Vanilla does make sense for his name, bruce banner was useless in the movie

There is at most a 50% chance that iSoc is scum. Either he is a townie who is inactive or scum who is acting inactive. He has been so inactive throughout the game that there is pretty much nothing that indicates scum behavior apart from some post he made regarding lww. While 50% odds may be good to lynch on d2 or even d3, it certainly is nowhere close to ideal on d4 with all scum remaining.

 

Brewers aka Thanos the scum boss/SK should be our lynch today. Its disappointing people are taking the seemingly safe option of lynching an inactive, but well the coin flip may fall in our favor as well. I will take consolation in the fact that if Thanos is SK he will hesitate to use his night kill ability today with the spotlight partly on him.

At most 50% chance of scum?

 

I broke down the known roles v unknown. 6 unknown players.

 

If 3 scum then 50% chance he is scum

 

If four scum then 66% chance he is scum….

 

So how would imran know the max chance is 50%?

 

If he is scum and knows there are only 3 scum in the game. Only way he could actually know that for sure.

 

Imran is scum

Pretty sure I clarified in my post on where I got the 50% from. Either he is inactive town or scum acting inactive. 50-50 chance, given he had not posted much on earlier days which would point to scum/townie behavior. Its a coin toss. 

 

However, his role claim now is kinda suspicious, not to mention him throwing some indirect support towards brewers' way. Claiming vanilla is classic scum fake role claim. But he may have some role that he doesnt want to reveal right now as well, we know scum probably has role blocker in their team.

Vote Imran.

 

His reasoning is empty and wrong. It feels more as a trying to make someone a lynch able player. He has so many leads but hones in on me. He comes in with a closed mind and has to try ro spin everything so he can have the town vote for myself. It's d4 it is time to actually scum hunt not throw baseless theories

 

If I was scum I wouldn't come out with just a VT claim. In this is where Imran hungry blinds reasoning

unvote

Bandwagon Time.

 

I always knew you were scum, off with his head.

 

Vote: Imran

Vote Imran.

 

His reasoning is empty and wrong. It feels more as a trying to make someone a lynch able player. He has so many leads but hones in on me. He comes in with a closed mind and has to try ro spin everything so he can have the town vote for myself. It's d4 it is time to actually scum hunt not throw baseless theories

 

If I was scum I wouldn't come out with just a VT claim. In this is where Imran hungry blinds reasoning

 

You do know that you were 1 vote from being lynched right? I could have hammered you when even Zacch was calling for it.

 

What it actually looks like is you jumping back in when you were about to be lynched and starting a wagon just to save yourself. I am not surprised you chose whoever brewers was voting for. I would say we have found one of brewer's scum partners.

 

Unvote

 

Vote: iSocialism

 

 

I feel safe in saying I have a power role since I highly doubt there are vanilla roles, this is a role madness game. If vanilla roles are in play, for it to be balanced, nearly every unknown role left would have to be vanilla for the game to be balanced. And we know there is still one stone left in play (soul stone) and I doubt a VT has a stone lol

 

 

By the way found this digging through old posts.

Vanilla does make sense for his name, bruce banner was useless in the movie

 

This was from today.

 

Contradiction much?

I'm finally back. Seems I missed some things but many seem busy this labor day weekend.

 

Isoc jumping into the irman wagon makes sense. Better another player then him. Isoc stayed out of the conversation till the day before deadline today. A VT role is.....odd. we've hade everything up to this point with some town roles I'd expect to probably see. I have to question a VT in the actual game. For this I don't see a true reason to remove my vote. If you don't want to play the game, I'm not sure why you replaced in after being killed just to wait till the last 2 days to vote.

 

Irman now thrown out he thinks Brewers is Thanos for some reason. While I believe there is probaly a Thanos in the game....Brewers? I'm going to pretend Brewers is Thanos for a second. I feel he'd personally love to be Thanos personally. Not that I see a point to Irman throwing it out (what are you really expecting him to do? He starts you down saying "I Am Inevitable."?) unless you have some actual reasoning to believe he is Thanos. Like an actual night action result. Unsure where your going with this. Imran and Brewers fighting....I don't know. It feels like there emotions are running wild. So. I feel I should disregard certain posts from there argument and hesitant to even bring it up after TW's warning. I could make some connections sure, Brewers could be Thanos, maybe more then others, but I rather see actual proof on this.

