The Switch

 

Switch is a Night Start Open Setup.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Switch_(Setup)

 

Players

 

1. Brewersalliance, Mafia Vigilante Switch, was lynched on Day 3.

2. Chaplain of Death, Vanilla Townie, was shot on Night 2.

3. Lyner

4. Lilweirdward, Vanilla Townie, was shot & killed on Night 3.

5. KevinH, Vanilla Townie, was killed on Night 2.

6. Rafay, Vanilla Townie, was lynched on Day 1.

7. Dontavian

8. Tony Maurice, Vanilla Townie, was lynched on Day 4.

9. Velocity, Town Cop, was killed on N4.

10. Ferastical, Town Doctor, was shot on N4.

11. Wolfpacks, Mafia Doctor Switch, was shot on Night 1.

12. Ali Bin Turban, Vanilla Townie, was lynched on Day 2.

13. Finster Baby

14. The Warrior, Town Vigilante, was killed on Night 1.

 

Rules:

• During the day phase each player may speak and vote in-thread.
• If a player receives the majority of the available votes during the day, they are lynched.
• At deadline, a player with half-majority will be lynched.
• If two players have reached half-majority and have the same number of votes, the player who reached that number of votes first will be lynched.
• You may vote no lynch.
• After the day, the game goes to night.
• The game thread is closed during the night. The mafia may speak to each other at night.
• All active roles may submit actions via PM at night.
• The mafia can, as a faction, kill one player at night.
• After the night, the game goes to day.
• All dead players (lynched or killed) can no longer participate in the game.
• Basic rules for maintaining the integrity of the game thread are in effect (i.e. players may not quote their Role PMs, nor may they discuss the game outside the game thread unless otherwise permitted, etc.)
• The game is won when only one faction remains in the game or nothing can prevent that from happening.
• Mass role-claiming is not allowed, but you may reveal your role if you have something interesting to share.
• You may pm me questions or ask them in the game thread but you may not get an answer to some things.
• When voting, please enter your vote on a separate line of your post so that it isn't easily missed.

• Active Participation Rule:

  All live players must make a minimum of 7 meaningful posts in the game thread per game day. Any player who does not meet the 7 post minimum on a given day will be subject to being mod-killed unless a legitimate reason for the lack of posting is communicated privately to the game mod. (In the event that something comes up that will prevent you from playing actively, please alert the mod so that a potential replacement can be found.) If multiple players have not met the post minimum on a given day, the player with the fewest overall posts will be mod-killed.

Game days will last seven days until there are fewer than seven players remaining. Then they will last as many days as there are players left.

Game Nights will last 48 hours.

Interesting kills overnight.  I think we have to play LYLO today or we lose.

Alright I am here now. 

 

I have a bit of a bomb to drop. I am here to role claim as the cop.

 

Night 0 I investigated LWW and he came as town.

Why? Well it's LWW. He is a very good player when town and scum so it was good to get a confirmation. 

 

Night 1 I investigated Robert (Dontavian Edit: Velocity (Name Mixup) and got nothing because of cop switch.  

I already suspicious of him during the day because of his actions so I wanted to investigate him prior to day 2. All I had left was post analysis at that point and wasn't sure about wasting another night on him yet. 

 

Night 2 I investigated Brewers and he came out to be mafia.

I was a bit lost on who to investigate after the events of the day so I returned to my night 0 reasoning. Investigate a player who is effective as scum and town. His previous performance in Velocity's game also scared me a little so I needed confirmation. Luckily there was no cop switch and I found him out. 

 

I found a scum, if we are in this LYLO situation we need to lynch brewers to make the town winning viable again. Dontavian's seeming panic is a little suspicious and since I didn't get results it is possibly brewers and him doing some weird thing together to get Don lynched. And honestly considering how brewers did in Velocity's game with his manipulation I don't doubt that this is could. I already know brewers is scum but I get EXTREME suspicion from Don now as it is a possibility. It has also been good to know that LWW's analysis are a townie doing work. 

 

So please,

 

VOTE BREWERS 

 

Let's get town back on the map. 

Welp that definitely helps lol. Need to give some time for someone to counter claim but I would be beyond impressed if Tony made up a claim that detailed lol.

