singled out specificaly 4 woman of non-white ethnicity. Heck if he even just thruw Sanders into the mix it would have been that much easier to disavow any racial prejudice. But now you got a POTUS who is stating lines that would have any federal employ under strict scrutiny with punishments up to termination.

 

Also, lol "left", you guys don't even cross over the neutral zone. Unless it is to help farmers due to your tariff war, that aint socialist, no sir >_>

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Trump is honest yet lies to us every single day

That's your bias showing again. All politicians talk their own version of the truth. It would help if you learned how to interpret.

 

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Alternative facts hé? Well atleast you admit "PC" is a thing and you don't mind Trump employing it, thanks!

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Trump is a great businessman but has yet to make a agree of consequence in office.

I really don't know what you said here.

 

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Thusfar no "new" or "improved" real treaty has been established by Trump. At best he muddled somewhat in the sidelines of NAFTA (which he had what we call a "flashing light" relation, with its ON/OFF status ) and thats about it, meanwhile he did scrap a ton of other stuff, with nothing to replace it (hello ACA replacement??? Anyone??? HELLO!!!! HELLOOOOOOOOOO??????).

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So my question is, do you honestly think Trump is fit for office or do you just not want a Democrat in office?

I voted for Trump in 2016 because the alternative was Hillary Clinton. I didn't know if Trump would be a good president or not. He has proved quite capable of doing the job, and not only that, he has done it under the worst possible conditions. I will have nothing but enthusiasm to strongly vote for him once again in 2020... but Nevada is a blue state so it really won't do any good.

 

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Get a third or fourth or ... party for fucks sake, if your vote is an "I dislike this one the least", you are doing it wrong!

 

What "worst conditions"? GOP has the trifecta the first 2y and besides breaking stuff did diddely squad (sp? ).

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On a side note it looks like the economy is going into the crapper.

Well I can't predict the future, but I think your bias is talking again. Dow is over 27,000... it's never been better.

 

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Interests are at all time low and deficit is skyrocketing. Wages haven't so much budged in line with GDP growth nor has average family cash reserves.

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Oh and Rand Paul blocked the 9/11 Victim Funding.

Rand Paul is questioning why we have to spend 70 billion dollars for anyone who dies in New York... oh that's right... we have to spend 70 billion dollars for anyone who dies in New York because Jon Stewart says we should. Kudos to Rand Paul.

 

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GOP official disalowed from mentioning 9/11 from this day forward. Sounds like your entire VA debacle.

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I miss the days when the biggest worry was what type of mustard Obama put on his burger.

Obama is a Democrat... he would use mayonnaise.

 

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And here I thought there was outrage when he wanted Dijon mustard, or as Fox News stated it "fancy mustard".

 

 

You were claiming that Varter Page was a FBI/CIA/... agent, a claim he is using as his defence in his trials.

Carter Page has not been charged with anything.

 

 

Nunes tried to stick that claim on her but failed to produce any evidence

Oh I see... a sitting Congressman is lying about a former Ambassador to the United Nations. That makes a lot of sense.

 

 

Thats nice phrasing you used there, now why would all the rest not be released then?

To protect the innocent, Grand Jury testimony cannot be released to the public.

 

 

they probably dislike it less then what the Republicans felt under Obama

Excuse me? I'm a Republican, and I felt a lot when Obama was President. I have never burned a flag, trashed a monument, spit on a cop, raised a weapon at any official, protested a military action, disrespected the national anthem, denied anyone their freedom of speech, vandalized property or beat someone up because of their hat... hell, I even force the poll workers to look at my identification when I vote. Don't tell me they don't hate the USA... I'm on the ground here in the USA, and I see it with my own eyes.

 

 

He singled out specificaly 4 woman of non-white ethnicity.

They singled themselves out... they call themselves "The Squad". They believe the color of their skin will shield them from criticism... they're wrong.

 

 

Get a third or fourth or ... party for fucks sake

We have many parties... Green, Reform, Constitution, Libertarian, and many others. Voting for them means nothing.

 

 

What "worst conditions"? GOP has the trifecta the first 2y and besides breaking stuff did diddely squad

Under a bogus investigation, relentless harassment, and 90% negative media coverage. Still presiding over the strongest economy ever, and we got two new Supremes so far... patiently waiting for the notorious RBG to cash in. Life is really good right now.

 

 

Interests are at all time low

Wrong. The Federal Reserve locked rates at zero for all 8 years of Obama... because the economy sucked.

 

 

and deficit is skyrocketing

Because spending has increased, and nothing has been cut. Stupid Democrats spend first and then go hunting for scalps. They can't get it through their thick skulls that it's not their money.

 

Kind of strange that the Belgian is answering once again for DarkFox… but I'm an equal opportunity debater. We should start a new thread to talk Democrat debates and election buzz. I'm waiting for the other investigations to finish up. I think my positions are already known about what I believe, and it feels I'm just repeating myself now. I'll say it again... we shall see.

I don't care myself, but have you cared to check on all those things Obama still has hidden?

 

 

What things? The major complaint people had was the birth certificate which he released.

 

 

 

Obama allowed the CIA and the FBI to create a scandal against Trump in case Hillary needed it to win. It appeared to be a lock for Hillary, so they used it as an insurance policy just in case Trump won. The "dirty businessman" thing is your bias talking. There's an old saying from the head of Stalin's secret police... "Show me the man, I'll show you the crime".

 

 

Obama was neither the head of the Cia or the FBI, also if you want to make comparisons between Soviet Russia and Obama I would like to remind you Trump tried state ran media and he has his own secret police in the form of ICE.

 

 

 

No billionaire will release their tax returns. That's why Oprah will never run for President.

 

They wouldn't be billionaires if they did haha, but the thing is I expect more from our President than promising to release them and then not. We all know whats on their and it is only bad for him to release it.

 

 

 

Trump has nothing to do with it. Everything that can be legally released has been released.

 

 

The people underneath him did wrong doings on the campaign. If someone I am paying does illegal stuff for my business then I am liable, that's just how it works.

