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[Dontavian]

Who was the other vig?

TM as Euron Greyjoy....a day vig killed on N1

[Dontavian]

Ok, it's time to lynch Torres

You know what happens when Torres and vigs gets mixed together?
A lot of aimless destruction.

We seen it happen already.
And honestly I'm not sure why people think that he is going to change this time around.

So, we’re back to lynch Torres or not basically. Lord MK has been steadfast in his conviction that Torres must go...even though Torres RCd and says he’s Town. That may imply an anti-Town agenda by LMK. 
Another question: those that thought there were 2 Scum factions PLUS a SK, has the SK angle changed to it was Vig activity? So the set up was 2 Vigs and 2 Scum groups?

[lilweirdward]

if I kill someone, Brewers will publicly announce it, so now I have to have a VALID reason to kill someone

LOL that's hysterical if true. Good on brewers for trying to make you play at least kind of seriously.

Another question: those that thought there were 2 Scum factions PLUS a SK, has the SK angle changed to it was Vig activity? So the set up was 2 Vigs and 2 Scum groups?

Hmm, I thought the leading theories were that it was either 2 scum groups or 1 scum group + SK. Either way, Torres essentially claimed to have not shot anyone yet, so he doesn't change the calculus a ton except that there are potentially more killing factions out there than had an impact last night.

[The Warrior]

There were 2 deaths last night. Assuming Torres is telling the truth about his role it doesn’t sound like he shot anyone and the other Vig was a day Vig so he couldn’t have either. It seems highly likely that we are talking about at least a mafia faction and a SK still.

[Dontavian]

So, an advantage to keeping Torres, a day vig and allegedly Town, is if we learn of multiple scum identities, we lynch one and the town vig gets the other. It’s an advantage FOR Town. 

[Torres951]

So, an advantage to keeping Torres, a day vig and allegedly Town, is if we learn of multiple scum identities, we lynch one and the town vig gets the other. It’s an advantage FOR Town. 

I'm not a day vig. I can only kill someone at night

[Ali bin Turban]

I believe Torres too. One doesn't come up with "Jamie Lannister" name if he wants to make a fake claim.
And given Cersei's allignment, hes likely to be town too.

About Wolfpack one one hand its understandable people will have time shortages.
On the other hopping in from time to time to post " I'm still on" is not enough contribution.
Given lynch requirement, Torres revelation leaves us with Wolfpack/ Tony as primary targets.

[lilweirdward]

I believe Torres too. One doesn't come up with "Jamie Lannister" name if he wants to make a fake claim.
And given Cersei's allignment, hes likely to be town too.

I will say that brewers is well known to use lead characters as mafia safe claims. He did it in his last game making Joe Exotic the safe claim for his Tiger King game. With how obvious he's made it that the Lannisters are town aligned, I wouldn't be surprised at all if he gave Torres Jaimie as a safe claim. Vig is relatively convenient for scum too.

I don't want anyone to out themselves unnecessarily, but it'd be interesting to know if someone followed or tracked Torres and could verify his claim. If he did shoot someone last night , especially someone who died, then that'd poke some serious holes in his story.

[Ali bin Turban]

And one more thing, Torres. Please avoid shooting anyone unless being very, very sure about someone being scum (and I realy mean 100% positive on the fact, not just thinking someone might be a scum)

Just one missed shot and dead townie can prevent us from having another day and cost us the game.

[Ali bin Turban]

Right, lilweirdward, youre correct. I forgot about existence of safe claims (havent played mafia for so long). We still cant be sure about him.

[Lord MK]

No my determination is not whether or not he's town.
It's because he has a potential killing role either way.

And my problem is that his track record is that he has a tendency to take a look at a bad situation and make it worse.

[brewersalliance]

Vote Count 2.1

• ABT 
• Canik
• Dontavian
• Ferastical
• Finster Baby
• KevinH
• Lyner 
• MK
• Nadarr
• Rafay 
• STP
• TW (3) KevinH, Tony
• Tony
• Torres951 (3) LWW, MK,  STP
• Velocity 
• Wolfpacks (2) Dontavtian, ABT
• lilweirrdwad

Not Voting:  Canik, Ferastical, Finster Baby,Lyner,Nadarr, Rafay,TW, Torresm Velocity, Wolfpacks,

 

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch or 5 at deadline.  