Night 1 I investigated Robert (Dontavian) and got nothing because of cop switch.  

I already suspicious of him during the day because of his actions so I wanted to investigate him prior to day 2. All I had left was post analysis at that point and wasn't sure about wasting another night on him yet. 

Um, just to clarify...I replaced Robert in brewers election game. I’ve always been in this game.

 

As for me somehow panicking and RCing to deflect something... I’m NOT panicked and I’m not deflecting anything. I RCd for the reasons previously stated. brewers started piling on for no reason other than to throw suspicion on me, so since we’re LYLO as Town now, subtly is not an option. I am not a PR, so the only way I can help is to ID myself to the remaining town and vote someone I find suspicious... brewers. That’s as succinct and honest as I can be. 

Sorry Dontavian, the 2 games confused me. I will edit the post but leave my original entry in. I am a lot less suspicious as I haven't investigated you and your defence could be true. Just a simple name mix-up there. 

Sorry Dontavian, the 2 games confused me. I will edit the post but leave my original entry in. I am a lot less suspicious as I haven't investigated you and your defence could be true. Just a simple name mix-up there. 

Easy enough to do when playing multiple games... I just didn’t want that to confuse anyone

Well this is interesting. As it's been pointed out multiple times this game is basically lylo so I guess it kind of makes sense that someone would come out and fake claim cop. Unfortunately for Tony, he fake claimed he got a guilty on the person who is actually the cop lol

 

I didn't want to have to claim as I have not gotten a single result with my investigations.

 

N0 I investigated TW, because let's face it. He's definitely one of the top players in the game. He can be a huge threat as scum and he is very hard to decipher if he is town or scum. MK opened the game up and never gave me a result. I assumed it meant I was switched off but I also figured he might have forgotten a bit so I bugged him about it and finally told me that yes I was switched off.

 

Night 1 I investigated Ferastical because I found it kind of strange how he removed his vote off Rafay at the last minute. To me it felt like he could have been scum jumping ship to try to claim he wasn't part of the death of the townie. Again MK gave me no response to my action so I now know that meant I was once again turned off

 

night 2 I picked CoD. I never played with him before and he jumped right into the swing of things with ABT. I was unsure of his playstyle and figured it would be better to be safe than sorry with him. MK gave me the result of "no result" this time, which made sense since my target died. I don't know if that means I was not turned off, or that I just got that via default because my target was killed.

 

I am on mobile right now but a couple posts from Tony kind of stand out to me so I will go back and quote them tomorrow. One of them is tony on D1 actually trying and playing seriously, which is something he has not done in the past. I get the feeling that his scum partners told him he better actually try and not just lulz his way through the game like he's done in pretty much every single game so far.

 

Also, he is using the fact that I double bussed my teammates last game as more evidence here with me putting some shade on Don today. My actions last game just gave him the prefect excuse to try to frame me. As it's been stated by lyner, me and lww this is basically Lylo. I would not start the day by throwing shade on my partner. A mislynch here makes it so town cannot win the game. If I killed my partner all it takes is for the sk to off me and we are eliminated or for the cop to find me and that's game. So I wouldn't do something so foolish. It does however give tony a good reason to fake claim. It's lylo for town. If mafia offs a townie, all they have to do is kill the sk and they basically win the game.

 

Tony being the mafia member to claim this makes perfect sense too. Like LWW said, it's tony who made this claim so he doubts he could make this up. Well maybe tony isn't actually the one who came up with the claim and his partner did and Tony's the one who is posting it for this very reason: Tony has a reputation for being well tony so he wouldn't be good enough to make it up.

 

But tony is clearly lying lol this is the first mafia game he has ever played where he has taken it seriously. He's been town in virtually every single game he has played and put no effort into being serious. and in this game he's decided to sing a different tune. I'm if any of us drew tony as their scum partner you would tell him he better try, because in legit every single game he has ended up being lynched for the sole reason that he doesn't take shit seriously. Even in my election game he was gonna be "lynched" for the exact same reason but lww forgot to cast the vote to do it lol so either tony had a come to Jesus moment and decided to actually try to help the town win, while at the exact same time putting in zero effort in the other game going on, or he is scum and his partners told him you better play serious or we are gonna get fucked. I think it's quite obvious which one it is.