 

 

 

That's your bias showing again. All politicians talk their own version of the truth. It would help if you learned how to interpret.

 

 

That isn't bias though, he does in fact lie every day. I can pull up many examples and they aren't even silly politician half lies. He literally says the opposite of something happened right after he said it happened this way. 

 

 

 

The party you're talking about was in 1992. All the billionaires in Palm Beach were there. I think you're confusing Donald Trump with Billy Clinton.

 

 

No, they are all friends and I would be pretty happy to see all those sexual predators in jail.

 

 

 

I agree with Trump... if you hate the USA, then get out. He said nothing about their race. Ilhan Omar is from Somalia and she can bleep the bleepin bleep right outta the bleepin bleep... I would pay for a one way ticket for her to return home. The "Squad" will drive the Democrat candidates too far left, and I can't see anyone that can beat Trump yet.

 

 

I believe you missed the impact of saying "go back to your home country" has on someone of a different race solely because you aren't racist. I have a friend who's family came from Armenia and he was told to go back to his home country growing up because of his name and curly hair. The only way the statement could have been more racist is if they added in a derogatory word.

 

As for Omar she has been in the USA for 24 years which is 2/3s of her life. Her birth country is nothing like it was when she was there and by every definition this is her own country, unless the American dream is all a lie. As for "The Squad" (what a stupid name) the rest were born here and Trump told them to return to their own countries, what a disgrace. I might add during Obama's Admin Trump did nothing but say the America sucked and that he hated it, yet he himself never left. 

 

 

 

I really don't know what you said here.

 

 

What has he accomplished. Here's a list of promises he made that I found, wanna see how many he accomplished?

 

 

I will build a wall across the Mexican border. (nope)

 

I will include a citizenship question on the 2020 Census. (nope)

 

I will order ICE to begin raids after July 4th that will deport millions of illegal aliens. (nope)

 

I will overturn Obamacare on day 1 of my presidency. (nope)

 

I will make sure no one in America loses coverage. (nope)

 

I will provide a health insurance plan that covers everybody. (nope)

 

I will do away with lines, and let insurance companies sell anywhere. (nope)

 

I will introduce a ban on federal employees lobbying the government for five years. (nope)

 

I will ban members of Congress lobbying for five years. (nope)

 

I will bring campaign finance reform limiting what foreign companies can raise for American political candidates. (nope)

 

I will ban all Muslims from entering the US. (nope)

 

I will send in the feds to “fix the horrible carnage going on” in Chicago. (nope)

 

I will appoint Jared Kushner to work to bring an end to the opioid crisis. (nope)

 

I will create a Space Force. (nope)

 

I will negotiate a nuclear free Korean peninsula. (nope)

 

I will put a 25% tariff on all Chinese imports. (nope)

 

I will get Mexico and Canada to agree to a new trade pact. (nope)

 

I will negotiate a new Mideast peace plan. (nope)

 

I will prevent Huewei from doing business in the United States. (nope)

 

I will deport more illegals than Obama ever did. (nope)

 

I will stop Iran from enriching uranium. (nope)

 

I will label China a currency manipulator. (nope)

 

I will order the Justice Dept to reopen the investigation of Hillary Clinton. (nope)

 

I will balance the federal budget 'fairly quickly'. (nope)

 

I will push for a constitutional amendment to impose term limits on all members of Congress. (nope)

 

I will bring back waterboarding. (nope)

 

I will establish a commission on radical Islam. (nope)

 

I will allow individuals to deduct health insurance payments from their taxes. (nope)

 

I will lower drug costs by making drug companies list prices in ads. (nope)

 

I will lower drug costs by cracking down on fake drug rebates. (nope)

 

I will repeal the alternative minimum tax. (nope)

 

I will cancel all funding for sanctuary cities. (nope)

 

I will release my tax returns as soon as the audit is finished. (nope)

 

I will restore faith in government and get rid of the rigged system that rewards the wealthy and well-connected at the expense of the common man. (nope)

 

 

I voted for Trump in 2016 because the alternative was Hillary Clinton. I didn't know if Trump would be a good president or not. He has proved quite capable of doing the job, and not only that, he has done it under the worst possible conditions. I will have nothing but enthusiasm to strongly vote for him once again in 2020... but Nevada is a blue state so it really won't do any good.

 

Has he proven capable though? Can you list the good things he has done that weren't temporary? Every time I see something that I think good job with ends up failing. 

 

 

Obama is a Democrat... he would use mayonnaise.

I hate mayonnaise on a burger. Feels like something a filthy Communist would use. But seriously Sean Hannity spent like a week complaining about Obama using Dijon mustard on a burger.

 

 

 

Rand Paul is questioning why we have to spend 70 billion dollars for anyone who dies in New York... oh that's right... we have to spend 70 billion dollars for anyone who dies in New York because Jon Stewart says we should. Kudos to Rand Paul.

 

 The money wasn't just for anyone who dies in New York but first responders that have health complications due to the 9/11 attacks. We can spend millions caging kids in cages but we can't take care of firefighters who are dying from a literal attack on America, cool priorities.

 

 

What things? The major complaint people had was the birth certificate which he released.

Obama has never released... Occidental College Records, Columbia College Records, Columbia Thesis Paper, Harvard College Records, Selective Service Registration, Medical Records, Illinois State Senate Schedule, Illinois State Senate Records, Law Practice Client List, Certified Copy of Original Birth Certificate, Signed Embossed Paper Certification of Live Birth, Baptism Records... and more that I can't think of.

 

I have never believed that Obama is not an American Citizen, like many others. His Mother was born in Kansas, and that alone makes him an American to me. The birth certificate that they released after Trump hammered him so hard was a fake. It was a seven layer Photoshop document... and I know this because I saw it myself when it first hit the press. I believe he never wanted the original released because it probably showed his religion as Islam... I do not know that as factual... just the most logical explanation.

