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[Lysistrata]

Not that I'd blame anyone for pulling a CSA statue down.  Let's face it, they were traitors.

I'm a life long American history buff, so I look at these things solely on what happened. I have no emotional horse in the race because I have no idea what living was like in 1850... and no one else does either, so forgive me that I don't feel the pain of their plight.

 

I don't see the CSA as traitors. Things were very much different in 1850. No matter how wrong the institution of slavery was, it was the law at the time. There was a process to change the law... and there were many that didn't have the patience, or desire, for that. So we had a war to solve it. Those people you want to call "traitors" had a Constitution... an agreement with the Federal Government that the institution of slavery was a state issue. So, a case could be made that everyone was a traitor.

 

But it's 2020 now... and I don't care. They want the statues down? There's a process for that. Do it the right way.

[Blade 619]

 

Not that I'd blame anyone for pulling a CSA statue down.  Let's face it, they were traitors.

I'm a life long American history buff, so I look at these things solely on what happened. I have no emotional horse in the race because I have no idea what living was like in 1850... and no one else does either, so forgive me that I don't feel the pain of their plight.

 

I don't see the CSA as traitors. Things were very much different in 1850. No matter how wrong the institution of slavery was, it was the law at the time. 

 

More importantly, they are primarily seen as traitors as they lost the war. If the union forces lost and the confederacy won we could easily have been having the conversation in reverse. 

[DeathMerchant]

Not that I'd blame anyone for pulling a CSA statue down. Let's face it, they were traitors.

I'm a life long American history buff, so I look at these things solely on what happened. I have no emotional horse in the race because I have no idea what living was like in 1850... and no one else does either, so forgive me that I don't feel the pain of their plight.

I don't see the CSA as traitors. Things were very much different in 1850. No matter how wrong the institution of slavery was, it was the law at the time.

More importantly, they are primarily seen as traitors as they lost the war. If the union forces lost and the confederacy won we could easily have been having the conversation in reverse.

There is a mocumentary made called CSA The Confederate States of America. It paints an alternate history as to how the US, and rest of the world would have turned out had the Union lost the Civil War. If your into alternate history, I recommend watching it.

[onbekende]

 

And that's because in any human-operated political system you will have elites that favor themselves over the masses. The way they do this might be different, but it will always exist. It's encoded in human nature.

 

And we shouldn't fault basic human (or actualy scratch the human) nature. What we should be weary of is that it is ever present and shall rise whenever a large enough group stops being vigilant about it. It can manifest small like riots or large like dictatorships. Someone who claims they found "the wonders of X", scepticism is all they get from me.

[ccabal86]

Woke mob:

 

https://twitter.com/KunkleFredrick/status/1298344285079838720?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1298344285079838720%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Findex.hu%2Fkulfold%2F2020%2F08%2F26%2Fblack_lives_matter_tuntetes_felszolitas_okol%2F

 

Shit like this is going to get Trump reelected, and then we'll all be truly fucked. There is only so much pressure international institutions can take.

[Lysistrata]

and then we'll all be truly fucked

Curious... why would you be "truly fucked"?

 

The only thing I can think of that you would be so frightened of is "climate change".

If that's the case... why have you not been "truly fucked" already? He's been President for quite awhile.

[ccabal86]

 

and then we'll all be truly fucked

Curious... why would you be "truly fucked"?

 

The only thing I can think of that you would be so frightened of is "climate change".

If that's the case... why have you not been "truly fucked" already? He's been President for quite awhile.

 

 

I suppose you don't want to read numerous books, journals and essays by an army of Political Scientists and IR experts, so the gist of it is:

 

Whether you see it that way or not, the current international institutional system (from specific organizations with a charter, through treaties to more abstract power dynamics) is still "Western Centric". It was created through hard work and sacrifice by the US and other Western powers post WW2 and the Cold War. It has eroded by much today and badly needs reaffirmed American commitment. Let's just say that another 4 years of Trumpian "America First" where you give the finger to the EU, and your Pacific allies might push the system to a breaking point. With the retreat of the US, the vacuum will be filled by China, and a smaller extent Russia and we'll all be in a lose-lose situation then.