 

Zacch flip flops more then pancakes at a IHOP. I don't feel he'll truly be happy unless he's able to hammer someone.

 

At least things are heating up a bit.

Jeez, zachh

 

Scum, can you guys like kill zachh?

Lol

 

He's basically rafay

Lord MK next...

Imran was all fine and dandy staying off a town wagon while still pushing for others to vote me until the attention finally turned to him

 

Of course I knew I was at one away for being hammered.

 

Yes, I know my VT claim is odd... I'm not new. So let's stop pretending I'm doing a weak claim or WIFOM. So ask yourself, why are some players saying VT doesn't exist and others are believing a VT. Majority of the roles/claims have been power roles. However, we still have players without roles. VT is not so far fetch.

Vote Count
 

iSocialism2.0 (4): Robert2424, Preston, Lyner, Imran Ehsan

Imran Ehsan (3): Brewersalliance, iSocialism 2.0, Zacch

Robert2424 (1): Lord MK

Brewersalliance (0): 

Darkfox (0):

Lord MK (0): 

Lyner (0):

Preston (0):

Velocity (0):

Zacch (0): 

 

No Lynch (0):

 

Not Voting: Darkfox, Velocity

 

With 10 players alive it takes 6 to lynch or 3 at deadline.
Deadline will be at 2:00PM CN Server time on Monday, September 5th.

Steve Rodgers approached the cockpit of the jet where Sam Wilson sat. "Drop to 2600, heading 0-3-0."

 

"I hope you right about this or we're going to land a lot faster than we want to," Sam replied. 

 

The jet soared through the protective barrier hiding Wakanda from the outside world. As it approached a nearby docking platform, a delegation from the Dora Milaje, led by King T'Challa, walked out to meet them.

 

The jet's tailgate opened. Steve Rodgers, Bruce Banner, James Rhodes, Wanda Maximoff, and Vision stepped onto the platform. They walked over to the welcoming crew and Steve and T'Challa shook hands. They turned to walk toward the nearby palace. 

 

"How big of an assault should we expect?" T'Challa asked.

 

"Sir, I think you should expect quite a big assault," Banner replied.

 

"You have my King's Guard, the Border Tribe, the Dora Milaje, and.."

 

"A semi-stable 100 year old man," Bucky Barnes finished as he approached his old friend. Bucky gave Steve a hug.

 

"How are you doing, Buck?" he asked. 

 

"Not bad, for the end of the world," Bucky replied with a smile.

 

The group walked into the palace and took Vision down to the lab to be examined. Shuri walked around him, looking closely at the stone in his forehead. "There are more than two trillion neurons here. One misalignment could cause a cascade of circuit failures. This will take time, brother."

 

"How long?" Rodgers replied.

 

"As long as you can give me."

 

A nearby alarm sounded as an aircraft entered the Wakandan atmosphere. The group turned and watched out the window as several large obelisk-like objects fell from the sky and crashed into the forest outside the shield around the inner Wakandan shield.

 

"It's too late," Vision said. "We need to destroy the stone."

 

"We will hold them off," T'Challa said.

 

"Wanda, as soon as that stone is out of his head you blow it to hell," Steve said.

 

"Evacuate the city, engage all defenses, and get this man a shield," T'Challa said pointing at Captain America.

 

The Wakanda defenses immediately mobilized and were lead out onto the battlefield. Steve Rodgers and King T'Challa walked down the hill to the edge of the Wakandan dome where Proxima Midnight and Cull Obsidian stood. Proxima Midnight ran the tip of her spear along the dome and sparks danced out of it.

 

"Thanos will have that stone," Proxima Midnight said.

 

"That's not gonna happen," Rodgers replied.

 

"You are in Wakanda now," T'Challa interjected. "Thanos will have nothing but dust and blood."