 

I also think it's very unlikely that Dontavian is mafia at this point, because tony is throwing shade as him too.

 

Vote Tony

Also don brought up a good point. Tony's claim does have a bit of an error in it. Dontavian was not robert in this game. Typically when one does do a fake claim, it's easy to screw it up with a tiny detail like that.

 

Also he went back and did edit the post which is a HUGE no no.

 

Tony was trying to use the not sure on robert/Dontavian to further his conspiracy that I was trying to bus my partner Don, and when don informed him he used the wrong game for his fake claim, he went back and edited the post to try to make it look like he meant velocity

 

He further used that to say he

I'm not ready to completely give Dontavian a pass but this day obviously turned into a choice between Tony and brewers, so we'll save that for another day. Which choice Don picks will be interesting though.

 

I'm interested to see how other people read this situation. One of them has to be lying.

Vote Count

 

Brewersalliance (2): Dontavian, Tony

Tony Maurice (1): Brewers

Ferastical (0):

Velocity (0):

Lyner (0):

lilweirdward (0):

Dontavian (0):

Finster Baby (0):

 

No Lynch (0):

 

Not voting: Velocity, Lilywad, limey, Ferastical, baby

 

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch or 3 at deadline.

Deadline is Wednesday, November 25 at 0000 UTC.

I’m willing to believe that brewers might actually be the cop switch, and for now...

 

Vote: brewersalliance

 

This is certainly a very interesting situation though, be sure to not hammer him too quickly.

He apparently has something else to say.

Now this is interesting. Let's not rush since we have quite some time and tomorrow to consider.

 

If Tony is scum and fake claimed to lynch brewers. Assuming 2 night kills, we will be left with 2 mafias, 1 SK, and 2 town.

Without SK's help, town can't win the game. But theoretically, SK will just pretend to be town and lynch Tony. Assuming mafia & SK targets leftover townies I think this would be a double win for Mafia & SK?

 

 

So it's a bold scum move but it could guarantee a victory if SK is willing to cooperate, and SK will be willing to cooperate only if he has the mafia kill protection.

 

If Tony is scum, then Brewers is cop. Which means his cop ability was shutdown 3 times. That means it's likely that SK didn't try to play around with it, so SK chose mafia protection. (It's too risky for mafia if they didn't turn off the switches on N0, while for SK that chose town protection they will absolutely turns off all switch).

 

tl;dr if Tony is scum, Mafia & SK may be able to force a double-win if we mislynch today.

 

 

Reasons to believe Tony is town cop:

- This is the first time he got cop role so it shows that he's taking it more seriously

- The RC is out of the blue (unless he's panicking over Dontavian potentially getting wagon'd after the panicky post)

 

Reasons to doubt Tony:

- His results are a bit suspicious, but I guess there are randomness to consider.

 

I'm leaning on Tony being our real cop right now.

 

I also re-read the thread and FB seems the most suspicious to me so far. There is the RL issue so some inactivities could be looked over, but he avoided sharing strong opinions so far. Good chance he is our SK.

I'm not ready to completely give Dontavian a pass but this day obviously turned into a choice between Tony and brewers, so we'll save that for another day. Which choice Don picks will be interesting though.

 

I'm interested to see how other people read this situation. One of them has to be lying.

Not sure what else I could do to validate my RC. Thread will just have to provide context and we’ll see what happens after the votes are cast. As for my pick, unless some other evidence comes up to corroborate his encyclopedic RC,I’m leaving my vote on brewers for the reasons previously stated. (Basically him attacking me for “an obvious post equating to a panicked noob scum”, setting up a straw man argument to throw shade on me).  As stated, at that point, the only play I saw that would benefit Town was to RC so they knew.  Resultantly, some others have followed suit on voting brewers, although not RCing. 

 

I'm not ready to completely give Dontavian a pass but this day obviously turned into a choice between Tony and brewers, so we'll save that for another day. Which choice Don picks will be interesting though.

 

I'm interested to see how other people read this situation. One of them has to be lying.

