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[Robert2424]

Still. Unless a JOAT comes out all that is a moot points. I lingering feeling is that JOATs won't claim unless they think they have scum. Any other information that they have that they have could eventually be lost if they find nothing concrete. So it's a waiting game with VT's stuck in the middle hoping that the JOAT's are competent.

[Ali bin Turban]

First off, I don’t think anyone needs to actually justify why they voted for Tony. His actions warranted the votes against him. I’m not surprised he ended up being town but he also deserved the votes he got based off of in game actions. Having said that, there probably was at least one scum in there somewhere but this would also be an easy place for the majority of scum to stay away from while town kills town.

 

 

Nope. Every action has to be accounted for. We got only 4 lynch chances in this game and cant let it slide. Because of your "justification" attitude (and previously Velocity's) I'm more convinced that scum were instigators of this lynch. They got perfect excuse presented and all they needed to do was to make sure that Tony gets enough attention and his wagon starts rolling. 

[Ali bin Turban]

About JOATs, no surprise they didn't come out. As I've mentioned before for those 3 nights they had like 20-something% cumulative chance to uncover scum. Now they have only around 35% for the next 3. We can't really depend on them.

 

 

I wasnt inactive I just choose not to vote, looked like my choice was right, so before you choose to lynch a so called inactive I suggest you look closely at the 7 who did vote first

If you're town, then you can't sit and wait for the results. You're part of investigation team. So what do you see, when you look closely at those 7?

 

So, Wolfpacks, you're not interested in sharing your insight on those 7? 

 

I wasnt inactive I just choose not to vote, looked like my choice was right, so before you choose to lynch a so called inactive I suggest you look closely at the 7 who did vote first

If you're town, then you can't sit and wait for the results. You're part of investigation team. So what do you see, when you look closely at those 7?

 

So, Wolfpacks, you're not interested in sharing your insight on those 7? 

[Wolfpacks]

Yeah I will just need to grammarise it lol

[Robert2424]

Yeah. ABT has a point. Considering JOAT's will only wait till its 100 % certainty to get scum, that they likely any information they'll probably never reveal till its too little to late. so we have to go off the information we do have. We have 2 of nothing much and early ending the day for no lynches and the lynch of yesterday. That is it because people are too afraid to come out of there shell. I'm one of the few willing to make some conversation and not just go for the easiest vote there ever was. The kills have to be considered clues along with the no kill last night. Its a bit naive to not look at either the wagon that formed yesterday and who wasn't one it, or the kills, or lack of kill yesterday. 

 

Everybody should have a feeling on somebody. Even if its a guess and make a scum list. In fact I would like everybody to submit one. I really don't care if you pick a name out of a hat, just give town something. You dying without you opinion being heard could hurt the town, so its in the town interest everybody dose it. 

[Lyner]

Lyner, weren't you the one who accused brewers, Finster, me and tw of being scum? That's 4 people, btw.

 

 

 

 

Never mentioned TW directly, stop lying MK

 

Why is exactly you behave every time you are scum Which is how you behaved in the infamous greening game of tw, and we caught you even then. And you have acted like Rafay every time you are scum.

 

 

 

lol this is literally the same reaction when I voted brewers on the first day: basically OMGUS for voting you and bringing past games

 

which means you don't have actual reasons to vote me

 

 

First off, I don’t think anyone needs to actually justify why they voted for Tony.

 

 

It's not only about who voted on Tony, but also how they voted.

 

Brewers started the wagon on Tony by saying that he voted him on principle, then proceed to do nothing for the rest of the day

 

MK did the same a few posts later, later defending FB when his vote tied with Tony

 

FB also did the same

 

They voted within 24 hours of day 3 and didn't even unvote/change vote for the rest of the day. This doesn't look normal to me.

 

If I were a clueless townie I'd hate vote Tony sure, but I will only do so after I'm certain that there's no better target.

 

 

Not claiming that all 3 of them are 100% scums, but pretty sure at least one of them is scum.

[Lord MK]

Oh wow.
That's new.
Lyner telling me to stop lying.

Also regarding your comment that i got no actual reasons.
No one has any concrete evidence that anyone is scum, except the Joats who are pretty much unlikely to catch scum.
So all votes are more about vibes than solid evidence in this game.