 

"Proxima Midnight reponded: "We have blood to spare." She raised her spear overhead and let out a war cry. The giant doors of the obelisks in the distance lifted.

 

Steve and T'Challa walked back up the hill to the Wakandan front line. "Did they surrender?", Bucky quipped. "Not exactly", Steve replied.

 

Thousands of Outriders (demon like creatures) charged out of the trees and towards the Wakandan dome.

 

"T'Challa stood on top of the hill. He let out a Wakandan war cry and the entire chorus of Wakandans behind him responded in kind.

 

The Outriders threw themselves into the Wakandan shield. They tried to scratch and claw their way through the dome but it severed any parts of their body that touched it and many died. They kept coming, wave after wave, and lunged into the shield until finally a handful of them were able to break through it's protection and charged up the kill toward the defenders.

 

The Wakandan army readied their shields and shot laser blasts out of their spears toward the attackers. Bucky fired his assault rifle. Bruce fired repulsor blasts from the palms of the HulkBuster armor. War Machine and Falcon flew overhead firing various munition rounds at the Outriders who had managed to get through the dome.

 

The hordes of Outriders suddenly changed course and began running around the perimeter of the dome. 

 

"Cap, if these things circle the perimeter and get in behind us, there's nothing between them and VIsion," Banner called.

 

"Then we better keep them in front of us," Cap responded.

 

"We need to open the barrier," T'Challa said. He pressed a finger to his ear. "On my signal, open Northwest section 17." T'Challa again cried out in Wakandan and he walked between the front lines and stared down at the advancing enemy. "WAKANDA FOREVER!" he called as he put on the Black Panther mask. The Wakandan army raised their weapons and cheered and the defenders charged down the hill to meet the advancing Outsiders head on.

 

"NOW!" T'challa called into ear piece. The barrier opened directly in front of them and the Outrider hordes charged through the small opening. Black Panther and Captain America pulled away from the rest of the defenders and hurdled a small river at the base of the hill. They were met immediately by the Outriders. They clawed and punched their way through the first handful before the rest of the Wakandan army caught up to them and engaged the attackers.

 

"How much longer, Shuri?" T'Challa spoke into his earpiece.

 

"We've barely begun, brother," she replied as she worked on extracting the Infinity stone from Vision's forehead in her lab.

 

The war raged on outside. After a successful initial counter-offensive, the Wakandan defenders eventually began to fatigue. The Outrider hordes we're still coming, wave after wave. A large group of them threw themselves at Bruce Banner in the Hulkbuster armor. He blasted a dozen of them with strong repulsor blasts, and swung around and batted away another large handful. But they kept coming, taking the places of their fallen comrades and pounced on him. They thrashed and clawed their way into the electrical systems of the suit and shut it down. Banner laid on the ground helpless to them. They ripped off the helmet from the suit and finally got the better of Bruce.

 

 

iSocialism 2.0 (Bruce Banner), a Vanilla Avenger, has been lynched on day 4.

 

 

Vote Count
 

iSocialism2.0 (4): Robert2424, Preston, Lyner, Imran Ehsan

The Outrider hordes kept coming through the hole in the barrier wall. The Wakandan defenders, led by Captain America and Black Panther, continued to fight but were dangerously close to being overrun. 

 

A beam of light rained down from the sky in the middle of the action, blasting away all the Outriders in range. The light softened to reveal Rocket Raccoon and Groot (holding the Stormbreaker axe) with his branch-like arm. It wasn't much but every bit of reinforcement was a welcome sight to Cap. Rocket unloaded on a nearby horde with his machine guns and was joined by Falcon and War Machine. Groot swung Stormbreaker around and smashed through another group of Outriders. 

 

Wanda Maximoff looked off into the distance and saw a group of Outriders who had broken through the Wakandan defense nearing the palace. She flew into the sky and off toward the building where Vision was being operated on. Shuri was not yet able to remove the stone from Vision's forehead but she had run out of time. The doors to the lab burst open and Shuri turned to face the attackers. Wanda aimed a psionic blast at the lab's window and busted through it to grab Vision and they flew back out the window. She guided them over to a small clearing in the otherwise densely tree lined forest nearby and laid Vision's weakened body down on the ground. 