Not sure what else I could do to validate my RC. Thread will just have to provide context and we’ll see what happens after the votes are cast. As for my pick, unless some other evidence comes up to corroborate his encyclopedic RC,I’m leaving my vote on brewers for the reasons previously stated. (Basically him attacking me for “an obvious post equating to a panicked noob scum”, setting up a straw man argument to throw shade on me).  As stated, at that point, the only play I saw that would benefit Town was to RC so they knew.  Resultantly, some others have followed suit on voting brewers, although not RCing. 

 

 

What you did is literally new scum player 101.  was i supposed to just ignore it?  lol town players typically do not rush to RC, its not a good play.  i get what you were thinking, and i do think youre probably town (though u could be the sk)

 

I’m willing to believe that brewers might actually be the cop switch, and for now...

 

Vote: brewersalliance

 

This is certainly a very interesting situation though, be sure to not hammer him too quickly.

He apparently has something else to say.

first off, what makes you think i am the cop switch lol do you feel like providing any sort of reasoning for that or nah

 

secondly, you say dont hammer brewers too fast, aka dont rush the vote, but you also vote for me right away, which is basically the opposite of what you are saying not to do.  

id almost be willing to wager velocity is some form of scum, either the sk or tony's partner.

 

Velocity NEVER votes early like this.  he always holds his vote.  he is probably by far the most conservative person here when it comes to voting.  and then he gives a "be careful with your votes" warning even tho hes just throwing out a vote?  

 

he feels like scum to me here.  making sure im the first to the three votes so i am in line for the deadline lynch just in case tony and i tie.  

 

Idk if he would be tony's partner as that could be dangerous, but it is basically lylo for town, so it would probably be worth the risk to ensure my death.  he could also be the sk hoping for a win win.  either they lynch a very good town player with my death or they lynch a scum player, and velocity can claim see, i was the vote that put him to deadline lynch.  

I have reason to believe tony over you as the cop right now. If two separate people hammer you in succession I would be surprised, because if you are indeed town then I guarantee you at least somebody voting for you right now is scum.

 

Tony coming out about it first is extremely unlike him, and points to that he could be who he says he is.

 

Do you really think that if Tony was suspecting me at all while you weren’t nearly as much before I voted, that I would vote for you over him? Especially if he is the town cop? If I was a scum I would be wanting to lynch him next because he suspects me.

 

You call it unlike me, but you said it yourself. “Why would I want anyone to be able to predict what I’ll do?”

 

 

Do you really think that if Tony was suspecting me at all while you weren’t nearly as much before I voted, that I would vote for you over him? Especially if he is the town cop? If I was a scum I would be wanting to lynch him next because he suspects me.

 

 

unless you are either his partner or an sk who chose mafia immunity, yes

 

im pretty sure thats what the sk chose, as my cop ability has been turned off every single night.  if the sk chose the cop and vig immunity, they would more likely than not leave the cop on since they cant be hit by the cop but the mafia can.

 

so yes, it makes perfect sense for you to vote me over him lol

I’m not necessarily upset that you think me dumb enough to play such a staunch departure from my normal style of gameplay, just a bit disappointed. Why would I do this, just to oust one person who might not even be scum, and reveal that I was the SK?

 

It doesn’t make much sense. It’s very likely that the SK took mafia NK immunity, it wouldn’t make sense for them to scum hunt or reveal themselves going for scum.

Were I the SK, I would try to lynch tony and then kill you if he wasn’t the cop, because it would mean one scum and the cop would be out of the way, since he suspects me some while you did not much of if at all at the time.

because u didnt think it would reveal you as the sk?  i never said explicitly you are the sk, i said i think you are some form of scum

 

 

 

id almost be willing to wager velocity is some form of scum, either the sk or tony's partner.

 

you are keying in hard here to defend against being the sk and now you are making me very confident that you are indeed the sk

 

you are straight up admitting that you are completely departing from your play-style.  you have nothing to go off other than Tony's RC, which is a complete fabrication.  hell he straight up used the investigation of robert to try to throw shade at Don before Don pointed out he had the wrong game.  You dont screw that up when you make honest RC's.  You screw that up when your RC is a fabrication

 

@velocity if you were so concerned about fast votes on me, and so concerned about the day ending early then why place the vote on me?  you are feigning concern when in reality you are trying to push the lynch.  if you were so convinced i was scum, you would have actually given a reason other than "i believe brewers is the cop switch, dont rush the vote but also vote brewers."  now why would you think im the cop switch?  well if you are the sk, you have the ability to also switch so you could have done a switch and assumed my switch would have been turned on so i should have gotten a result.  thats the only thing I can think of for why you would be so sure that i am the cop switch lol  but you also forgot that the mafia can control a switch too so u might have actually turned me off instead of back on.