I feel you are scummy, cause of your attempts to murk the waters, by throwing accusations left and right.
You tried to lynch brewers, that backfired.
Yesterday, you tried lynching finster that backfired.
Today, it's me.

If you really think the 3 of us are scum, you should be consistent.
That is, if you think brewers is scum, you should have kept on pressuring him until he either cracks or he convinces you.
Neither of that happened, yet you are not voting for him anymore.
You were convinced that finster is scum yesterday, but you stopped chasing him yesterday itself.

Basically, you are trying hard to lynch people, but you are afraid of pushing too hard, as you are afraid as soon as we flip town, you are going under the hammer the very next day.
Being afraid of pursuing your targets is a scum feeling,
Townies are obligated to push and not let go off their targets till they either RC or gets lynched.

So if you really were convinced that we 3 are scum, you should have stuck with your first target, brewers.
Not give up immediately after he pushed back.
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But there's another possibility you didn't consider.
Say, 1st Joat saves a VT.
On the same night, the 2nd Joat could have used doc action on a mafia goon.
So yes, they are probably townie.
But that doesn't mean we should exonerate them completely.

Also there's something else that i have just confirmed with Kevin.

The motion detection action result message in case of a positive hit.
"Actions were performed either by or on that player"
What that means is,
1st Joat uses motion detection on player A.

2nd Joat uses any action on player A
Or Player A commits a kill. Or both.
Or player A is the other Joat.

The same message would be sent to the 1st Joat, in all these cases.

Sounds interesting

So Joats need to be even more careful about piecing together their leads.

[Finster Baby]

I have said several times that if there were evidence of a better target than Tony I would have changed my vote.

 

Right now Lyner, you're the one acting scummiest to me.  Rafay is second, basically because he didn't vote and his reasoning is rather weak.

 

I lean towards AbT, Robert, MK, and TW as being town.  I don't have a great read on anyone else yet.

 

Kevin:  First page needs an update as to who died etc.

[Rafay]

Rafay is second, basically because he didn't vote and his reasoning is rather weak.

 

I have no words. 

[Ali bin Turban]

You tried to lynch brewers, that backfired. Yesterday, you tried lynching finster that backfired. Today, it's me.

 

 

How exactly did Lyners voting backfire? Did I miss something happening?

 

So if you really were convinced that we 3 are scum, you should have stuck with your first target, brewers. Not give up immediately after he pushed back.

 

 

How do you know he's really convinced, when as you say yourself "all votes are more about vibes than solid evidence in this game"? Why would someone be forced to stick with one target when each day may bring new vibes and readings of participants?

[Ali bin Turban]

Deadline is closing and we can't end day with no lynch, so we need to start voting. Even though most probably there are scum on Tony's wagon, I think they may also hide among non-voters.

Out of them Wolfpacks look the most suspicious to me. He didn't share his reasons and all he said in his defence, was to look at the Tony's wagon instead. I asked him twice about his view on the mentioned wagon, but he's avoiding answer.

 

vote Wolfpacks 

[Finster Baby]

 

Rafay is second, basically because he didn't vote and his reasoning is rather weak.

 

I have no words. 

 

Which is exactly why you're on my list.

[KevinH]

Vote Count:

Lord MK (1): Lyner,
Lyner (1): Lord MK, 
Wolfpacks (1): Ali bin Turban,
Rafay (0):  
Finster Baby (0):
brewersalliance (0): 
The Warrior (0):
Robert2424 (0):  
ghaws (0):
Ferastical (0):
Ali bin Turban (0):
Velocity (0):

No Lynch (0):

 

Not Voting: Velocity, Rafay, Wolfpacks, brewersalliance, Finster Baby, Ferastical, ghaws, The Warrior, Robert2424,

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch or 4 at deadline.
Deadline is Tuesday, September 15 at 16:00 EDT.

[Lord MK]

You tried to lynch brewers, that backfired. Yesterday, you tried lynching finster that backfired. Today, it's me.

How exactly did Lyners voting backfire? Did I miss something happening?

So if you really were convinced that we 3 are scum, you should have stuck with your first target, brewers. Not give up immediately after he pushed back.

