Night 5 ends.

 

Kaziocore, townie, has been killed in the night.

 

Vote Count

Wolfpacks (0):

Brewersalliance (0):

Ferastical (0):

Captainjf (0):

Chaplain of death (0):

Dontavian (0):

Lyner (0):

Tony Maurice (0):

Velocity (0):

 

No Lynch (0):

 

Not voting: Brewersalliance, Lyner, Dontavian, Velocity, captainjf, Ferastical, Chaplain of death, Tony Maurice, Wolfpacks,

 

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is Wednesday, February 24 at 12:00 EST.

Welp, looks like we were right about Rafay...

 

I wonder why mafia chose Kaz

@wolfpacks still planning on voting for me or?

I would also like to publicly recognize that Brewersalliance has joined the most awesome trade circle.

I would also like to publicly recognize that Brewersalliance has joined the most awesome trade circle.

 

Vote: KevinH

I would also like to publicly recognize that Brewersalliance has joined the most awesome trade circle.

it has KevinH and SM and now me.  it is by far the most awesome trade circle

 

I would also like to publicly recognize that Brewersalliance has joined the most awesome trade circle.

it has KevinH and SM and now me.  it is by far the most awesome trade circle

 

 

0 days - Brewersalliance

307 days - Sister Midnight

880 days - Sir Robert de Dudley

1496 days - Patroclus9

2794 days - monkeypants

Welp, looks like we were right about Rafay...

 

I wonder why mafia chose Kaz

Glad Rafay turned up scum

 

I agree, I don’t get the Kazio kill

 

Wolfpacks (3): Chaplain of death, Tony Maurice, Rafay,

Can we assume because Rafay voted WP, that WP isn’t scum...or did Rafay do that to throw off pursuit?

 

 

I would also like to publicly recognize that Brewersalliance has joined the most awesome trade circle.

it has KevinH and SM and now me.  it is by far the most awesome trade circle

 

 

0 days - Brewersalliance

307 days - Sister Midnight

880 days - Sir Robert de Dudley

1496 days - Patroclus9

2794 days - monkeypants

 

 

 

 

I would also like to publicly recognize that Brewersalliance has joined the most awesome trade circle.

it has KevinH and SM and now me.  it is by far the most awesome trade circle

 

 

0 days - Brewersalliance

307 days - Sister Midnight

880 days - Sir Robert de Dudley

1496 days - Patroclus9

2794 days - monkeypants

 

your TC is being disbanded now. stay on notice for mroe trades. 

 

Welp, looks like we were right about Rafay...

 

I wonder why mafia chose Kaz

Glad Rafay turned up scum

 

I agree, I don’t get the Kazio kill

 

Wolfpacks (3): Chaplain of death, Tony Maurice, Rafay,

Can we assume because Rafay voted WP, that WP isn’t scum...or did Rafay do that to throw off pursuit?

 

 

I agree. I think it is more likely that Wolfpacks is innocent rather than a play by Rafay.

 

 

 

 

I would also like to publicly recognize that Brewersalliance has joined the most awesome trade circle.

it has KevinH and SM and now me.  it is by far the most awesome trade circle

 

 

0 days - Brewersalliance

307 days - Sister Midnight

880 days - Sir Robert de Dudley

1496 days - Patroclus9

2794 days - monkeypants

 

 

 

 

I would also like to publicly recognize that Brewersalliance has joined the most awesome trade circle.

it has KevinH and SM and now me.  it is by far the most awesome trade circle

 

 

0 days - Brewersalliance

307 days - Sister Midnight

880 days - Sir Robert de Dudley

1496 days - Patroclus9

2794 days - monkeypants

 

your TC is being disbanded now. stay on notice for mroe trades. 

 

 

You sir, are awesome. Many thanks to the effort you put into this work

Or it could have been an attempt at bussing by Rafay. Tho Id say it's more likely wp is town with the Rafay vote on him and the flip of Rafay as scum (nailed it) lol

 

So do we have any potential suspects? It felt like all we discussed was WP or Rafay yesterday and it's more likely than not that WP is also town now so we really might be starting from scratch

I wouldn't discredit the theory of WP being scum so soon. Yesterday we saw this:

 

 

Vote: Wolfpacks

Why exactly

 

 

Which is a reaction Wolfpacks didn't give any other person. Now, considering that at the start of the previous day, Rafay was supporting Wolfpacks' opinion on the day before, I think there's some bussing going on here. We can see the same on the Torres wagon - Rafay was on that.

 

Other points still stand. Why was WP so confident that Finster was going to be town? Why has he not joined on any major wagons? And what the heck does he have against brewers? 