 

 

Obama was neither the head of the Cia or the FBI

Dude... Obama was the President of the United States. He was head of everything, and no way would they do these things without his knowledge and consent. Joe Biden will soon be hammered about it as well... because he knew it too.

 

 

also if you want to make comparisons between Soviet Russia and Obama

I was not comparing... I was quoting. I could not in good conscience use a quote like that without giving proper credit.

 

 

he has his own secret police in the form of ICE

Either you're joking, or you're an idiot... I believe you're joking.

 

 

We all know whats on their and it is only bad for him to release it.

I agree. Making lots of money and using every loophole possible to pay the least amount of tax. You're stupid if you don't.

 

 

The people underneath him did wrong doings on the campaign. If someone I am paying does illegal stuff for my business then I am liable, that's just how it works.

Michael Cohen pled guilty to a campaign finance violation as a plea deal... that doesn't mean there was any violation whatsoever. Anyone can plead guilty of anything to avoid a more serious charge. I once pled guilty to a parking violation to avoid a speeding violation... I was not parked when I was pulled over for going 95 in a 65. Cohen was facing many years for Taxi Medallions. He took a deal, which included dropped charges and his cooperation by talking garbage about the President. That's it.

 

 

That isn't bias though, he does in fact lie every day. I can pull up many examples and they aren't even silly politician half lies. He literally says the opposite of something happened right after he said it happened this way.

So my guess is... you will not be voting for Trump in 2020?

 

 

No, they are all friends and I would be pretty happy to see all those sexual predators in jail.

We will all have to settle for Jeffrey Epstein.

 

 

I believe you missed the impact of saying "go back to your home country"

I believe you missed the impact of the entire event. AOC had essentially called Nancy Pelosi a racist. This caused quite a bit of craziness in the House. If Trump left it alone, and let it play out, Nancy would have quarantined "The Squad", and buried them in obscurity. Trump didn't want Nancy to be able to do that. He elevated "The Squad" to the headlines, and forced the House Democrats to embrace, and defend, the most hated, and stupidest, members of the House. Now they own them for the duration, and they have to defend every moronic thing they say. The only thing that happens to Trump is he gets called a racist. Wow... that's news.

 

 

What has he accomplished.

Gorsuch and Kavanaugh alone are worth the price of admission. He's not done yet.

 

 

Can you list the good things he has done that weren't temporary?

See previous posts. Don't you get sick of repeating yourself? The President can only sign into law what Congress delivers to his desk. Executive Orders will only last as long as that President holds office... unless you're a Democrat, then you use the courts to force the belief that Obama executive orders are permanent. They're not. Everything is temporary... because new people come in and change what was done before. Even Presidents are temporary. The Constitution can be amended.

 

 

I hate mayonnaise on a burger.

I hate mayonnaise period... I was joking. I would say Democrats drink Pepsi too.

 

 

The money wasn't just for anyone who dies in New York but first responders that have health complications due to the 9/11 attacks.

You may think that, but once that money is earmarked, it can go everywhere, and there's no way to stop it.

 

 

We can spend millions caging kids in cages

You mean those cages that Obama built and used himself? Of course... Trump was the first and only one. A few thousand dollars spent on ammunition would be the cheapest, and most effective way to end the problem... but we have to be suckers.

Okay gang... this is an amazing read. James Comey is in a hot tub full of shit up to his ears. He was furiously attempting to frame Trump from the beginning, when he had no cause, and no evidence. He was lying to Trump from the very start... and the entire Obama horde is all part of it. This is gonna be a whole lotta fun... Horowitz report is now due out early September. Enjoy this.

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/07/22/comey_under_scrutiny_for_own_inquiry_and_misleading_trump_119584.html

 

Also, to put something to bed once and for all, I'll post this small piece.

I don't want to see one more word about Republicans and the Steele Dossier.

 

What remains unclear is why Comey would take such extraordinary steps against a sitting president. The Mueller report concluded there was no basis for the Trump-Russia collusion conspiracy theories. Comey himself was an early skeptic of the Steele dossier -- the opposition research memos paid for by Hillary Clinton’s campaign that were the road map of collusion theories – which he dismissed as “salacious and unverified.”

I just finished watching the entire Mueller testimony... and my face feels like it's full of novocaine.

 

A total embarrassment for Democrats. Key takeaway is Robert Mueller did not write his own report. He fumbled all the way through, utterly failed to roleplay intelligence, while not saying anything of value.

 

I expect to see a new bumper sticker on the market soon... "It's not in my purview".

 

Michael Horowitz and John Durham are gonna blow their faces off.

 

 

de... Obama was the President of the United States. He was head of everything, and no way would they do these things without his knowledge and consent. Joe Biden will soon be hammered about it as well... because he knew it too.

 

 

By that logic Trump should have full control of the FBI during almost the entirety of the investigation and would be responsible for it.

 

 

 

Either you're joking, or you're an idiot... I believe you're joking.

 

 

Joking but in a black humor sort of way, ICE is acting illegally with the support of the President and the current admin. There are a dozen examples of American born citizens who never left the country that are in ICE detention facilities despite family providing birth certificates and other identification proving citizenship, and spoiler alert they are not white.

 

 

 

Michael Cohen pled guilty to a campaign finance violation as a plea deal... that doesn't mean there was any violation whatsoever. Anyone can plead guilty of anything to avoid a more serious charge. I once pled guilty to a parking violation to avoid a speeding violation... I was not parked when I was pulled over for going 95 in a 65. Cohen was facing many years for Taxi Medallions. He took a deal, which included dropped charges and his cooperation by talking garbage about the President. That's it.

 

I can see your logic here since you believe this is all a frame job, while I agree that Cohen cant be trusted in any regard there is a lot of other people and evidence that there has been tremendous wrong doing by the Trump campaign, Manafort being another example.

 

 

 

 

Obama has never released... Occidental College Records, Columbia College Records, Columbia Thesis Paper, Harvard College Records, Selective Service Registration, Medical Records, Illinois State Senate Schedule, Illinois State Senate Records, Law Practice Client List, Certified Copy of Original Birth Certificate, Signed Embossed Paper Certification of Live Birth, Baptism Records... and more that I can't think of.  