How do you know he's really convinced, when as you say yourself "all votes are more about vibes than solid evidence in this game"? Why would someone be forced to stick with one target when each day may bring new vibes and readings of participants?

Backfired in the sense, after brewers retaliated against him, people started voting for lyner.

He says that he's convinced we are scum.
You are saying each day we get new reads, that's true
But lyner hasn't changed his reads.
He still suspect the sane 3 people he did when the game opened.
So he still suspect all 3 of us are scum.
But he is too afraid to go after brewers and he has been unlucky with Finster.
So he comes after me.
Especially now that brewers is not active.
So the only one calling him out on his bs is just me. So he's just trying to make as much use of the opportunity he got from brewer's absence to lynch me.


And he has been convinced that we 3 are Scum right from the off.
Basically he's not convinced that we are scum
But he wants us to be.
Cause only then can he justify his hard-on for Lynching us.
Finster for his actions in brewer's game.
Brewers for tw's game.
Me for well, every single game we have played together.

So this is a case of personal grudges than any scumhunting.
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Deadline is closing and we can't end day with no lynch, so we need to start voting. Even though most probably there are scum on Tony's wagon, I think they may also hide among non-voters.
Out of them Wolfpacks look the most suspicious to me. He didn't share his reasons and all he said in his defence, was to look at the Tony's wagon instead. I asked him twice about his view on the mentioned wagon, but he's avoiding answer.

vote Wolfpacks

This kinda makes sense.
Then again, WP always does this.
But he can use that reasoning that he always does to hide when he finally becomes scum.

[Lyner]

Not changing my mind is simply another lie. Remember I accused ghaws for defending Brewers?

 

Also how about you actually replying to the accusation MK? Any thoughts on Brewers & FB, or more generally the Tony wagon yesterday?

 

 

First off, I don’t think anyone needs to actually justify why they voted for Tony.

 

 

It's not only about who voted on Tony, but also how they voted.

 

Brewers started the wagon on Tony by saying that he voted him on principle, then proceed to do nothing for the rest of the day

 

MK did the same a few posts later, later defending FB when his vote tied with Tony

 

FB also did the same

 

They voted within 24 hours of day 3 and didn't even unvote/change vote for the rest of the day. This doesn't look normal to me.

 

If I were a clueless townie I'd hate vote Tony sure, but I will only do so after I'm certain that there's no better target.

 

Not claiming that all 3 of them are 100% scums, but pretty sure at least one of them is scum.

[ghaws]

FR i have 2 questions rn

 @abt what happened to the wagon against rafay?

 

@lyner any reasoning for backing down from the finister wagon?

[Velocity]

Personally I’m starting to feel like either MK or Lyner is one of our scum. They’ve been at it for too long.

Though, I don’t have the same feeling that Lyner has about brewers and FB, brewers especially seems pretty town to me. He usually likes to play his way and do what he thinks best, and it works. I’d argue he’s one of the better mafia players we have.

[Ali bin Turban]

FR i have 2 questions rn
 @abt what happened to the wagon against rafay?
 

There was no wagon against Rafay, just me voting. He's my default lurking target, unless more convincing options appear.
So if I may ask, where are you going with that question?

[Ali bin Turban]

I took a look at Wolfpacks history. Last day he initialy voted on Finster, when Tonys wagon was in the lead. However he unvoted as soon as both wagons got equal number of votes, with following comment:

Unvote

Im starting to buy in with Robert here about brewers and im getting very suspicious of TM

An odd reasoning to start suspecting those two, at the same time, when they're in obvious conflict and cant both be scum.

[Ali bin Turban]

Personally I’m starting to feel like either MK or Lyner is one of our scum. They’ve been at it for too long.

Though, I don’t have the same feeling that Lyner has about brewers and FB, brewers especially seems pretty town to me. He usually likes to play his way and do what he thinks best, and it works. I’d argue he’s one of the better mafia players we have.

Right now Im thinking both Lyner and MK might be town ( even though MK's playstyle is scummy). I was a bit suspicious about Brewers, but as new suspects appear, he's of my list for now ( after all there cannt be more than 3 scums)

My main suspects are Wolfpacks and then Finster.