 

Vision pleaded with her to destroy the stone. Grief overwhelmed Wanda because she knew that it was the only way to stop Thanos. She finally reluctantly agreed and conjured up all of the energy she could. A portal opened up behind her and before she could destroy the stone, Thanos stepped out and knocked her out with a powerful punch to the back of the head. He stepped toward Vision who fired an energy blast at the Mad Titan but he absorbed it with the Infinity gauntlet on his hand. Thanos lifted Vision's body into the air and gripped the Mind Stone between his thumb and index fingers and began to pry it from the synthezoid's forehead. Steve Rogers sprinted through the tree line and threw himself at Thanos, landing a right hook to the titan's head causing him to release Vision. He threw another hook, this time with his left fist, and landed another blow to the other side of his head. Steve cocked his left hand again and the wrist armor he wore turned into a shield. Thanos, regaining his composure, aimed a massive punch at Captain America who absorbed the blow with the new shield. Two more powerful punches were more than the armor could handle and the shield broke. Thanos aimed another punch at Cap who used both his arms to block and grabbed it. The mad titan was too powerful for the now defenseless Cap and he knocked him to one knee and landed several strong blows to Steve's body. Captain America folded to the ground and was defeated. Nothing now stood between Thanos and achieving victory.

 

Zacch (Captain America), an Avenger Bodyguard, has been killed on night 4.

 

 

 

The Black Order (Imran Ehsan, Robert2424, Lyner, and Preston) has defeated the Avengers.

RIP the Avengers. That's a Mafia win.

i fucking told you, roberto was scum

 

Socialism2.0 (4): Robert2424, Preston, Lyner, Imran Ehsan

that's the whole team, lol

 

 

The Black Order (Imran Ehsan, Robert2424, Lyner, and Preston) has defeated the Avengers.

 

 

called the whole fucking team....

TW likes keeping people in suspense.

dark fox and velo not voting fucked us

 

and MK u voting robert when no one else was hurt too.  imran should have been the lynch, and we wouldnt have lost...  

Pretty abysmal game for town. Idk how Robert wasn't more obvious to everyone except me and MK (and probably brewers but I think he was trying to play around Robert more), but that's how it goes sometimes. Honestly Preston was the best scum because his insanely long posts were a really smart way to say things that never amounted to much but felt pro town anyway. Lyner did his usual act of only saying enough to fly under the radar, idk how he keeps getting away with it but it's honestly impressive at this point lol.

 

GG, glad IRON mafia was back for a short time at least.

 

 

Idk how Robert wasn't more obvious to everyone except me and MK (and probably brewers but I think he was trying to play around Robert more)

 

 

Robert was still scum to me, but imran gave a lot of solid scum tells and evidence, and i felt it would be a lot easier to get town to follow on him to lynch him.   not sure why MK didnt switch to iman at the end tbh, and it really hurt DF and velo didnt vote at all

 

in my mind, if imran was lynched, lyner would have been a very easy follow up lynch from where i pointed out there similar posts, and then robert.  preston did a good job hiding for almost the whole game, def gotta give him credit.  what flipped him to scum in my mind was how he was really just posting summaries and not posting actual content and then kept slowly changing his opinion on me. it felt very planned at that point, so to me if there were three scum it was imran lyner robert and if 4 it was him with them

props to scum tho for how they played the last day.  knew it was mylo, so they made sure to get the inactive guy since it was an easy lynch.  

I thought we had more time. My bad for not clarifying the deadline. Overall I am pretty vexed at how many town got themselves killed. 

Good game all - you have no idea how stressful this was from our end!

 

I'll throw out some extra data for you since TW hasnt revealed the game setup yet. 