 

 Selective service I can see but any of those really matter? Also the birth certificate was checked by both the Democrats and Republicans and deemed authentic, I believe only Trump continued saying it wasn't real.

 

 

 

So my guess is... you will not be voting for Trump in 2020?

 

Unless he makes a huge turn around and starts delivering on his promises and stops repealing everything that Obama had a hand in just because he doesn't like him, no.  

 

 

 

We will all have to settle for Jeffrey Epstein.

 

 

Seriously fuck that guy.

 

 

 

I believe you missed the impact of the entire event. AOC had essentially called Nancy Pelosi a racist. This caused quite a bit of craziness in the House. If Trump left it alone, and let it play out, Nancy would have quarantined "The Squad", and buried them in obscurity. Trump didn't want Nancy to be able to do that. He elevated "The Squad" to the headlines, and forced the House Democrats to embrace, and defend, the most hated, and stupidest, members of the House. Now they own them for the duration, and they have to defend every moronic thing they say. The only thing that happens to Trump is he gets called a racist. Wow... that's news.

 

 

A racist statement usually gets you called a racist. Even if it was a political ploy, which it probably was, his tactics from day one was keep causing outrage so he can run from it. Look at the Iran stuff lately, it isn't in the news because he made a blatant racist remark. Same with the detainment centers on the border.

 

 

 

Gorsuch and Kavanaugh alone are worth the price of admission. He's not done yet.

 

 

Ahh I have a feeling that is the real reason why you support our bumbling asshole of a president.

 

 

 

See previous posts. Don't you get sick of repeating yourself? The President can only sign into law what Congress delivers to his desk. Executive Orders will only last as long as that President holds office... unless you're a Democrat, then you use the courts to force the belief that Obama executive orders are permanent. They're not. Everything is temporary... because new people come in and change what was done before. Even Presidents are temporary. The Constitution can be amended.

 

Republicans had full control until recently, and they still control the Senate. Saying his hands are tied is like me saying I cant make toast despite having a toaster, electricity and bread.

Now they are just missing the electricity but could totally get stuff passed through compromise which the GOP is less likely to do, mainly because they control the senate

 

 

 

 

I hate mayonnaise period... I was joking. I would say Democrats drink Pepsi too.

 

 

I don't like mayonnaise either, its just way too heavy. Pepsi same boat, but too sugary.

 

 

 

You may think that, but once that money is earmarked, it can go everywhere, and there's no way to stop it.

 

 

They need to have a prevention in the bill if that is the case, I haven't read it in detail but from what I have seen it only goes to the first responders and is a continuation, so if that is the case we would have already seen it. 

 

 

 

You mean those cages that Obama built and used himself? Of course... Trump was the first and only one. A few thousand dollars spent on ammunition would be the cheapest, and most effective way to end the problem... but we have to be suckers.

 

Obama did it but Trump made it Yuuuugggeee. If you look at the numbers its a tremendous difference and the care to the prisoners is less despite the costs going up. There needs to be some fiscal responsibility and the people we detain need to be treated better. I don't know about you but even with my little experience in the field I bet I could detain those people at half the cost and still provide humane conditions. Honestly the whole thing disgusts me and I worry that it sets a negative precedent that sends us down a slippery slope. I don't want to see America commit another genocide or copy Germany and the Holocaust.

 

 

 

I just finished watching the entire Mueller testimony... and my face feels like it's full of novocaine.   A total embarrassment for Democrats. Key takeaway is Robert Mueller did not write his own report. He fumbled all the way through, utterly failed to roleplay intelligence, while not saying anything of value.   I expect to see a new bumper sticker on the market soon... "It's not in my purview".   Michael Horowitz and John Durham are gonna blow their faces off.

 

 

Dude, I love that we can watch the same thing and have different opinions on it. I thought the GOP was a bit of a joke acting like defense lawyers instead of doing their jobs again, and the Democrats were basically just saying "HEY THIS WAS IN THE REPORT, RIGHT? and Mueller is like "Yes it is." 

 

For anyone who read the report nothing in here is new, and that is really disappointing considering we know the Democrats wont do anything with this information because they didn't do anything last time and the GOP wont do anything because they like having Trump in office and Russian aid. What I want to know is the Democrat game plan is. 

 

 

By that logic Trump should have full control of the FBI during almost the entirety of the investigation and would be responsible for it.

I guess you didn't read the part about Comey meeting with Obama, Biden, Rice, Johnson, and Clapper about how to bait Trump with portions of the Steele Dossier, and lying to him about the investigation. Yes... Trump has full control of his cabinet and can fire any of them, at any time, without cause or reason... including a Special Council. They serve at the pleasure of the President.

 

 

ICE is acting illegally with the support of the President and the current admin.

ICE is acting with the support of the President, the current Administration, and everyone that voted for him. Arrest warrants are issued by Judges, and executed by officers. We have courts to decide this, not reporters or activists.

 

 

Selective service I can see but any of those really matter?

None of it mattered to me. Obama was elected President twice. I fully opposed his policies, and I'm overjoyed that most of it is gone.

 

 

our bumbling asshole of a president

Your bias is showing again.

 

 

but could totally get stuff passed through compromise which the GOP is less likely to do, mainly because they control the senate

I don't see anything important that will get done through compromise... those days are gone for the foreseeable future. I doubt the Democrats will even pass the NAFTA replacement in the House, because it's a Trump deal. Immigration will not happen because we will not open the borders, or relax our already lame policies that Democrats won't even enforce now... they must be stronger. Climate Change is a nonstarter as long as it includes strangling liberty and destroying our economy. There is not enough interest to cut spending or slash entitlements, because half the country is banging drums to increase them or create a bunch of new ones.

 

What might do some good is a Constitutional Convention... not that anything will get done, or anything will get the support of two-thirds of the states to ratify... but it would expose how useless it is to keep arguing over the same issues that will never change. After that... it would be a great time for states to decide if they really want to remain within our Constitution. I believe California would have no problem at all gaining two-thirds support from the states for them to just leave.