 

 

while i do not have definitive proof that velocity is the sk, i do have the proof that tony is scum, since he claimed the role that i am, cop lol so i still feel that tony is the best bet as he is confirmed scum (in my eyes, obviously the rest of town does not know who is who)

It 100% is a departure from my normal play style, which is why I wouldn’t do it as an SK.

 

I would have been in the perfect position to let it play out and one of you die, kill somebody else, the other die the next day (if the one that died was the cop). Hell, I could’ve killed the other one of you involved in the situation. The cop being suspicious of somebody without any evidence is essentially the same as a VT being suspicious of somebody.

 

I just believe you more likely to be scum, based on all things put forth right now.

 

I never told anyone to vote you, I voted you and then specifically said to hold off on more votes so nobody would hammer you.

 

In your own scenario, you already have at least one scum and likely two in your eyes voting you, leaving just one more, so it would be impossible for a scum team to hammer you unless they jumped the gun. Most town won’t rush a vote, especially not on a high profile and active player like you.

 

I raised the possibility of you being the cop switch, because it would be the most confident way for a player to counter a cop claim and set up a story, in the event that the SK was kicking around, which they are.

Well this is interesting. As it's been pointed out multiple times this game is basically lylo so I guess it kind of makes sense that someone would come out and fake claim cop. Unfortunately for Tony, he fake claimed he got a guilty on the person who is actually the cop lol

 

I didn't want to have to claim as I have not gotten a single result with my investigations.

 

N0 I investigated TW, because let's face it. He's definitely one of the top players in the game. He can be a huge threat as scum and he is very hard to decipher if he is town or scum. MK opened the game up and never gave me a result. I assumed it meant I was switched off but I also figured he might have forgotten a bit so I bugged him about it and finally told me that yes I was switched off.

 

Night 1 I investigated Ferastical because I found it kind of strange how he removed his vote off Rafay at the last minute. To me it felt like he could have been scum jumping ship to try to claim he wasn't part of the death of the townie. Again MK gave me no response to my action so I now know that meant I was once again turned off

 

night 2 I picked CoD. I never played with him before and he jumped right into the swing of things with ABT. I was unsure of his playstyle and figured it would be better to be safe than sorry with him. MK gave me the result of "no result" this time, which made sense since my target died. I don't know if that means I was not turned off, or that I just got that via default because my target was killed.

 

I am on mobile right now but a couple posts from Tony kind of stand out to me so I will go back and quote them tomorrow. One of them is tony on D1 actually trying and playing seriously, which is something he has not done in the past. I get the feeling that his scum partners told him he better actually try and not just lulz his way through the game like he's done in pretty much every single game so far.

 

Also, he is using the fact that I double bussed my teammates last game as more evidence here with me putting some shade on Don today. My actions last game just gave him the prefect excuse to try to frame me. As it's been stated by lyner, me and lww this is basically Lylo. I would not start the day by throwing shade on my partner. A mislynch here makes it so town cannot win the game. If I killed my partner all it takes is for the sk to off me and we are eliminated or for the cop to find me and that's game. So I wouldn't do something so foolish. It does however give tony a good reason to fake claim. It's lylo for town. If mafia offs a townie, all they have to do is kill the sk and they basically win the game.

 

Tony being the mafia member to claim this makes perfect sense too. Like LWW said, it's tony who made this claim so he doubts he could make this up. Well maybe tony isn't actually the one who came up with the claim and his partner did and Tony's the one who is posting it for this very reason: Tony has a reputation for being well tony so he wouldn't be good enough to make it up.