 

Vote -> Wolfpacks

 

Rafay has just been inactive, what makes you think hes more likely to be scum than WP?

• Brewers jailed Rafay N2, the night when there weren't any successful kills
• Rafay hasn't joined in on any of the major wagons these last days
• he hasn't role claimed
• he sided with Wolfpacks (on the topic of Finster) at the beginning of the day, but now placed his vote on him.

Here's quoting Brewers forwarding his reasoning:

 

rafay is my top suspect.  no kill n2, he was jailed and how he acted like he thought there was a serial killer.  i think he could very well be the n3 vig and was trying to play dumb and make people not think about the vig

oh, and he hopped off the Torres wagon the second time around

well, not exactly "hopped off", but as in placed his vote on D2, but didn't do the same on D3.

nvm, scratch that, I was talking about the wrong people - Rafay waited until D3 to join the Torres wagon.

 

 

I actually hard missed that explanation of his vote from Brewers. Had I seen this I would have swapped to Rafay.

 

And when there was the second kill n3 Rafay asked if the serial killer could be in play. That was either Rafay trying to play dumb (my money is on he is the n3 vig) - that's something Rafay would 100% do and has done when he was scum in the past or he didn't read the OP, which is possible, however when you lump it all together, to me that equals scum

And it actually looks like Rafay has been hammered by ferastical

 

Also a good point. I didn't think that was enough by itself but I missed the explanation you gave about the N2 kill.

 

 

I'm thrown off by the revelation that Rafay was scum. I felt like WP asked for the explanation out of Rafay specifically since he was the only other wagon and hadn't posted in 5ever, but hard to say. I was so sure it was WP but now I have no clue if they were trying to throw us off with Rafay voting WP or not.

Sorry not been keeping up as I've notbern well, been working on pain management rather then typing, I will be more active from now on

 

I did tell you I was town.

 

 

I did tell you I was town.

 

So why not vote on Rafay? 

Vote Count

Wolfpacks (1): Ferastical,
Brewersalliance (0):
Ferastical (0):
Captainjf (0):
Chaplain of death (0):
Dontavian (0):
Lyner (0):
Tony Maurice (0):
Velocity (0):
 
No Lynch (0):

Not voting: Brewersalliance, Lyner, Dontavian, Velocity, captainjf, Chaplain of death, Tony Maurice, Wolfpacks,
 

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is Wednesday, February 24 at 12:00 EST.
 

 

 

I did tell you I was town.

 

 

well there still is ZERO confirmation that you are town, just saying you told us you are town does not in fact make you town lol

 

I did tell you I was town.

 

well there still is ZERO confirmation that you are town, just saying you told us you are town does not in fact make you town lol

That could go for anyone, only I and the mafia members know the truth and I'm not in the mafia.

 

 

I did tell you I was town.

 

well there still is ZERO confirmation that you are town, just saying you told us you are town does not in fact make you town lol

That could go for anyone, only I and the mafia members know the truth and I'm not in the mafia.

 

so whats the point of saying you told us you were town?  its not like you died and are just doing a "see I told you so post"

 

here is how the final vote shook out

Rafay (6): Brewersalliance, Lyner, Dontavian, Velocity, captainjf, Ferastical,  

Wolfpacks (3): Chaplain of death, Tony Maurice, Rafay,

Brewersalliance (1): Wolfpacks,

 

 

Not voting: Kaziocore, 

 

 

we can break it down into two groups:  voted rafay and not voting rafay.

 

on the voted rafay wagon, i was pushing him all day and i brought him up the previous day as a possible suspect.  lyner joined the wagon very early.  if lyner was scum, idk why he would join it right away.  a bit early for the bus.  both captain and ferastical switched from wolfpacks to rafay, when they could have just stayed put and let the day either end in a no lynch or a wp lynch.  i dont think scum would do that, so they are also both townie to me.

 

don and velocity both were in the middle on rafays wagon.  middle is typically where the scum feel safe on wagons.  i dont remember when don joined the rafay wagon, but velocity did it very late, when it seemed like WP was gonna get lynched or we were gonna no lynch, sp he could have been "hiding on rafay" and if rafay were to eventually die, he could claim he was trying to bus him.

 

COD and tony were on WP for basically WP defending firster and claiming he knew finster was town. tho it was an understandable vote, it doesnt make them both town, tho Tony brought up and gave us the ninja, so i doubt he is scum for that.

 

if WP is town, my guess is one scum was voting him (two if you count rafay) and probably one was off the wagon.