 

 

Dude, I love that we can watch the same thing and have different opinions on it.

Mueller couldn't remember who appointed him to US Attorney. Mueller didn't know what Fusion GPS is. Mueller didn't know that the Andrew Weissman Report specifically stated that "collusion" and "conspiracy" are the same thing. The Democrats spent 5 hours trying to get Mueller to say "Trump obstructed justice and Congress should file Articles of Impeachment"... but it never happened.

 

I really wish Democrats would try impeachment again, so Trump can get another crushing win.

 

 

Mueller couldn't remember who appointed him to US Attorney. Mueller didn't know what Fusion GPS is. Mueller didn't know that the Andrew Weissman Report specifically stated that "collusion" and "conspiracy" are the same thing. The Democrats spent 5 hours trying to get Mueller to say "Trump obstructed justice and Congress should file Articles of Impeachment"... but it never happened.

 

I really wish Democrats would try impeachment again, so Trump can get another crushing win.

 

They've tried that... Three times... They just kept it quiet the first two to try and save face with a public that's losing care for the drama.

 

Lys says it all right here though. At the end of the day we learned just how much bias went into that report. It was so bad to the degree that the entire report was wrote AGAINST one of the oldest rights granted in our justice system; that someone is innocent until proven guilty.

 

To quote my favorite part of yesterday: "The one who learned the most about the Mueller Report today was Bob Mueller."

This thread is way too long and arguing politics around here is a waste of time and energy, but I just removed the following meme from my signature and it deserves attention so I’ll just leave it here.

 

Kindest regards.

Get your people to file for impeachment again... we love every time they fail.

 

The Trump campaign was framed by the Obama CIA and FBI... Horowitz report is due early September, and Durham indictments will follow shortly after. There was no crime to obstruct justice from. Draw those pistols

Krystal Ball just called out the fake news. I have seen this woman around since she ran for Congress back in 2010, she lost, but continued on as a competent liberal pundit. She landed at MSNBC for 5 years, where I would never see her again, until now.

 

I'm glad to see that some lefties still have individual thought.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=380&v=XuYO7OIYB2c

What has he accomplished.

The Supreme Court, in a 5 and a half to 3 and a half decision, just overturned a lower court injunction that had a freeze on tapped Pentagon funds for the southern border wall. This will help, but thanks to our obstructionists, it's largely too late. It does green light the project, and fulfills a campaign promise. So, scratch that one off your list. It's a big one.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/supreme-court-paves-way-for-trump-administration-to-use-military-funds-for-border-wall

 

 

ICE is acting with the support of the President, the current Administration, and everyone that voted for him. Arrest warrants are issued by Judges, and executed by officers. We have courts to decide this, not reporters or activists.

 

 

So its okay to ignore the constitution because the guy who got voted in with less than half the population said so? You dislike/hate Obama for much less.

 

 

 

Your bias is showing again.

 

And yours hasnt been? Also I have actual evidence that Trump is an asshole so even if I am bias does not change the fact.

 

 

 

I don't see anything important that will get done through compromise... those days are gone for the foreseeable future. I doubt the Democrats will even pass the NAFTA replacement in the House, because it's a Trump deal. Immigration will not happen because we will not open the borders, or relax our already lame policies that Democrats won't even enforce now... they must be stronger. Climate Change is a nonstarter as long as it includes strangling liberty and destroying our economy. There is not enough interest to cut spending or slash entitlements, because half the country is banging drums to increase them or create a bunch of new ones.   What might do some good is a Constitutional Convention... not that anything will get done, or anything will get the support of two-thirds of the states to ratify... but it would expose how useless it is to keep arguing over the same issues that will never change. After that... it would be a great time for states to decide if they really want to remain within our Constitution. I believe California would have no problem at all gaining two-thirds support from the states for them to just leave.

 

 

Most of those issues you are bringing up were inflamed by the GOP. Illegal immigration got worse under Trump when it was trending at an all time low, Climate change was agreed upon by almost every major government in the world and suddenly when money flows to the GOP its a conspiracy. Your party has been bought bro, and they keep screaming the evil democrats and California to try and distract from that fact, and use the scary left as a boogeyman so people don't ask why no one is fixing the things they should be.

 

 

 

I really wish Democrats would try impeachment again, so Trump can get another crushing win.

 

Another crushing win? Limping across the finish line isnt a crushing win, and with his current approval rating I doubt he will win unless the Democrats shoot themselves in the foot like they did with Clinton.

 

 

So its okay to ignore the constitution because the guy who got voted in with less than half the population said so? You dislike/hate Obama for much less.

Ignoring the Constitution? Are you saying that border security is unconstitutional? So, our Constitution says we have no authority to limit, monitor, or restrict immigration into the USA? I don't think so... and the guy that was voted in sets the policy, and enforces the law.

 

 

And yours hasnt been? Also I have actual evidence that Trump is an asshole so even if I am bias does not change the fact.

I am an extremely proud, very patriotic, American Republican... It's not a secret. If being an "asshole", and having evidence of "abundant assholery" was grounds for impeachment, then no one would ever be able to hold the office.

 

 

Illegal immigration got worse under Trump

Because he is the first President to seriously take on the problem... and it's awesome to see you actually use the word "illegal".

 

 

Climate change was agreed upon by almost every major government in the world

I have absolutely no trust in any government, including the US Government. I don't give a shit what they "agree" on, and I prefer a President that protects me against Global Agreements of every kind.

 

 

Your party has been bought bro

I certainly hope so… I have a lifetime of investment in the Republican Party.

 

 

and with his current approval rating I doubt he will win

Actually Donald Trump has a better approval rating than Obama had at this time of his presidency... like 3-5 points better.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/trump_approval_index_history

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

 

Nadler came out today squeaking fake news and talking all badass about subpoenas and impeachment today... just before they go on vacation for 6 weeks. You know what else happens in about 6 weeks? … The Michael Horowitz IG Report. It's gonna be fun!