 

But tony is clearly lying lol this is the first mafia game he has ever played where he has taken it seriously. He's been town in virtually every single game he has played and put no effort into being serious. and in this game he's decided to sing a different tune. I'm if any of us drew tony as their scum partner you would tell him he better try, because in legit every single game he has ended up being lynched for the sole reason that he doesn't take shit seriously. Even in my election game he was gonna be "lynched" for the exact same reason but lww forgot to cast the vote to do it lol so either tony had a come to Jesus moment and decided to actually try to help the town win, while at the exact same time putting in zero effort in the other game going on, or he is scum and his partners told him you better play serious or we are gonna get fucked. I think it's quite obvious which one it is.

 

I also think it's very unlikely that Dontavian is mafia at this point, because tony is throwing shade as him too.

 

Vote Tony

Also don brought up a good point. Tony's claim does have a bit of an error in it. Dontavian was not robert in this game. Typically when one does do a fake claim, it's easy to screw it up with a tiny detail like that.

 

Also he went back and did edit the post which is a HUGE no no.

 

Tony was trying to use the not sure on robert/Dontavian to further his conspiracy that I was trying to bus my partner Don, and when don informed him he used the wrong game for his fake claim, he went back and edited the post to try to make it look like he meant velocity

 

He further used that to say he

It's my word against brewers here and I urge all townies to please heavily consider what I'm saying. 

 

I just want to say it plain and simple that you are not the cop, I am. 

 

I can't really say anything about the investigations except that they are fake. There's not much else to it. Brewers is lying out of his ears as some sort of mafia, town I need you to trust me here. 

 

I made the claim and post all by myself brewers, you proud? 

 

And I would like to tell you brewers that yes, I had a jesus moment. I got sick of being lynched so early on all the time and wanted to actually live for a while. No scum partners to tell me anything. Besides it's more fun this way. 

 

Anyway I understand I have a reputation but I plead all members of the town to give me a chance. I am the cop and brewers is not. I am town and brewers is not. I just need you all to trust me here, brewers is scum and we need to lynch him to give us all more of a chance. 

 

 

I just want to say it plain and simple that you are not the cop, I am. 

 

 

Ditto 

 

And I would like to tell you brewers that yes, I had a jesus moment. I got sick of being lynched so early on all the time and wanted to actually live for a while. No scum partners to tell me anything. Besides it's more fun this way. 

 

 

This is a straight up lie.  you are in another game right now and still completely screwing around and not taking it seriously lol anyone playing that game can easily vouch for that.  

Your game is different. 

Well isn't that convenient. You either have decided to take mafia seriously or you haven't. And it's clear you haven't based on your actions in the other game. So what makes this one different? It's your partners/now single partner putting pressure on you to actually play seriously. You don't want to get lynched early? That's because you're scum. You already lost one partner and would be completely screwing your other partner.

also one other problem i just realized with Tony's RC

 

 

 

Night 2 I investigated Brewers and he came out to be mafia.

 

 

one problem with this.  since the cop can also get a result on the sk, he would either get a result of guilty or not guilty, or town/not town.  tony would just know that I was guilty, he would not know which faction i belong to. a cop result does not tell you the faction or role that someone has, just if they are town or not town.  this is a VERY important distinction when you have multiple scum factions in play, and tony clearly screwed that one up.  obviously being a newer player he would not realize this with his once again FAKE role claim.    his RC has some holes and issues with it.  a real RC would not.  

Continue to use my reputation against me, it's a reasonable message. Just remember everyone I am taking this game seriously. And also remember it is a distraction from the core message. 

 

That I am cop, brewers is not. He is scum, I am not. Give me this one chance and you will see. He is making all this shit up about my partners talking to me. 

A real RC can have holes in it, especially from a player who isn’t copying it word for word from the mod. Some of them have before, even when they were the truth. I take care to avoid it, but it’s possible.

 

One unlikely thing I see is your lack of results any night, you would think you’d have gotten at least one. You being you, I doubt you would pick to investigate TW, and CoD is an easy cop out answer. Ferastical I have to say would be a good choice, but it’s still convenient. You’re a master of words among us, if you suspected Ferastical, you could get him lynched. You’re more likely to investigate somebody who could be scum that wouldn’t be suspected much, such as myself.

Your RC is very convenient. Both of your RC’s are convenient.

Brewer’s, to me, seems like a bid to get out of getting lynched for the first time, even though it would be him getting caught and lynched for being scum.

 

We still have time to consider, so I ask for us to not rush votes past a deadline vote, so we don’t prematurely end the day.