 

if WP is scum, then my guess is one of the scum was on rafay.  

 

i think its possible WP is scum.  How he acted towards finster was scummy, tho i felt rafay there was more evidence for, so thats why i pushed that.  if rafay didnt appear super scummy to me, i would have voted wp.  what i think is most telling tho is WP kept his vote on me, instead of moving it to rafay to try to save himself. voting for rafay could have been an attempted bus, but it also could have been the deciding vote and could have ended up killing his partner.  

 

if wp is town, i think either cod or tony is probably scum (no way both rafay's partners were on him).

 

CoD is interesting.  he pushed for torres early and often so that is very townie to me, but he also piggy backed me hard on finster (tho finster was acting wayy of his rocker)  could be a townie just going after someone who is acting scummy or he could have been trying to ride the coatails of a prominent and vocal townie (me).  but thats not what i find interesting.  I find his trying to defend not jumping on the rafay wagon interesting.  Rafay is scum, and CoD came out today and said

 

 

I actually hard missed that explanation of his vote from Brewers. Had I seen this I would have swapped to Rafay.   brewersalliance, on 13 Feb 2021 - 08:29, said: And when there was the second kill n3 Rafay asked if the serial killer could be in play. That was either Rafay trying to play dumb (my money is on he is the n3 vig) - that's something Rafay would 100% do and has done when he was scum in the past or he didn't read the OP, which is possible, however when you lump it all together, to me that equals scum And it actually looks like Rafay has been hammered by ferastical   Also a good point. I didn't think that was enough by itself but I missed the explanation you gave about the N2 kill.     I'm thrown off by the revelation that Rafay was scum. I felt like WP asked for the explanation out of Rafay specifically since he was the only other wagon and hadn't posted in 5ever, but hard to say. I was so sure it was WP but now I have no clue if they were trying to throw us off with Rafay voting WP or not.

 

 

i find it strange that he did not see my reasoning for voting rafay, which i brought up several times during the day, until AFTER rafay was lynched and was revealed as scum.  Again, without two last seconf vote switches, rafay would not have died.   idk, i didnt think there was a snowballs chance in hell CoD was scum with the whole torres thing, but after this post its def making me think a little.  either way, i am kind of torn on which way to go today.  no one is really definitively scum imo.

 

 

of the 9 players id break it down into

 

town 

brewers

lyner

captain

ferastical

 

probably town

tony

 

leaning town, but has a chance of being scum

Cod

 

Could go either way

Don

 

Top Scum suspects to me

Velocity 

WP

anyways i gotta get back to snow removal- got like a food last night haha

 

  could someone maybe cross reference the rafay/not rafay voters with both days of torres voters?  maybe we can find something there

brewers: ...dont remember when don joined the rafay wagon

You could’ve looked it up since you’re making me SUS... I was third after you and lyner, so not sure how that’s the mafia sweet spot..

 

https://ironcentral.org/community/topic/65084-kh-22-mad17-day-6/?p=1029670

 

I RCd as Town n1, n3 jailer... picked MK on n1 and you on n3. Again, not sure how that puts me in your “could be either” category.

 

 

I RCd as Town n1, n3 jailer... picked MK on n1 and you on n3. Again, not sure how that puts me in your “could be either” category.

 

well anyone could be any role in this game so the claim of a jailor doesnt confirm u as town or as scum, tho i 100% believe you are the jailor, and i didnt mean placement on the wagon when i said idk when you joined it, i know u were after me,  i meant i dont remember what day you joined it. like if it was right before deadline.  im not sus'sing you lol im saying could go either way.  im not getting a strong scum vibe from you but also not getting a strong town vibe either.  but unless someone has some bombshell info or u do something super super scummy today, my vote will most likely not be on you.   plus i highlighted velocity more so than you for the wagon placement on rafay

Just clarifying muh details

 

 

 

I did tell you I was town.

 

well there still is ZERO confirmation that you are town, just saying you told us you are town does not in fact make you town lol

That could go for anyone, only I and the mafia members know the truth and I'm not in the mafia.

 

so whats the point of saying you told us you were town?  its not like you died and are just doing a "see I told you so post"

 

here is how the final vote shook out

Rafay (6): Brewersalliance, Lyner, Dontavian, Velocity, captainjf, Ferastical,  

Wolfpacks (3): Chaplain of death, Tony Maurice, Rafay,

Brewersalliance (1): Wolfpacks,

 

 

Not voting: Kaziocore, 

 

 

we can break it down into two groups:  voted rafay and not voting rafay.

