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[brewersalliance]

Didn't you say all you need to do is visit someone to be detected by a watcher? 

 

 

If your action does not go through then you never visited me....

@TW can we get an official vote count

[Zacch]

Let me be very clear about this.

 

 

I did not receive any type of notification or observe any outcome resulting from the targeting of brewers on night one.

 

 

I submitted my target to tw, he replied that he received it then 2 days later night ends and we all find out that Doctor Strange is dead. 

 

 

The only explanation anyone has provided is that either I or Velocity were roleblocked.

 

 

I don't know how I can be anymore clear without jeopardizing my identity anymore than I already have,

 

 

Its very likely I have already dug a grave for myself tonight with everything I've already revealed.

 

 

If my life is put in danger during the day, then I will have no choice but to role claim, but until that point, go kick rocks.

[brewersalliance]

well its hard to give any other explanation other than what we have since you are being very coy about your action lol

 

i highly doubt if youre town that scum will kill you tonight lol

[The Warrior]

Vote Count
 

Jazzy95 (4): Velocity, lilweirdward, Imran Ehsan, Brewersalliance

Velocity (3): Lord MK, Preston, iSocialism 2.0

Brewersalliance (1): Zacch

Zacch (1): Robert2424

Darkfox (0):

Imran Ehsan (0):

iSocialism2.0 (0):

lilweirdward (0):

Lord MK (0):

Lyner (0):

Preston (0):

Robert2424 (0): 

 

No Lynch (0):

 

Not Voting: Darkfox, Jazzy95, Lyner

 

With 12 players alive it takes 6 to lynch or 3 at deadline.
Deadline will be at 5:00PM CN Server time on Saturday, August 27th.

[Zacch]

well its hard to give any other explanation other than what we have since you are being very coy about your action lol

 

i highly doubt if youre town that scum will kill you tonight lol

 

Well for the sake of the town, I hope not.

 

But can we please talk about the other side of this equation. 11% chance that one of us were roleblocked, 6.3% chance that Velocity specifically was role blocked. Those probabilities, while possible, are not likely. Where is the scrutiny of Velocity? 

[lilweirdward]

@Zacch Yeah dude we don't know your claimed role, so how are we supposed to explain anything that would make sense to you? All we know is that Velocity was blocked somehow from watching brewers (the "No Result" on N1 vs "Did not detect action" on N2 confirms this), so he wouldn't have seen you or anyone else visit brewers that night. I have no idea how that squares with whatever you did because you're being extremely defensive about the limited information you've already shared.

At this point, I want jazzy to get on soon and attempt to defend himself, since he's currently going to be lynched tomorrow.

[Zacch]

All we know is that Velocity was blocked somehow from watching brewers (the "No Result" on N1 vs "Did not detect action" on N2 confirms this), so he wouldn't have seen you or anyone else visit brewers that night.

 

 

Velocity, on 26 Aug 2022 - 12:50, said: N1 I watched brewers, as he is always a prime target, not much aside from that. Nothing.

 

[brewersalliance]

But can we please talk about the other side of this equation. 11% chance that one of us were roleblocked, 6.3% chance that Velocity specifically was role blocked. Those probabilities, while possible, are not likely. Where is the scrutiny of Velocity? 

 

well you can say the same thing for your action. 6.3% chance you actually targeted me night 1 as well, so that is also not likely if we use your reasoning here....

[Zacch]

 

But can we please talk about the other side of this equation. 11% chance that one of us were roleblocked, 6.3% chance that Velocity specifically was role blocked. Those probabilities, while possible, are not likely. Where is the scrutiny of Velocity? 

 

well you can say the same thing for your action. 6.3% chance you actually targeted me night 1 as well, so that is also not likely if we use your reasoning here....

 

 

Velocity and I had the same 6.3% chance of being blocked... one in fifteen. or actually should it be one in fourteen?

[brewersalliance]

Velocity and I had the same 6.3% chance of being blocked... one in fifteen. or actually should it be one in fourteen?

 

 

 

okay and?  he got a no result which clearly means he was blocked lol

[Zacch]

Yes I know your position, that Velocity got roleblocked and therefore couldn't see me target brewers and if not that, then I was roleblocked and never actually visited brewers so therefore Velocity couldn't see me.

 

I think we'll have to agree to disagree, despite the low odds you are sticking to your theory. If I die tonight you all know who I think is scum.

 

LWW, Brewers and Velocity.

And I should change my vote.

 

Unvote 

 

Vote Velocity

[brewersalliance]

so you think velocity is lying about being vision?  when the real vision could just claim that he is indeed vision and thus confirm velocity is scum???

[iSocialism]

I don't like the whole chance thing. We also know there was a jack of all trades on night one That could added a block.

However, it does seem very strange that brewer is almost coaching velocity or what to do. And velocity information changes everytime something is added.

Velocity has a very bold claim that would be easily counter
I don't think they would go all in trying to save one.

