My sympathies for your poor ass CM

 

 

Thanks

 

 

 

I do have information, particularly about one person who might have been performing kills, but it'll be easier for the rest of town to make some sense of things and win this game if others come forward with what they know first in case there are still multiple scum left.

 

Why not put it on the table? Give us something to debate about at the very least for the day

Yeah lww throw us some bone

Definitely town:

• KevinH, it's me, voted for Ferastical

Most likely town:

• Chaplain of Death, was cop until he became vanilla, voted for Ferastical
• Lilweirdward, knows something and is playing it like a townie, voted for Ferastical

Unknown, but probably scum amongst them

• Colonel Medved, voted on by Canik the Watcher who might have known something
• Captainjf 2.0
• Lyner

I'll just throw it out there
Vote: Colonel Medved

 

 

Colonel Medved, voted on by Canik the Watcher who might have known something

 

 

Well, I'm not sure that's much to go off of based on the reason why he voted for me

 

 

 

COD/Robert - have some reason to think they might be town but not confirmed.

 

Vote: CM

 

A random suspect but he's been too quiet for my liking.

 

 

He voted for me for being quiet, which in his defense i have been. I wasn't very active near the start of the game, so that is my fault. He also called me a "random suspect"

 

I don't think that means he knew something, if so he didn't really make it apparent. 

 

 

LWW is either quite town or quite scum. or something. definitely keep an eye on him. (and if I die, don't friggin forget this)

 

Canik is a watcher 

 

Did he find something suspicious about LWW?

 

There isn't much to go on, so

 

Vote: LWW

 

 

 

I think by now we can assume there's an SK / second scum faction, which means a mislynch right now will probably mean a lose for town. So start talking people.

 

I'll partially RC, I have a passive role.

 

LWW is either quite town or quite scum. or something. definitely keep an eye on him. (and if I die, don't friggin forget this)

 

Canik is a watcher 

 

Did he find something suspicious about LWW?

 

There isn't much to go on, so

 

Vote: LWW

 

 

 

I think by now we can assume there's an SK / second scum faction, which means a mislynch right now will probably mean a lose for town. So start talking people.

 

I'll partially RC, I have a passive role.

 

 

He might have gotten a result that can either be scum or town off that post. My bet is on a Deceptive or Investigative role

 

I'll throw my vote there for now, not like much information is known at this time

 

Vote LWW

You guys are morons. I don't think I've ever once killed someone who was openly suspicious of me when I was scum in other games, and this is exactly why I don't usually openly say to be suspicious of someone if I die since it can basically guarantee scum a free mislynch if I'm wrong. 

 

Oh well. I meant to post everything I know earlier this weekend, but my wife has been dealing with some tough medical issues the past few days so I haven't had a chance. I'll start posting it now...

Can we get a vote count please?

Alright, let's get this out of the way. I am the town Cop, and below are my actions and results.

 

Night 0, I investigated Lord MK, and received a result of Mafia. I chose MK because he intentionally plays scummy, which usually psyches me out of suspecting him during play, but with only meta to go on, I felt like it would be a nice early way to get reads on people.

 

Night 1, I investigated Ferastical, and received a result of Mafia. He did something late on Day 1 that I thought was suspicious, where he said something along the lines of assuming that all of the people brewers was threatening to mod kill were townies. I ended up going back and re-reading it during Day 2 and feeling like I'd over-thought it, but then Ferastical obviously was lynched and actually flipped Mafia.

 

Night 2, I decided to test my sanity by investigating someone that I figured was the most confirmed townie in the game: Chaplain of Death. With MK having protected him from being targeted by a confirmed mafia, I couldn't think of someone who was less likely to be mafia, so if my results came back as Mafia, then I could guarantee myself as a paranoid cop. However, the results came back as Not Mafia.

 

Day 3, Canik said what he said about me being a possible scum. I have one free Day Cop shot that I can use in place of the following night's Cop action, and in the heat of the moment, I figured that would be a good time to use my shot on Canik. He came back as Mafia.

 

Looking at the results, I have really struggled in trying to figure out my sanity. I can't be insane because I got Mafia on Ferastical which is a sane result, but I can't be paranoid either because I got Not Mafia on CoD, which, regardless of his actual alignment, is not a paranoid result. Below are all of my results in a more condensed format.

 

N0 (Check 1) - MK: Mafia

N1 (Check 2) - Ferastical: Mafia

N2 (Check 3) - CoD: Not Mafia

D3 (Check 4) - Canik: Mafia

 

My best guess is that I'm even-night and odd-day insane, and odd-night/even-day sane. I guess it's also possible that my day shot was always going to be insane. Those are the only options I can think of (other than random insanity, which would be complete nonsense) that makes any sense to me. 