To contain these two, the US should be building partnerships, not undermining them.

[Lysistrata]

I understand now... you would rather see the USA conform to global socialism, sacrifice our economy, our lives, our treasure, and our freedom... because you're afraid of China and Russia. It's nice to hear the truth for a change.

 

So you post a Twitter link that shows the Soros funded Brown Shirts bullying people on the street, and say that you wish they would hold back on what they're doing... so Biden can get elected. A weak, compliant, Globalist USA, is better for the EU?

 

I'm sorry... I can't go along with that.

[ccabal86]

I understand now... you would rather see the USA conform to global socialism, sacrifice our economy, our lives, our treasure, and our freedom... because you're afraid of China and Russia. It's nice to hear the truth for a change.

 

No

 

So you post a Twitter link that shows the Soros funded Brown Shirts bullying people on the street, and say that you wish they would hold back on what they're doing... so Biden can get elected. A weak, compliant, Globalist USA, is better for the EU?

 

No

And say what you will about Soros (there is a LOT that he says that I don't agree with), but, he was never against freedom of speech and opinion:

 

 ...as an “advocate of an open society” he considers “political correctness politically incorrect”.  We should “never forget that a plurality of views is essential for open societies”

 

Source

[Lysistrata]

Okay... You're on board with George Soros and the "Open Society"... I am not, and neither is Donald Trump. Explains everything.

 

Climate Change is gonna kill us all. Covid-19 is gonna kill us all. Loot, burn, threaten, scare, and beat them into compliance.

 

So utterly sad... but it will not work. People are already starting to kill each other in the streets.

Congratulations. We're all gonna experience the reason why we have a Second Amendment.

[Tony Maurice]

https://youtu.be/RSc9mMzKKsA

[ccabal86]

Gotta love Antifa racists

[ccabal86]

Here's a good podcast with Sam Harris and John McWhorter where they discuss cultlike triaits of "anti racism". They totally nail how I feel about this issue. If you have the time, it's worth a listen.

 

https://samharris.org/podcasts/217-new-religion-anti-racism/

[emsychumm]

what is antifa?

[Lysistrata]

what is antifa?

It's an organized mob. They want you to believe they are "Anti-Fascists", but in reality they are anti-capitalists that use fascist tactics to undermine authority, create chaos, and destroy lives, under the guise of civil rights. They are what we call... Domestic Terrorists.

[emsychumm]

 

what is antifa?

It's an organized mob. They want you to believe they are "Anti-Fascists", but in reality they are anti-capitalists that use fascist tactics to undermine authority, create chaos, and destroy lives, under the guise of civil rights. They are what we call... Domestic Terrorists.

 

that sounds really scary

[onbekende]

and also only partially true...

 

not to say things don't get trashed with people presenting themselfes as "antifa". Kinda like those fools caling thsemelfes "Oath keepers" and then invading  US Congress.

[Lysistrata]

Kinda like those fools caling thsemelfes "Oath keepers"

Liar. The Oath Keepers have been around for decades. I met several of them back in 2009 during the Tea Party rallies. They are all current and retired Law Enforcement and Military. The best of the best my European buddy.

[Chaplain of death]

 

Kinda like those fools caling thsemelfes "Oath keepers"

Liar. The Oath Keepers have been around for decades. I met several of them back in 2009 during the Tea Party rallies. They are all current and retired Law Enforcement and Military. The best of the best my European buddy.

 

 

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/09/975280596/prosecutors-oath-keepers-founder-was-in-direct-contact-with-capitol-rioters

 

huh what? how'd that link get there?

[Lysistrata]

huh what? how'd that link get there?

OMG! How could anyone get on anyone's email list? It's CRIMINAL!