 

1. Mafia had daytalk. LWW speculated about this on D1 even

 

2. Mafia did NOT have safeclaims! In a lore-heavy themed game this was a MASSIVE source of stress for us.

 

3. Mafia setup was as follows: 

* Imran was Ascetic 1-shot Ninja - i.e. all night actions except kills would return "No Effect" and he had a 1-shot ninja kill

* Lyner was 1-shot bulletproof, 1-shot strongman

* Preston was 1-shot bulletproof Flavor Cop

* Robert was Roleblocker

 

4. NONE of us were Thanos. We were not given any information about the stones or what they would do. Our role PM included the line "You will win when the Black Order is the only faction remaining or when nothing can prevent the same." As a result we waffled back and forth between whether the stones would be helpful or harmful for us, whether there was another faction, and whether Thanos was actually in the game or not as a SK. 

 

5. Mafia night actions as follows:

N1: Lyner kill iSoc (normal kill), Preston investigates KevinH, Robert blocks Velocity, Imran no action

N2: Lyner kills TM (normal kill), Preston investigates MK, Robert blocks LWW, Imran no action

N3: Lyner kills LWW (strongman kill), Preston investigates iSoc2, Robert blocks Velocity, Imran no action

N4: Imran kills Zacch (ninja kill), Robert blocks MK, Preston investigates Brewers, Lyner no action

 

6. Our investigation results were as follows:

* Found a baton and a blonde hair (KevinH, Black Widow)

* Found a switchblade (MK, we believe Gamora)

* Detected a slight Gamma signature (iSoc2, Bruce Banner)

* Detected psionic energy (Brewers, Wanda)

 

7. After N3 Lyner lost his 1-shot bulletproof as a "Balancing decision" by TW, which REALLY freaked us out because we speculated there was a vigilante and/or a SK in the game - thus we needed to figure out a way to get through N4 without one of us dying. 

 

8. As of D4/N4 we were pretty solidly convinced that Brewers had to be Thanos as a SK who stood to win if he collected all the stones. This came out in our D4 posting, and our N4 planning involved gaming out how to neutralize both Brewers as Thanos and MK as a potential vigilante. We went kinda nuts debating how best to proceed, trying for a night where we both got a kill and none of us died, or that failing if one of us died we were in the best possible position to go into D5 to attack Brewers as Thanos.

 

9. TW reported our N4 actions on 9/10, but since the game hadn't started we spent a LONG time thinking that we were going to only later find out who of us had died and that D5 would be about to happen. 

 

10. If D5 had happened it would have been a struggle to make Brewers-as-Thanos stick. We relied on the idea that MK would confirm that my flavor results were real and that if one of us had died to make D5 happen at ALL it would have confirmed a SK was in the game because there would have been a mafia death. Our nightmare scenario was that BOTH Brewers was Thanos-as-SK and MK was vigilante (2 killing roles), and that if Robert had died we would not have a roleblock to stop MK on N5. Lyner losing his 1-shot bulletproof made us speculate that TW was giving the town more of a chance to night kill us and balance the game, which supported this possibility.

 

We started the game working from a strong fear of our claims being instant scum tells because our names would be either duplicates (instant fail) or weak (because we'd have to pick side characters to avoid main names), but by the end of the game we knew/suspected who most everyone was before we had to claim for ourselves. The fact of people treating stone names as instantly proven town was a serious wildcard that we griped about pretty hard - the complete reversal after Velocity's Vision claim showed how powerful that was.

 

Because we thought Thanos was in the game, that actually kept us away from a lot of otherwise obvious targets. We speculated Thanos would have bulletproof, thus we wanted to investigate any Thanos candidates first and then use strongman on him if found. This caused us a lot of problems overall in terms of who we let ourselves target, and was part of the reason we targeted less-obvious people.

 

We generally tried to keep Imran inactive at night so that he could claim Commuter if challenged - a weak claim, but the only way to justify the involuntary 'no result' he would give. We figured he'd claim Falcon or something that thematically fit.