 

on the voted rafay wagon, i was pushing him all day and i brought him up the previous day as a possible suspect.  lyner joined the wagon very early.  if lyner was scum, idk why he would join it right away.  a bit early for the bus.  both captain and ferastical switched from wolfpacks to rafay, when they could have just stayed put and let the day either end in a no lynch or a wp lynch.  i dont think scum would do that, so they are also both townie to me.

 

don and velocity both were in the middle on rafays wagon.  middle is typically where the scum feel safe on wagons.  i dont remember when don joined the rafay wagon, but velocity did it very late, when it seemed like WP was gonna get lynched or we were gonna no lynch, sp he could have been "hiding on rafay" and if rafay were to eventually die, he could claim he was trying to bus him.

 

COD and tony were on WP for basically WP defending firster and claiming he knew finster was town. tho it was an understandable vote, it doesnt make them both town, tho Tony brought up and gave us the ninja, so i doubt he is scum for that.

 

if WP is town, my guess is one scum was voting him (two if you count rafay) and probably one was off the wagon.

 

if WP is scum, then my guess is one of the scum was on rafay.  

 

i think its possible WP is scum.  How he acted towards finster was scummy, tho i felt rafay there was more evidence for, so thats why i pushed that.  if rafay didnt appear super scummy to me, i would have voted wp.  what i think is most telling tho is WP kept his vote on me, instead of moving it to rafay to try to save himself. voting for rafay could have been an attempted bus, but it also could have been the deciding vote and could have ended up killing his partner.  

 

if wp is town, i think either cod or tony is probably scum (no way both rafay's partners were on him).

 

CoD is interesting.  he pushed for torres early and often so that is very townie to me, but he also piggy backed me hard on finster (tho finster was acting wayy of his rocker)  could be a townie just going after someone who is acting scummy or he could have been trying to ride the coatails of a prominent and vocal townie (me).  but thats not what i find interesting.  I find his trying to defend not jumping on the rafay wagon interesting.  Rafay is scum, and CoD came out today and said

 

 

 

I actually hard missed that explanation of his vote from Brewers. Had I seen this I would have swapped to Rafay.   brewersalliance, on 13 Feb 2021 - 08:29, said: And when there was the second kill n3 Rafay asked if the serial killer could be in play. That was either Rafay trying to play dumb (my money is on he is the n3 vig) - that's something Rafay would 100% do and has done when he was scum in the past or he didn't read the OP, which is possible, however when you lump it all together, to me that equals scum And it actually looks like Rafay has been hammered by ferastical   Also a good point. I didn't think that was enough by itself but I missed the explanation you gave about the N2 kill.     I'm thrown off by the revelation that Rafay was scum. I felt like WP asked for the explanation out of Rafay specifically since he was the only other wagon and hadn't posted in 5ever, but hard to say. I was so sure it was WP but now I have no clue if they were trying to throw us off with Rafay voting WP or not.

 

 

i find it strange that he did not see my reasoning for voting rafay, which i brought up several times during the day, until AFTER rafay was lynched and was revealed as scum.  Again, without two last seconf vote switches, rafay would not have died.   idk, i didnt think there was a snowballs chance in hell CoD was scum with the whole torres thing, but after this post its def making me think a little.  either way, i am kind of torn on which way to go today.  no one is really definitively scum imo.

 

 

of the 9 players id break it down into

 

town 

brewers

lyner

captain

ferastical

 

probably town

tony

 

leaning town, but has a chance of being scum

Cod

 

Could go either way

Don

 

Top Scum suspects to me

Velocity 

WP

anyways i gotta get back to snow removal- got like a food last night haha

 

  could someone maybe cross reference the rafay/not rafay voters with both days of torres voters?  maybe we can find something there

 

 

 

Yeah I don't have a good excuse, I can't believe I didn't see your reasoning for voting Rafay. I remember reading your role claim but I think I skimmed past the last few lines of the post below your actual actions because I was eager to make my own claim and go do other shit  . 

 

 

 

 

I did tell you I was town.

 

well there still is ZERO confirmation that you are town, just saying you told us you are town does not in fact make you town lol

That could go for anyone, only I and the mafia members know the truth and I'm not in the mafia.

 

so whats the point of saying you told us you were town?  its not like you died and are just doing a "see I told you so post"

 

here is how the final vote shook out

Rafay (6): Brewersalliance, Lyner, Dontavian, Velocity, captainjf, Ferastical,  

Wolfpacks (3): Chaplain of death, Tony Maurice, Rafay,

Brewersalliance (1): Wolfpacks,

 

 

Not voting: Kaziocore, 

 

 

we can break it down into two groups:  voted rafay and not voting rafay.