 

Regardless, I have actually been a little bit suspicious of CoD since he became near-confirmed, and we've had several games over the last year that have punished town for assuming someone was confirmed off of a strange sequence of events. Getting Not Mafia on anyone has to be significant somehow though. I'm willing to hear everyone's perspective, and if someone has evidence that would help corroborate or disprove my results, I would more than welcome them. For now though, based on what I know and the lack of any additional evidence:

 

Vote: Chaplain of Death

Not sure what to make of lww's RC for now, so 

 

Unvote

 

 

 

 

End of Day 2

 

FERASTICAL (7) Canik, MK, Cod, LWW, KevinH

 

Assuming LWW is honest, Kevin's the only who could manipulate the Ferastical wagon vote

 

Anything to say about this, Kevin?

 

Vote: KevinH

You are making a lot of assumptions about your own role, that you aren't sure of, in order to throw suspicion on me when I've been all but confirmed by MK, who is now dead and therefore a confirmed townie. 

 

I find it quite odd that you would ALSO be a cop, and that you would have the same day use ability that I had. Clearly you must be a cop of some sort as I didn't reveal that aspect of my role previously, but my bet would be that you are more likely to be a scum cop. 

 

Here you made it sound like you had valuable info to give to town but the only thing you had was an accusation on me for the reason of "well our others games worked like this therefore maybe this one does?" I don't understand. The only thing that I can think is that you had some info pieced together from the scum team, and that you wanted people to claim and then try to undermine someone's claim.

Unofficial, without any shenanigans (listing only votes)

• Lilweirdward: Lyner, Colonel Medved
• Chaplain of Death: Lilweirdward
• Colonel Medved: KevinH
• KevinH:
• Captainjf 2.0:
• Lyner:
•  
• Not Voting: Chaplain of Death, Captainjf 2.0

You are making a lot of assumptions about your own role, that you aren't sure of, in order to throw suspicion on me when I've been all but confirmed by MK, who is now dead and therefore a confirmed townie.

MK never confirmed your alignment, he just confirmed that you were targeted by Ferastical and made vanilla. At this point I think it's extremely unlikely that there is a vig in this game as they probably would have owned to to shooting Robert by now, so it's completely plausible that you could be part of a second mafia faction, and MK just happened to protect you anyway.

 

Regardless, I'm not "making a lot of assumptions," just one: that I have some explainable sanity and not a random one. While it is a brewers game so anything could happen, I would rather assume that there is some rhyme or reason to things and that this is still a playable mafia game.

 

I find it quite odd that you would ALSO be a cop, and that you would have the same day use ability that I had. Clearly you must be a cop of some sort as I didn't reveal that aspect of my role previously, but my bet would be that you are more likely to be a scum cop.

If I were a scum cop, why in the world would I come after you of all people left? Basically every other player is easier to frame, and I even acknowledged that my investigation of you was to test my sanity against who I thought was the most confirmed townie. I don't see how anything makes sense except the truth, which is that I'm a cop with an unconfirmed but likely sanity that all but confirms you as scum.

 

One thing that I will point out as interesting though is that, if I remember correctly, your first N0 investigation was Robert, and your N1 check was MK. There's a chance that you were the opposite of me: a cop with an even night sanity. This doesn't really change your alignment but it could explain your results and how both of us could be cops.

 

Here you made it sound like you had valuable info to give to town but the only thing you had was an accusation on me for the reason of "well our others games worked like this therefore maybe this one does?" I don't understand. The only thing that I can think is that you had some info pieced together from the scum team, and that you wanted people to claim and then try to undermine someone's claim.

There are potentially still two scum killers left as only two confirmed mafia players have died, so unless someone comes forward with a role that is even more dangerous than mine, I'm almost certainly going to be killed tomorrow night. My hints at info were mostly an attempt to try to either get more townies (mainly a vig if it existed) to come forward and help make sense of the night actions, or for a mafia to preemptively try to claim vig and more or less confirm themselves as the last scum in my eyes. Basically I was hoping to prod out more info for town to be able to use to help win the game after I'm gone lol. I did my best to not lie anywhere along the way about what info I actually had, which is why I said that it may reveal someone who has been doing night kills, which is probably true if you are indeed mafia.

 

Regardless, I think it's interesting that you've both acknowledged my claim of cop as likely true earlier in your post, and also completely implied it might not be true and ignored the actual results. If you'd taken more effort to either try to deduce my sanity from the results, or even just said "dude, you must have a random sanity because I'm 100% town and that check was also legit", I probably would have at least had a bit more doubt. This whole thing where you can't decide whether to pretend like I'm a scum cop or not a real cop at all though definitely makes me even more suspicious.

