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[Lord MK]

Pretty sure if Tracker/Watcher targets a commuter it will return "No Result", the same thing they will get if they target a Vanilla

Which is why I said Commuter is a convenient claim for a mafia goon

And the reason I asked if you have a restriction is because Commuter that could commute every night is unusual

Most Commuters cannot Commute each Night. Instead, they generally have Odd-Night or Even-Night modifiers attached. Alternatively, they may be X-Shot and need to choose if they want to Commute each Night.

A commuter with restriction is expected. Not sure why you're so defensive about it

1) no. Tracker/watcher when visiting someone who hasn't visited anyone or vanilla with no night action. They would get "Didn't visit anyone" or something like that. The mod is required to clearly state whether the target moved or not.
No result is reserved for occasions when the investigation couldn't be carried out in the first place. Like in the case of a commuter or roleblocker blocking the tracking.


2) no one should ask a commuter when their restrictions are.
That's like giving scum an open invite to kill the player on the night they don't commute.
Or you are trying to find that information for yourself.

[brewersalliance]

I know I'm not gonna convince lyner to remove his vote from me since he's most likely scum but hopefully I can convince other people to vote for him.

I'd take my vote off lily and vote for lyner tbh if that wouldn't be potential suicide, since it would put me in a position to be lynched

[Lord MK]

Here is how we photosynthesise:
A day 1 joke vote shouldn’t warrant a lynch

Finally something sensible from Tony.

[Lord MK]

Vote: Lyner


Unofficial Vote Count

lilweirdward (3): Brewers, Tony, Finster
Brewersalliance (3): KevinH, Robert, Lyner
Lyner (1): Lord MK
Finster Baby (0):
KevinH (0):
Lord MK (0):
Robert2424 (0):
Tony Maurice (0):
Torres51 (0):
Wolfpacks (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not Voting: lilweirdward, Torres51, Wolfpacks

With 10 players alive it take 6 to lynch or 3 at deadline.
Deadline will be at 12:00PM CN Server time on Friday, June 19th.

Atm, Lily is going to be deadline lynched.
As brewers had already voted for lww right after Kevin voted for brewers.
And finster had voted for lilywad before lyner voted for brewers.

[lilweirdward]

I will reiterate, probably to my own detriment, that I believe brewers is town. Specifically I believe brewers' role claim.

I still have no idea how Torres and Robert are getting off scot free. Within 3 minutes of realizing people were buying into brewers' supposed hint, Torres turned it into a bandwagon, and 4 minutes later Robert was in too. I stayed on to try to interrogate Velocity more (which would be a weird and pointless thing to do if I were scum), but both of them dropped off, confident that they had their lynch. Robert even helped get the next train going by voting for brewers right off the bat, and Torres sure seems happy to "deliberate" about his vote between me and brewers. Trying to not make it obvious that you two are working together, maybe?

[brewersalliance]

While Torres and Robert should def get some attention, I think lyner is the right call for today.

If it doesn't put me in danger of a Lynch im gonna be switching my vote to lyner.
You got all my attention for being the most active after the vote and u had chances to take the vote off velocity.

However, I read back and u did post multiple times saying you think lynching someone d1 is better than a no Lynch so keeping your vote does make a bit more sense to me now

[Lyner]

Well now that's putting a lot of words in my mouth

 

 

There is no restriction whatsoever? You can commute every night?

 

 

That's it. That's the question. A simple "lol why would I reveal that" would suffice

 

 

Also @MK bonus scum points for you

 https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Tracker

Some moderators return no result when the Tracker's target does not go anywhere at Night; this is indistinguishable from the message that would be received if the Tracker was Roleblocked. However, this is not Normal and tends to be seen in role madness games as a means of introducing more confusion.

 

 

[Finster Baby]

Huge FOS at Lyner.

 

In fact, I'll take it one step further:

 

UNVOTE (I can't remember if I voted or just FOS'ed.  Just being safe)

 

VOTE:  Lyner

 

Digging for a odd/even qualifier = scum

[Lyner]

Huge FOS at Lyner.

 

In fact, I'll take it one step further:

 

UNVOTE (I can't remember if I voted or just FOS'ed.  Just being safe)

 

VOTE:  Lyner

 

Digging for a odd/even qualifier = scum

 

He's roleclaiming a convenient role when being pressed and I'm questioned him. He overreacted which led to more suspicion.

 

Commuter is known to have restrictions. I don't question him on "what" his restriction is. I'm asking if he "has" restrictions, just like usual commuters.

 

Now that he's the target he quickly drops his suspicion on lilweirdward. Scum much?

[Finster Baby]

Oh I'm still suspicious of lilweirdward, robert, tony and torres.  But you're now top of the list with your outright announcement that you're scum.

[lilweirdward]

Oh I'm still suspicious of lilweirdward, robert, tony and torres. But you're now top of the list with your outright announcement that you're scum.

Can we clarify who you don't think scum is? Because I have a feeling it'll be a much shorter and more interesting list than who you've pointed a finger at so far this game.