For all the uproar consistently occurring regarding President Trump, Lys makes one massive point that I want to reiterate as well. A person's personality in my opinion holds little weight compared to the actions they take while in office.

 

Now after it has been clearly shown that he is not guilty (and therefore innocent) of any crimes, it is simply his personality that Congressional Democrats are attempting to use as grounds for impeachment. Personally, I like to look at the things he's done:

 

- Since the beginning of the trade war China has had its two lowest GDP growths since such statistics were recorded... Meanwhile the US Economy continues to chug along. Sure it may be nothing spectacular but last I checked the world wasn't collapsing around us as a result, and we definitely haven't had record low GDP statistics.

 

- Although there hasn't been much progress, I have seen our President attempt no less than 3 different times to have negotiations with North Korea in an attempt to get peace in a very hostile region and avoid a nuclear standoff situation.

 

- Our immigration system being consistently worked towards improvement (despite every last idea he has being blocked by a Lower Court that somehow is always California or New York). In fact Guatemala even signed an agreement that any asylum-seekers must do so there instead of just trekking straight to our border. Further, those who don't? We get to ship them off to Guatemala so they can!

 

Of course there's a bunch of other things that the administration has done or attempted to do, but these three stick out because they were what I was most interested in. Overall, what I see when I look at this is a President who has received the most atrocious and consistent hate from almost an entire party, as well as most every news outlet in the country... All because of his name and the fact that he posts his thoughts on Twitter. In reality he isn't bending to their agenda and for that they try to paint this picture of some ruthless dictator trying to destroy the country.

 

Let's just recap though that it has been 2 1/2 years since he's taken office... And I have yet to see anything but policies attempting to strengthen America.

 

 

It still shocks me that there are people buying into this Far-Left BS that continues to be spewed...

 

 

Ignoring the Constitution? Are you saying that border security is unconstitutional? So, our Constitution says we have no authority to limit, monitor, or restrict immigration into the USA? I don't think so... and the guy that was voted in sets the policy, and enforces the law.

 

 

ICE does a lot more than "border security". Like I stated before they have been detaining national born citizens saying that they came across the border, they have been opening new detention centers despite congress saying no and invading homes without warrants while lying about it. Also if the person voted in has so much sway with you then why do you always harp on Obama?

 

 

 

I am an extremely proud, very patriotic, American Republican... It's not a secret. If being an "asshole", and having evidence of "abundant assholery" was grounds for impeachment, then no one would ever be able to hold the office.

 

 

I never said being an asshole was grounds for impeachment, honestly I feel like you have to be one in order to do the job properly. However if they act in such a manner it should be for the American people, not to stroke their ego. 

 

 

 

Because he is the first President to seriously take on the problem... and it's awesome to see you actually use the word "illegal".

 

 

No, his harsher policies and us fucking with South America for so long are the cause of it. The last time there was a major crackdown albeit with less cruelty there was a surge of illegal immigration. The trends are if its easier to get work visas/citizenship there is a huge drop in illegal immigration not only because they are allowed in legally but because those who are considering it don't see it as a now or never.

 

 

 

I have absolutely no trust in any government, including the US Government. I don't give a shit what they "agree" on, and I prefer a President that protects me against Global Agreements of every kind.

 

Well I hope one day in our life times we get a president like the one you are describing here.  

 

 

 

I certainly hope so… I have a lifetime of investment in the Republican Party.

 

 

Wait... Does your last name rhyme with pudding? I kid, the GOP is mostly owned by massive corporations if there voting for the past 3 years is any indication.

 

 

 

Actually Donald Trump has a better approval rating than Obama had at this time of his presidency... like 3-5 points better. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/trump_approval_index_history http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history  

 

 

From the polls I have been looking at it is the opposite

 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html#!

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html#!

 

You were claiming that Varter Page was a FBI/CIA/... agent, a claim he is using as his defence in his trials.

Carter Page has not been charged with anything.

 

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Okay, unsure where I got that "trials" from, still doesn't stop him from invoking that defence, you parroting it while it hasn't been proven.

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Nunes tried to stick that claim on her but failed to produce any evidence

Oh I see... a sitting Congressman is lying about a former Ambassador to the United Nations. That makes a lot of sense.

 

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From the author of that memo? sure!

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Thats nice phrasing you used there, now why would all the rest not be released then?

To protect the innocent, Grand Jury testimony cannot be released to the public.

 

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Just protection of the innocent (hence we know "Individual-1" ) indeed. Please then also tell this to Trump as he publicly advocated for releasing them on multiple occasions.

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He singled out specificaly 4 woman of non-white ethnicity.

They singled themselves out... they call themselves "The Squad". They believe the color of their skin will shield them from criticism... they're wrong.

 

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He may critique them all he likes, throwing the "get back to your own country" retort is something completely different.

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Get a third or fourth or ... party for fucks sake

We have many parties... Green, Reform, Constitution, Libertarian, and many others. Voting for them means nothing.

 

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And thus you keep running into the issue of a black vs. white policy making government that is devolving into either deconstructing the previous administrations achievements OR passing things to piss of the opposition.

 

Neither is governing, neither is society building, neither is the USA worthy. Both your major parties are sick in the same bed with this!

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What "worst conditions"? GOP has the trifecta the first 2y and besides breaking stuff did diddely squad

Under a bogus investigation, relentless harassment, and 90% negative media coverage. Still presiding over the strongest economy ever, and we got two new Supremes so far... patiently waiting for the notorious RBG to cash in. Life is really good right now.

 

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Democrats can't trample on your USA values, but you just wished a SCOTUS dead. Gratz?

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Interests are at all time low

Wrong. The Federal Reserve locked rates at zero for all 8 years of Obama... because the economy sucked.

 

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It locked rates that low cause you guys were coming from a recession coupled with a housing bubble. If the economy is so good now, why is it still so far down?

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and deficit is skyrocketing

Because spending has increased, and nothing has been cut. Stupid Democrats spend first and then go hunting for scalps. They can't get it through their thick skulls that it's not their money.