Or both of you are townies bickering against each other 

 

CoD confirmed LWW's role so at least LWW isn't lying about his role. We have 2 doctors (with same alignment) so there is precedent that we could also have two town cops (with irregular sanities, probably our dead diagnoser's job to identify that). 

 

 

It is day 4 already (potentially LYLO) and several players still haven't disclosed any information at all: CM, captain, Kevin.

 

I think it's more crucial for town to make them talk first.

The only way that he's a townie is if my sanity is random, which I acknowledge is a possibility but would prefer it not to be lol. I can't think of another possibility for him to come up Not Town on an even night when my results should have been insane.

 

I do agree though that a few people are skating by without sharing anything, and we need everything on the table before ending this day. I'm still very suspicious of captain for his behavior at the start of the day and his apparent claim of vanilla townie, and I don't feel like CM has had to explain or really play much so far. It's also interesting that Kevin seems to be dodging questions about his possible vote manipulation abilities.

 

 

I'm still very suspicious of captain for his behavior at the start of the day and his apparent claim of vanilla townie,

 

I understand how you could consider this suspicious. However, I did not claim VT, I only said that I had nothing relevant to disclose.

 

Maybe I find LWW's results a bit confusing because of how insane (pun intended) this game is. However, I can buy off on CoD confirming LWW's role so I'm good with that. 

 

Colonel M, I look forward to hearing what you have to share with us. I understand life can be busy, but please give us something!

 

Outside of that, I don't know what further there is to share. Is there the double vote modifier still around? We need to be careful of that if so.

 

Personally, I would like berewers to come in with an official vote count before I vote. 

Vote Count 4.1

 

Captainjf 2.0 (0)

CM (2) KevinH

COD (1) LWW

KEVINH (1) Lyner

LWW (0) Colonel Medved

LYNER (0)

 

Not Voting: CaptainJf 2.0, CoD

 

With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch or 2 at deadline

deadline is 4/22 at 9am CN time

 

Vote Count 4.1

 

Captainjf 2.0 (0)

CM (2) KevinH

COD (1) LWW

KEVINH (1) Lyner

LWW (0) Colonel Medved

LYNER (0)

 

Not Voting: CaptainJf 2.0, CoD

 

With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch or 2 at deadline

deadline is 4/22 at 9am CN time

 

 

So, KevinH is weighted 2 votes, and CM is weighted 0...

We really need to know more about Kevin and his role and alignment, because as a double voter he could end the game on his own tomorrow if there is still at least one mafia left.

 

Kevin, start talking, buddy.

I questioned your sanity and your alignment not your role.

 

 

The only way that he's a townie is if my sanity is random, which I acknowledge is a possibility but would prefer it not to be lol. I can't think of another possibility for him to come up Not Town on an even night when my results should have been insane.

 

Well, there is a small possibility of Framer (which means you're insane). CoD is vanilla so no miller possibility. But yeah, I can agree CoD being scum is on the table.

 

 

 

I understand how you could consider this suspicious. However, I did not claim VT, I only said that I had nothing relevant to disclose.

Nothing at all? night actions? any hints? 

 

 

Vote Count 4.1

 

Captainjf 2.0 (0)

CM (2) KevinH

COD (1) LWW

KEVINH (1) Lyner

LWW (0) Colonel Medved

LYNER (0)

 

Not Voting: CaptainJf 2.0, CoD

 

With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch or 2 at deadline

deadline is 4/22 at 9am CN time

 

 

So, KevinH is weighted 2 votes, and CM is weighted 0...

 

 

I think we're on to something here 

Yes, I'm a vote thief and a member of the town.

 

N0: Canik

N1: Chaplain of Death

N2: forgot to submit

N3: Colonel Medved

Colonel Medved woke up in the middle of the night.  His cell door was open.  He was unharmed but could not shake the feeling that something was missing....

 
The something that was missing was his vote.

I need to go back and check all vote counts to make sure it adds up, but I can buy Kevin's claim for now. In any case, please be careful not to hammer anyone

This is a game of trying to find the pudding thief, and he just admitted to being a thief..... >.> lol

 

Yes, I'm a vote thief and a member of the town.

 

N0: Canik

N1: Chaplain of Death

N2: forgot to submit

N3: Colonel Medved

Colonel Medved woke up in the middle of the night.  His cell door was open.  He was unharmed but could not shake the feeling that something was missing....

 

The something that was missing was his vote.

 

Uhh so you deliberately voted on Ferastical wagon knowing it would very likely lynch him that day?

 

Unless you're certain Ferastical is scum, I would be very nervous of doing that.

 

 

 

FERASTICAL (7) Canik, MK, Cod, LWW, KevinH

 

On another note, there are actually 7 vote on Ferastical, so there are two more vote shenanigans here besides Kevin's vote theft. (Assuming Kevin didn't lie about stealing CoD's on N1)