 

on the voted rafay wagon, i was pushing him all day and i brought him up the previous day as a possible suspect.  lyner joined the wagon very early.  if lyner was scum, idk why he would join it right away.  a bit early for the bus.  both captain and ferastical switched from wolfpacks to rafay, when they could have just stayed put and let the day either end in a no lynch or a wp lynch.  i dont think scum would do that, so they are also both townie to me.

 

don and velocity both were in the middle on rafays wagon.  middle is typically where the scum feel safe on wagons.  i dont remember when don joined the rafay wagon, but velocity did it very late, when it seemed like WP was gonna get lynched or we were gonna no lynch, sp he could have been "hiding on rafay" and if rafay were to eventually die, he could claim he was trying to bus him.

 

COD and tony were on WP for basically WP defending firster and claiming he knew finster was town. tho it was an understandable vote, it doesnt make them both town, tho Tony brought up and gave us the ninja, so i doubt he is scum for that.

 

if WP is town, my guess is one scum was voting him (two if you count rafay) and probably one was off the wagon.

 

if WP is scum, then my guess is one of the scum was on rafay.  

 

i think its possible WP is scum.  How he acted towards finster was scummy, tho i felt rafay there was more evidence for, so thats why i pushed that.  if rafay didnt appear super scummy to me, i would have voted wp.  what i think is most telling tho is WP kept his vote on me, instead of moving it to rafay to try to save himself. voting for rafay could have been an attempted bus, but it also could have been the deciding vote and could have ended up killing his partner.  

 

if wp is town, i think either cod or tony is probably scum (no way both rafay's partners were on him).

 

CoD is interesting.  he pushed for torres early and often so that is very townie to me, but he also piggy backed me hard on finster (tho finster was acting wayy of his rocker)  could be a townie just going after someone who is acting scummy or he could have been trying to ride the coatails of a prominent and vocal townie (me).  but thats not what i find interesting.  I find his trying to defend not jumping on the rafay wagon interesting.  Rafay is scum, and CoD came out today and said

 

 

 

I actually hard missed that explanation of his vote from Brewers. Had I seen this I would have swapped to Rafay.   brewersalliance, on 13 Feb 2021 - 08:29, said: And when there was the second kill n3 Rafay asked if the serial killer could be in play. That was either Rafay trying to play dumb (my money is on he is the n3 vig) - that's something Rafay would 100% do and has done when he was scum in the past or he didn't read the OP, which is possible, however when you lump it all together, to me that equals scum And it actually looks like Rafay has been hammered by ferastical   Also a good point. I didn't think that was enough by itself but I missed the explanation you gave about the N2 kill.     I'm thrown off by the revelation that Rafay was scum. I felt like WP asked for the explanation out of Rafay specifically since he was the only other wagon and hadn't posted in 5ever, but hard to say. I was so sure it was WP but now I have no clue if they were trying to throw us off with Rafay voting WP or not.

 

 

i find it strange that he did not see my reasoning for voting rafay, which i brought up several times during the day, until AFTER rafay was lynched and was revealed as scum.  Again, without two last seconf vote switches, rafay would not have died.   idk, i didnt think there was a snowballs chance in hell CoD was scum with the whole torres thing, but after this post its def making me think a little.  either way, i am kind of torn on which way to go today.  no one is really definitively scum imo.

 

 

of the 9 players id break it down into

 

town 

brewers

lyner

captain

ferastical

 

probably town

tony

 

leaning town, but has a chance of being scum

Cod

 

Could go either way

Don

 

Top Scum suspects to me

Velocity 

WP

anyways i gotta get back to snow removal- got like a food last night haha

 

  could someone maybe cross reference the rafay/not rafay voters with both days of torres voters?  maybe we can find something there

 

 

 

Yeah I don't have a good excuse, I can't believe I didn't see your reasoning for voting Rafay. I remember reading your role claim but I think I skimmed past the last few lines of the post below your actual actions because I was eager to make my own claim and go do other shit  . 

 

normally id say "oh that makes sense"  but didnt you role claim d3 when you killed robert?  so why would you be so eager to RC when you already did?  or am i confusing you with someone else lol

I didn't need to vote Rafay to save myself, if i lost the vote i would have been lynched and then shown i was town and anyone who was on my wagon could be conscrued as scum, Rafay was on my wagon and turned up scum.

 

And how anyone could think of the way i defended FB as scummy i have no idea, i said he was town all along and i was right.

 

I still say if I'm lynch look at my accusers and you will find what we are looking for, Scum