 

Kind of strange that the Belgian is answering once again for DarkFox… but I'm an equal opportunity debater.

 

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Deficit is skyrocketing in the last 2 years, and you wish to blame Democrats? Okay...

 

PS. just replying to select few remarks you gave, don't see why we should campartimalize our discussions here.

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What things? The major complaint people had was the birth certificate which he released.

I have never believed that Obama is not an American Citizen, like many others. His Mother was born in Kansas, and that alone makes him an American to me. The birth certificate that they released after Trump hammered him so hard was a fake. It was a seven layer Photoshop document... and I know this because I saw it myself when it first hit the press. I believe he never wanted the original released because it probably showed his religion as Islam... I do not know that as factual... just the most logical explanation.

 

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The layers were found to be possibly made due to scanning of the original to distrubute them or copy en-masse. And you "saw it myself" how? You got the pdf directly?

 

Religion is not a line on an Hawaiian birt certificate, nether of the child nor of either parents. Claiming it was removed or edited is thus idiotic at best.

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We all know whats on their and it is only bad for him to release it.

I agree. Making lots of money and using every loophole possible to pay the least amount of tax. You're stupid if you don't.

 

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Not stupid, just morally questionable.

 

Many keep hammering on that if everyone paid their taxes with no fancy loopholes (nearly exclusive for the wealthy who don't even need it) we would all be paying less.

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What has he accomplished.

Gorsuch and Kavanaugh alone are worth the price of admission. He's not done yet.

 

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The like 10-month empty seat filler and the guy who gets mad when asked about his drinking habits in college.

 

Also fills right into the "deconstructing the previous administrations achievements OR passing things to piss of the opposition" part that is destroying your nations democracy.

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The money wasn't just for anyone who dies in New York but first responders that have health complications due to the 9/11 attacks.

You may think that, but once that money is earmarked, it can go everywhere, and there's no way to stop it.

 

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The money will fund an already excisting program which is already well looked after in case of fraud. Has fraud happended yet? Yes, and we know this cause it was found and brought before court. Can we make it fraud-proof? No, good luck with that utopia.

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We can spend millions caging kids in cages

You mean those cages that Obama built and used himself? Of course... Trump was the first and only one. A few thousand dollars spent on ammunition would be the cheapest, and most effective way to end the problem... but we have to be suckers.

 

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Indeed build and used under Obama, with strict guidelines and regulations especially about underage persons being held in them. To then aggrevate the issue and throw the regulations out the window all hapended under Trumps administration, you are blaming the arsonist for burning down your house after you yourself added petrol tanks next to his kindlings.

 

Last sentence, and people wonder where the analogy to concentration camps comes from...

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I just finished watching the entire Mueller testimony... and my face feels like it's full of novocaine.

 

A total embarrassment for Democrats. Key takeaway is Robert Mueller did not write his own report. He fumbled all the way through, utterly failed to roleplay intelligence, while not saying anything of value.

 

I expect to see a new bumper sticker on the market soon... "It's not in my purview".

 

Michael Horowitz and John Durham are gonna blow their faces off.

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our bumbling asshole of a president

Your bias is showing again.

 

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This week he fumbled possible Pakistan - India talks about Kashmir, Taliban and other tensions. So, yeah, not bumbling at all...

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What has he accomplished.

The Supreme Court, in a 5 and a half to 3 and a half decision, just overturned a lower court injunction that had a freeze on tapped Pentagon funds for the southern border wall. This will help, but thanks to our obstructionists, it's largely too late. It does green light the project, and fulfills a campaign promise. So, scratch that one off your list. It's a big one.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/supreme-court-paves-way-for-trump-administration-to-use-military-funds-for-border-wall

 

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Which they will have to dispense before octobre cause it was "marked" as a national emergency. Atleast now he would be actually building new walls instead of just claiming renovations as his own.

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And yours hasnt been? Also I have actual evidence that Trump is an asshole so even if I am bias does not change the fact.

I am an extremely proud, very patriotic, American Republican... It's not a secret. If being an "asshole", and having evidence of "abundant assholery" was grounds for impeachment, then no one would ever be able to hold the office.

 

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"deconstructing the previous administrations achievements OR passing things to piss of the opposition"

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Climate change was agreed upon by almost every major government in the world

I have absolutely no trust in any government, including the US Government. I don't give a shit what they "agree" on, and I prefer a President that protects me against Global Agreements of every kind.

 

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Excellent, Belgium hereby confiscates your nukes stockpiled on our land.

 

Also, no more "freedom of navigation" bullcrap, okay?

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- Since the beginning of the trade war China has had its two lowest GDP growths since such statistics were recorded... Meanwhile the US Economy continues to chug along. Sure it may be nothing spectacular but last I checked the world wasn't collapsing around us as a result, and we definitely haven't had record low GDP statistics.

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The one thats been steadily declining since 2010, that China GDP growth? Heck the last 4 years they stayed level at 6,6-6,9%.

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- Although there hasn't been much progress, I have seen our President attempt no less than 3 different times to have negotiations with North Korea in an attempt to get peace in a very hostile region and avoid a nuclear standoff situation.

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The state of flux that is USA-NK relations hasn't been this big since the Korean War, with lows the same as when Bush II put them in the "Axis of Evil" and highs not even close to the Six Party Talks (also Bush II). The "high" being a photo-op of Trump being led into North Korea... Lets ignore the "nice letters" hilarity that ensues every couple months. Current "low" being 2 rockets tested and fired in the direction of Japan.

 

And lets not forget, when Obama had his go the Republicans were on their hind legs

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- Our immigration system being consistently worked towards improvement (despite every last idea he has being blocked by a Lower Court that somehow is always California or New York). In fact Guatemala even signed an agreement that any asylum-seekers must do so there instead of just trekking straight to our border. Further, those who don't? We get to ship them off to Guatemala so they can!

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Yeah, that agreement is trash cause Guatemala'n supreme court struck it down (2 weeks ago!).