I would really love to hear from MK

[lilweirdward]

All we know is that Velocity was blocked somehow from watching brewers (the "No Result" on N1 vs "Did not detect action" on N2 confirms this), so he wouldn't have seen you or anyone else visit brewers that night.

Velocity, on 26 Aug 2022 - 12:50, said: N1 I watched brewers, as he is always a prime target, not much aside from that. Nothing.

Omg dude, I'm on mobile so I don't feel like quoting it, but he classified it later to be exactly what I said.

Also you voting for Velocity shouldn't work because jazzy hit 4 votes first, but if it does and he flips town as his claimed role, you should consider yourself a massive idiot for wasting our lynch today. I think you are going to have a lot to learn and rethink once the game is over and you learn the setup with everyone's confirmed roles.
*clarified not classified. I hate auto complete lol

[Velocity]

Yes I know your position, that Velocity got roleblocked and therefore couldn't see me target brewers and if not that, then I was roleblocked and never actually visited brewers so therefore Velocity couldn't see me.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree, despite the low odds you are sticking to your theory. If I die tonight you all know who I think is scum.

LWW, Brewers and Velocity.

And I should change my vote.

Unvote

Vote Velocity

Zacch, I do honestly believe that you are town.

I want to offer a small word of advice: If you get me lynched, you will almost definitely die soon, and absolutely will be the principal lynch target tomorrow when I inevitably flip as Vision for how you’ve acted today. I doubt you will die tonight, as I will wager that there may not be any more protective roles, and scum will know that I am not lying about my role and that I am Vision, so I will be their next primary target to kill whether by discrediting and lynching, or by killing me during the night period.

[iSocialism]

Do you for sure know you have the mind stone or just a hunch

[Preston]

Whoa. Three+ pages since I last posted and went to work this morning @.@ 

 

 

Sure, that’s a fair point. I wanted to avoid a RC, so I tried to put out a hint, but since you’ve asked. I’ll just come out with it.

I’m Vision. Have the Mind Stone. Town Watcher.
When I said I was “more than a town aligned power role,” I meant to imply that I am town-aligned, and a power role, but also had more than that.

N1 I watched brewers, as he is always a prime target, not much aside from that. Nothing.
N2, Preston. I haven’t played with him before but he’s seemed pro-town and is a good addition/posted, and I had a feeling that Zacch might have been scum, so I wanted to see if Zacch *was* scum and did the noob move of trying to kill Preston for what he said, however, nothing came of this.

If I’m not lynched today, I have a sneaking suspicion I will die tonight anyways, unless we have another protective role like bodyguard and they decide I’m worth protecting.

You have DEFINITELY cut this one close to the end - I get that you wanted to avoid claiming, but the fact you had to be prodded this hard to save yourself has me facepalming a bit. I'm flattered you were watching out for me on N2 though

 

No way the stone holders are a safe claim since they clearly have a point in the game with the flavor… m

Velocity is 100% town

I'm getting echoes of D2 and Kevin's Black Widow role here, with all the talk about safe claims and being told that flavor doesn't matter much

 

All sarcasm aside, I'm with you on this one. Nobody is counter-claiming, and this would be an insanely ballsy claim to fake given the setup. 

 

 

N1 I watched brewers, as he is always a prime target, not much aside from that. Nothing.

 

I know Velocity is scum, because I targeted Brewers night 1 with my town role. 

This may also be me misunderstanding what a watcher can actually see, someone please explain and I will either reinforce my claim or withdraw it.

And then we get into all of THIS mess. Zacch directly pits himself against Velocity by trying to counter-claim, and despite what looks like 2 pages of coaching has not been able or willing to copy/paste his results and role PM into the thread to remove confusion about what he is even saying. 

 

If I'm reading all this right, Velocity watched Brewers N1 and was blocked, then watched me N2 and was not blocked but saw nothing. Unless I missed it catching up in what looks like a quote-war, Zacch hasn't actually said what his role IS that Velocity didn't see, either. 

 

Zacch, you are acting very strongly like you're trying to push people back onto Velocity after he's made his claim, and due to your newness you didn't realize that you were going to trap yourself by doing so. This just stacks with ALL of your other inconsistencies, pushing you toward the "newbie scum" definition instead of "newbie town".

 

So at THIS point my suspect list needs some pretty crazy revamping.

• This claim has pulled the rug out from under all the reasons Velocity had presented as scum, so obviously he's off the list. 
• iSoc2 I still want more of an explanation for that D2 vote on LWW that kept you off all other wagons
• Zacch moves up in the ranking for directly opposing Velocity and Brewers and generally being all over the place- it might still be newbiness, but he feels to be trying REAL hard to keep the wagon on Velocity despite the Mind Stone potentially being at stake.
• Robert unchanged - see my earlier post for detail - but he's at least participating in the discussion now.
• Jazzy remains not my top pick, but his earlier attempt to avoid voting and the fact he was on the Kevin wagon make him a more substantial pick than Kevin's stretch for Tony on D2. 