Deadline is 8/4 at 9am CN time

[Dontavian]

 

So, an advantage to keeping Torres, a day vig and allegedly Town, is if we learn of multiple scum identities, we lynch one and the town vig gets the other. It’s an advantage FOR Town. 

I'm not a day vig. I can only kill someone at night

 

Oops, sorry. Night Vig

I believe Torres too. One doesn't come up with "Jamie Lannister" name if he wants to make a fake claim.
And given Cersei's allignment, hes likely to be town too.

About Wolfpack one one hand its understandable people will have time shortages.
On the other hopping in from time to time to post " I'm still on" is not enough contribution.
Given lynch requirement, Torres revelation leaves us with Wolfpack/ Tony as primary targets.

For now, leaving my vote on Wolfpack’s for this reason. As for activity, velocity and Nadarr haven’t weighed in on the discussion in a while 

[Ali bin Turban]

Activity meter: (first number is total, second is past 9 days timeframe - which was the closest to the D2 beginning I was able to find)

 

Lord MK    49    30

Dontavian    27    22

Torres951    31    21

lilweirdward    34    17

Finster Baby    18    16

Ali bin Turban    14    14

SealTeamPi    16    13

Canik    15    13

The Warrior    14    13

Velocity    25    9

KevinH    13    9

Rafay    12    9

Ferastical    12    9

Lyner    11    7

Nadarr    13    6

Wolfpacks    6    3

 

I'm not including Tony, since he's is a replacement so it's not fair to judge him by postcount.

[Finster Baby]

/me ponders Ali's post.

[Lyner]

I'd trust torres for now, just because the RC is Jaime and it's very specific:

 

if I kill someone, Brewers will publicly announce it

 

 

No my determination is not whether or not he's town.
It's because he has a potential killing role either way.

And my problem is that his track record is that he has a tendency to take a look at a bad situation and make it worse.

Him having killing power would pressure scum to get rid of him

 

 

 

Tony just got in, so unless Wolfpack can weigh in,

 

Vote: Wolfpack

[lilweirdward]

Unvote

I think leaving Torres to his own devices is dangerous but it's not fair to punish him. Second chances are a good thing for the iron mafia community lol.

Honestly I have no idea what to do now. It seems like everyone has at least met the vote threshold for the day, and there are no good scum leads at all anymore.

How does trial by combat work again? Deadline is tomorrow morning so it's looking like a decent possibility that we're headed for one.

[brewersalliance]

How does trial by combat work again? Deadline is tomorrow morning so it's looking like a decent possibility that we're headed for one.

 

READ THE OP

 

If no player reaches a half majority by the deadline, the player with the highest vote count will be subject to a trial by combat. The god's will determine his/her guilt or innocence.

  

[The Warrior]

I’m not taking Torres’ name claim at face value due to the possibility of scum receiving safe claims. As far as his role goes, we might be able to verify that if/when he kills someone depending on how Brewers announces it. I concur with ABT though and think that Torres should refrain from pulling the trigger unless he has something concrete to go off of.

It seems like Wolfpacks might be the better option for today given the fact that deadline is tomorrow morning and he hasn’t been able to contribute much so far.

Vote: Wolfpacks

[Lord MK]

Well, after analysing the votecount brewers just posted.

D1

D34brignger (10) KevinH, Tony, LWW, Ferastical, STP, nadarr, Dontavian, MK, Torres

There's 9 people on this wagon. The vote count is 10.
"With 20 alive it takes 11 to lynch"
So there's a double voter for sure.
Plus an additional hated modifier on Death.
Which indicates that brewers is not fully revealing modifiers.

D2

Now the vote count just posted.
TW (3) KevinH, Tony

There's a double voter here as well.
And i don't know if it's coincidence or a sith and his prodigy voting back to back.
But both Kevin and Tony were on both the wagons and exactly behind each other in the same order.

And there has been just 3 votecounts from brewers, 1 at d2's end and one each on d1 and d2.
So there's a lack of clues from that end.

So one among Kevin and Tony is a double voter.
who among you two wants to come forward?😊