 

 

 

 

 

I hate >100F weather

Jesus Christ... I have to reply to both of you.

 

ICE does a lot more than "border security".

I hope so.

Like I stated before they have been detaining national born citizens saying that they came across the border

I'm sure there's more to the story than what you're hearing. I'll trust ICE and the courts to sort it out. They're trained for it.

they have been opening new detention centers despite congress saying no

I really have no idea if they're opening new detention centers. I don't care. They should open as many as they need to deal with the problem. What do you want them to do? If you want to let thousands of people to just walk into the USA... you're insane. It's like 9/11/01 didn't happen in your world. Also, a welfare state cannot have an open border policy... we won't have a country anymore. I think we should close the border until Mexico ends the migration... it would take about 3 minutes for Mexico to shut it all down.

Also if the person voted in has so much sway with you then why do you always harp on Obama?

I don't harp on Obama... he's not the President. Trump is the President, and you harp on him.

Wait... Does your last name rhyme with pudding? I kid, the GOP is mostly owned by massive corporations if there voting for the past 3 years is any indication.

I don't get the "pudding" thing. The GOP does not benefit from Apple, Google, Facebook, or Amazon. We do benefit from all Americans that refuse to bend over to Socialists.

From the polls I have been looking at it is the opposite

It's best to put your faith in a single polling company that has a history of accurate polling, but go ahead and do what you're doing.

It's gonna be so hysterical to watch when Trump is reelected.

From the author of that memo? sure!

There must be something seriously wrong with you. Devin Nunes didn't just make it up. Samantha Power unmasked hundreds of Americans tied to the Trump campaign. She claims that she didn't do it, that her subordinates used her name. She's lying.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/samantha-power-sought-to-unmask-americans-on-almost-daily-basis-sources-say

And thus you keep running into the issue of a black vs. white policy making government that is devolving into either deconstructing the previous administrations achievements OR passing things to piss of the opposition.

Belgian opinion noted. We will take care of things here in the USA.

but you just wished a SCOTUS dead. Gratz?

She can retire... or die... I don't care. Those are the ways the Supremes vacate their seats. Reminds me of all those kind words from the left when Antonin Scalia died. I feel exactly the same about RBG. It will be so sweet to replace her.

If the economy is so good now, why is it still so far down?

Higher rates slow down economic growth, but they also slow down inflation. I myself would like to see higher rates with strong growth, because I like to see our dollar worth something... but right now I'll settle for growth. It's been a long time coming.

Deficit is skyrocketing in the last 2 years, and you wish to blame Democrats? Okay...

There is no appetite for spending cuts in Washington right now. No one wants another shut down.

And you "saw it myself" how? You got the pdf directly?

They posted the document as soon as they received it... it was a seven layer Photoshop document. I'm not kidding.

Religion is not a line on an Hawaiian birt certificate

Do you know what was on a birth certificate in 1960? I know what is on my birth certificate from 1959... my religion is listed as "Protestant". I have no problem with Obama... anymore. I don't care, I'm just telling you what I know.

Also fills right into the "deconstructing the previous administrations achievements OR passing things to piss of the opposition" part that is destroying your nations democracy.

Belgian opinion noted.

Excellent, Belgium hereby confiscates your nukes stockpiled on our land.

Nope... we would set them off to keep them from falling into the wrong hands.

Also, no more "freedom of navigation" bullcrap, okay?

Sure... we have much bigger guns.

I hate >100F weather

That's why none of my children live in Las Vegas.

 

 

I hope so.

 

 

Since a lot of it is super scummy, I would argue that you shouldn't hope that. 

 

 

 

I'm sure there's more to the story than what you're hearing. I'll trust ICE and the courts to sort it out. They're trained for it.

 

 

save for the anti-drug division of ICE they are nothing more than bullies with guns. I will also reiterate that they have been wrongfully detaining American citizens. 

 

 

 

I really have no idea if they're opening new detention centers. I don't care. They should open as many as they need to deal with the problem. What do you want them to do? If you want to let thousands of people to just walk into the USA... you're insane. It's like 9/11/01 didn't happen in your world. Also, a welfare state cannot have an open border policy... we won't have a country anymore. I think we should close the border until Mexico ends the migration... it would take about 3 minutes for Mexico to shut it all down.

 

A massive land border like that would be impossible to close. Most illegal immigration comes via airplane, and all the 9/11 attackers came via airplane. It would literally cost us more money to build, maintain and guard a closed border than just making all these people citizens. 

 

 

 

I don't harp on Obama... he's not the President. Trump is the President, and you harp on him.

 

It is every American's duty to question their leadership, that is the core principle set forth by our Founding Fathers.

 

 

 

I don't get the "pudding" thing. The GOP does not benefit from Apple, Google, Facebook, or Amazon. We do benefit from all Americans that refuse to bend over to Socialists.

 

 

Oil, telcom, coal, medical, to name a few. You and I don't benefit at all by having private healthcare, internet or education, so maybe just maybe the socialists have one or two things correct.

 

 

 

It's best to put your faith in a single polling company that has a history of accurate polling, but go ahead and do what you're doing.

 

 

so looking at multiple locations that cover more people is worse than going towards one that might have bias but since they are old its okay?

 

 

 

 

It's gonna be so hysterical to watch when Trump is reelected.

 

 

If that happens I am certain we are some sort of bad reality TV show for aliens.

 

 

It is every American's duty to question their leadership, that is the core principle set forth by our Founding Fathers.

The core principle set forth by our Founding Fathers is the duty of every American to question our leadership?

That's it? That's your core principle? That's the phrase burned into the wood sign on your wall?

 

What god awful idiot told you that? The USA has a history, and it's an amazing story of dreams, despair, and achievement. Our history must be preserved and passed down to our sons and daughters. The USA is the single greatest, most successful, most wealthy nation ever to grace the planet Earth... and it has been bought and paid for in blood. It is not yours to give away.

 

It is the duty of every American to preserve and protect the Republic. That's the core principle set forth by our Founding Fathers.