 

I can confirm that killing Tony on N2 was NOT a personal thing at all. We had ended up with ALL of us off of the Kevin wagon, which left us in an awkward position. MK would have been perfect (he voted for Brewers) but we suspected MK as a possible Thanos target so we investigated first. We didnt kill iSoc2 due to him having JUST been replaced and possibly being able to use his very awkward day-end vote as potential lynch material later. We ultimately picked Tony because it was Kevin's chosen wagon, which made it look like scum were trying to throw doubt on those who had jumped in to save Kevin. We also had the logic that since TM was Kevin's pick, if Lyner was observed he could claim vigilante carrying out Kevin's guess. 

 

The chained claims at the end of D3 really narrowed the playing field, but also made our N3 actions kinda obvious - we HAD to kill the actual cop, and we didnt want to risk him surviving so we used Lyner's strongman to prevent Zacch's bodyguard from working - another doctor being in play wasnt even on our radar. We figured LWW would be watched so we HAD to roleblock Velocity. Investigating iSoc2 was because we thought he might be The Collector and have a stone, which would have massively affected our D4 plans if he was able to claim a stone name and be instantly considered proven town. We seriously were not expecting LWW to have the reality stone!

 

With the field narrowed so much on D4 that's when we REALLY started thinking that with so few people left Brewers had to be Thanos by process of elimination, and when he claimed universal backup that totally felt like a Thanos fakeclaim - the sequence of no action on N1, followed by getting a doctor power when the time stone was lost. As the 'flavor guy' I was the only one that could safely start speculating about Thanos at that point and seeding the attack on Brewers for the next day, wherein I would claim my investigation results had confirmed it if D5 occurred at all. But even so it was a VERY close call and somewhat tipped my hand.

 

For myself, what you saw of my posting style is pretty much how I am when I'm town as well. I tend to parse and give reactions/opinions to what has happened since my last post, then get into my own theories and speculation about suspects. This means my posts are pretty uniformly long but also show i'm giving opinions on everything that's happening instead of hiding my thoughts for the most part - Imran referenced this when he made fun of my walls of text, which is a thing I did way back when I played mafia here before. This game the town gave me a LOT of viable material to scum hunt with - the odd posts by Velocity and iSoc2 at the end of D2, Zacch being all over the place, and then Brewers' role oddity that we had to coax out of DF all made for viable 'something wrong here' fodder. If anything I felt I'd been a bit aggressive going after Velocity on D3 and then iSoc2 on D4 - that's gotten me into trouble sometimes as town too. 

 

I was also trying to seed from early on that I was very much paying attention to flavor in this game, to support my eventual claim if I had to make it. But in all seriousness TW has commented in the past that if we'd guessed more about the flavor setup for his games it could have led us to figuring things out, so I had that basis to work from. 

 

The flavor results we got were a little confounding because some of them had mixed interpretations - 'blonde' hair for black widow when she was redhead in Infinity War, switchblade could be Gamora OR Thanos, the slight gamma signature and psionic energy both could also have been references to Thanos since both of those apply to the stones/him. It felt like TW was denying us solid confirmation of if someone was/wasn't Thanos by the end. 

 

Overall there's no question we got REALLY lucky this game, both in our kill results and with town giving us plenty of red herrings to hide among. 

 

So yeah, good game to everyone! Brewers, you really had us worried all at several major points with how closely you were working out who was who - if we hadn't thought you might be a bulletproof Thanos you might have been our N4 kill target

 

Good Game All, lets start the next one.

 

 

Lyner's strongman to prevent Zacch's bodyguard from working

 

So Roberts fake anger was likely more about wasting lyner's stongman when I didn't bodyguard LWW. 

 

So Roberts fake anger was likely more about wasting lyner's stongman when I didn't bodyguard LWW. 

As Roleblocker, Robert was prepping to claim Jailer if he had to - the idea being that he was both protecting and blocking someone at the same time. His claimed anger was much for the same reason that Brewers had assumed you'd be blocking LWW, that Robert-as-Jailer was protecting Velocity's stone because he thought you'd be on someone else. 

 

Jailer isnt a great claim, especially with how blocking Velocity lined up with LWW's death, but it was all Robert really had to work with if he was tracked by DF on N3.

gg had fun. It was really fun strategising with Preston Lyner and robert on discord.