 

There's not a lot of time left in the day to debate about better wagon options, and the only clear choice at this point appears to be the one Velocity himself is picking - similar to Kevin's wagon on Tony, the only wagon being started by someone we solidly believe to be town. I'm a little late posting due to not getting to read anything since this morning, but let's keep Vision alive. 

 

Unvote

 

Vote: Jazzy

 

 

[brewersalliance]

Whoa. Three+ pages since I last posted and went to work this morning @.@ 

 

 

Sure, that’s a fair point. I wanted to avoid a RC, so I tried to put out a hint, but since you’ve asked. I’ll just come out with it.

I’m Vision. Have the Mind Stone. Town Watcher.
When I said I was “more than a town aligned power role,” I meant to imply that I am town-aligned, and a power role, but also had more than that.

N1 I watched brewers, as he is always a prime target, not much aside from that. Nothing.
N2, Preston. I haven’t played with him before but he’s seemed pro-town and is a good addition/posted, and I had a feeling that Zacch might have been scum, so I wanted to see if Zacch *was* scum and did the noob move of trying to kill Preston for what he said, however, nothing came of this.

If I’m not lynched today, I have a sneaking suspicion I will die tonight anyways, unless we have another protective role like bodyguard and they decide I’m worth protecting.

You have DEFINITELY cut this one close to the end - I get that you wanted to avoid claiming, but the fact you had to be prodded this hard to save yourself has me facepalming a bit. I'm flattered you were watching out for me on N2 though

 

No way the stone holders are a safe claim since they clearly have a point in the game with the flavor… m

Velocity is 100% town

I'm getting echoes of D2 and Kevin's Black Widow role here, with all the talk about safe claims and being told that flavor doesn't matter much

 

All sarcasm aside, I'm with you on this one. Nobody is counter-claiming, and this would be an insanely ballsy claim to fake given the setup. 

 

 

N1 I watched brewers, as he is always a prime target, not much aside from that. Nothing.

 

I know Velocity is scum, because I targeted Brewers night 1 with my town role. 

This may also be me misunderstanding what a watcher can actually see, someone please explain and I will either reinforce my claim or withdraw it.

And then we get into all of THIS mess. Zacch directly pits himself against Velocity by trying to counter-claim, and despite what looks like 2 pages of coaching has not been able or willing to copy/paste his results and role PM into the thread to remove confusion about what he is even saying. 

 

If I'm reading all this right, Velocity watched Brewers N1 and was blocked, then watched me N2 and was not blocked but saw nothing. Unless I missed it catching up in what looks like a quote-war, Zacch hasn't actually said what his role IS that Velocity didn't see, either. 

 

Zacch, you are acting very strongly like you're trying to push people back onto Velocity after he's made his claim, and due to your newness you didn't realize that you were going to trap yourself by doing so. This just stacks with ALL of your other inconsistencies, pushing you toward the "newbie scum" definition instead of "newbie town".

 

So at THIS point my suspect list needs some pretty crazy revamping.

• This claim has pulled the rug out from under all the reasons Velocity had presented as scum, so obviously he's off the list. 
• iSoc2 I still want more of an explanation for that D2 vote on LWW that kept you off all other wagons
• Zacch moves up in the ranking for directly opposing Velocity and Brewers and generally being all over the place- it might still be newbiness, but he feels to be trying REAL hard to keep the wagon on Velocity despite the Mind Stone potentially being at stake.
• Robert unchanged - see my earlier post for detail - but he's at least participating in the discussion now.
• Jazzy remains not my top pick, but his earlier attempt to avoid voting and the fact he was on the Kevin wagon make him a more substantial pick than Kevin's stretch for Tony on D2. 

 

There's not a lot of time left in the day to debate about better wagon options, and the only clear choice at this point appears to be the one Velocity himself is picking - similar to Kevin's wagon on Tony, the only wagon being started by someone we solidly believe to be town. I'm a little late posting due to not getting to read anything since this morning, but let's keep Vision alive. 

 

Unvote

 

Vote: Jazzy

 

Well i mean the stone holder part,  if he claimed like spider-man that could be a fake claim with a safe claim given by tw, but the stones are being singled out in the flavor so they have some bearing on the game.  no way  stone holder is a scum safe claim.  

 

 

as for the scum list, I agree mine has changed a lot but i will wait for what happens at night to go over it again and how jazzy flips.  

 

Velocity has moved up with dark fox for me for 99.9% chance of being town 

[lilweirdward]

Just a reminder that jazzy is now at L-1, meaning one more vote and he's immediately lynched which will end the day early. I would really like him to at least have a chance to defend himself before someone drops the hammer.

[DarkFox]

Just a reminder that jazzy is now at L-1, meaning one more vote and he's immediately lynched which will end the day early. I would really like him to at least have a chance to defend himself before someone drops the hammer.

 

I agree. I am going to continue to hold off my vote until we hear from him.