[Lyner]

Let me fetch the stuffs so you guys don't get fooled by scums' narratives

 

Here's brewers RC:

 

I am Agent Elena "Yo Yo" Rodriguez, a commuter.
Each night I may chose to leave the Shield HQ to avoid being targeted.

N0 I replied to late to use my ability so I did not commute

N1 I commuted. So if anyone investigated me they probably got no result or something like that.

 

This is basically saying that he can commute every night. I don't buy it that a townie gets that kind of powerful ability.

 

So either he's a town commuter with restrictions but tried to hide it, or he's scum lying about his RC.

[Wolfpacks]

Now we are getting somewhere, we do seem to be centering on brewers, 3 of the people that voted for velocity are on his wagon, i had my suspicions of Kevin, now add Robert and Lyner. Still not ready to vote but it won't be for one of the wagons we have now

[brewersalliance]

Let me fetch the stuffs so you guys don't get fooled by scums' narratives

 

Here's brewers RC:

 

I am Agent Elena "Yo Yo" Rodriguez, a commuter.
Each night I may chose to leave the Shield HQ to avoid being targeted.

N0 I replied to late to use my ability so I did not commute

N1 I commuted. So if anyone investigated me they probably got no result or something like that.

 

This is basically saying that he can commute every night. I don't buy it that a townie gets that kind of powerful ability.

 

So either he's a town commuter with restrictions but tried to hide it, or he's scum lying about his RC.

Whats there to be confused about?  I may have restrictions, I may not have restrictions.  Telling everyone only benefits the scum.  Why on earth would I go "hey I can commute on even days but I cant on odd days so kill me then"

 

And just a reminder, Lyner was pressing for EVERYONE to name claim to find out what EVERYONE's roles are.  That is something scum would do, not town

 

Here's an idea:   There's evidence that someone's role might be related to their character role (Ghostrider - Arsonist)   Want to reveal names? 

 

 

I think this is the most telling scum sign he has made.  Pressing for pretty much everyone to state what their character names are in order to figure out who the power roles are, when there is zero reason for pretty much everyone to role claim is beyond scummy.    

[brewersalliance]

Also here is lyner directing contradicting himself

 

I don't question him on "what" his restriction is.

 

 

so what did he actually say?

 

You can commute every night?

 

Sounds a lot like him trying to figure out "what" my restrictions are/when I am restricted to me...

deadline is friday so I am not too worried that I am gonna be putting myself in more danger here

 

unvote

 

Vote Lyner 

[Lord MK]

Whoa whoa.
You are calling me scum now?

You are really desperate to get out of the spotlight, aren't you?

Most mods and that includes tw, will say "didn't visit anyone"
I have did it in my games, brewers have did it in his. And i am fairly sure that TW uses the same result texts.


Also, yeah.
You were trying to fish for everyone's role, weren't you?

Having made the connection that character names are linked to the role.
You knew that by asking to reveal names, you were trying to figure out who's who.


Also, why do you care about his restrictions.
That's really trying to fish.
He said that he's a commuter.
You could have questioned whether that makes all actions immune or not.
Or whether the character name is linked to commuting.
But no, you really wanted to know when he can be targeted for the kill.

[Finster Baby]

 

Oh I'm still suspicious of lilweirdward, robert, tony and torres. But you're now top of the list with your outright announcement that you're scum.

Can we clarify who you don't think scum is? Because I have a feeling it'll be a much shorter and more interesting list than who you've pointed a finger at so far this game.

 

Sure.  I'm the only one I'm certain isn't scum. 

 

Everyone can have what they say twisted into a scum tell. My top scum suspects are still Velocity's bandwagon, along with Robert.  However Lyner gets my vote for reasons already stated.  I believe Brewer's roleclaim and I lean towards MK being town.

 

That's all you'll get.  Lynch me at the town's peril.

[Lord MK]

Lilyqad, you made the baby sad.
Shame on you.

[brewersalliance]

For the record on some more misinformation from Lyner:  

 

Well now that's putting a lot of words in my mouth

 

 

There is no restriction whatsoever? You can commute every night?

 

 

That's it. That's the question. A simple "lol why would I reveal that" would suffice

 

 

Also @MK bonus scum points for you

 https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Tracker

Some moderators return no result when the Tracker's target does not go anywhere at Night; this is indistinguishable from the message that would be received if the Tracker was Roleblocked. However, this is not Normal and tends to be seen in role madness games as a means of introducing more confusion.

 

from the wiki:  

 

A Watcher that learns who a player was targeted by during the night is considered Normal on mafiascum.net. If a Watcher is somehow blocked from their action (by Roleblocker, Jailkeeper, Rolestopper, Ascetic, or Commuter), they should receive a "No Result" pm, rather than a "did not see anything" pm. A Watcher would not see a Ninja committing a kill, however, and would receive a "did not see anything" pm in that case.

 

and now a direct example for how TW has modded trackers/watchers in the pas.  In the IRON mafia game (great scum win Rhizo and WP <3) 

 

For reference, the message I receive if I was to target someone and receive no results is "Did not see anything". 

 

[Lord MK]

Also you didn't quote the entire mafia scum wiki.
You deliberately decided to post just the part you wanted.

Edit: this is meant for lyner