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[Falzis]

sorry, i was referring to the EM lynch. anyway, i thought mole was the real doc then so i decided to follow his lead. when SJ claimed seer i went for a EM lynch instead. that's day 2.

Well, we're talking about D3. If you knew mole was the real doc, why did you switch your vote to me?

[junkahoolik]

i feel like i'm going around in circles here...

[Falzis]

Well sorry but I wasn't able to see your answer, if you've answered that question. You said you were talking about the EM lynch.

[Falzis]

day 3, as i said before, after the whole EM scum claim thingy i decided that AoD stands a high chance of being a doc. i just was wondering about his win conditions. i'm not sure even now if he wins with the town or with the scum if the summoner gets lynched. combining that with the pm flavor text being exposed and you falling into the trap, i think that there are 3 possible scum in this game. those are you (who didn't understand what CV said about it being a scary night), kazio and crazy. i was hesitant to vote for you because you seemed to know that mole was a doc yesterday. as i said a few posts back, i would better lynch kazio. but your outbreak looks scummy. and i dunno why i get the impression that you are twisting my words... so i'm voting for you.

alright i assume this is your answer. but it's very convoluted. i want a straight answer. You were willing to give AoD the benefit of the doubt as to his win condition despite having gotten the hint of mole (which i doubt you really did, i think you just claimed to get the hint now on D4)? You were hesitant to vote for me and wanted to vote Kazio yet you didn't?

[junkahoolik]

as i said, with a cop out, i thought it wasn't a good strategy to lynch a potential doc. and i would have voted for kazio if thought i had enough time to convince others to vote for him. but it was the last day and you were almost as good of a lynch target as him so...

[Falzis]

But you would have had to choose between mole and AoD as the doc, that is if you really got mole's hint, which I still believe you jsut pretended to have gotten in your post on D4...

[junkahoolik]

i chose between them on d2. then i thought AoD was a doc as well as mole just aligned to the mafia. but, after the summoner gets lynched, i hoped he'd win with the town so i chose to hunt the summoner. so that's what i'm doing now and that's what i did at the end of d3. and i think the summoner is either you or kazio now. so i'm keeping my vote. also, where is everyone else??

[Falzis]

Why give benefit of the doubt that a role claimed doc could win with the town if the summoner was lynched? Look at EM and AoD's role. Demon and Golem. Mole is a Cleric. SJ is a Seer. By parallelism, the former are non-humans. Mole and SJ are some humans with magic.

Also, even if that were the case, wasn't it better to lynch AoD than me on D3 if by the looks of it he was controlled as well? Why do you want to give the summoner AoD's power? And in the face of mole's roleclaim, don't you think two docs can't coexist? Meaning that if there are two docs, both of them can't be good.

[CanucksDynasty]

I have nothing else to add.
So my vote will stand where it is (on Falzis).

It's up to the rest of you (mole, sj, kazio, crazy, aquinas, falzis) to make the correct lynch.

CD.

[junkahoolik]

i think i answered enough questions already. i will say this again though, a doc is a doc. mafia aligned or town aligned, whoever he protects now, with the vig dead, is good for the town. with this i close my case. if you want me to change my vote, do something townie instead of trying to rebuff my logic.

[Sir Jesus]

i think i answered enough questions already. i will say this again though, a doc is a doc. mafia aligned or town aligned, whoever he protects now, with the vig dead, is good for the town. with this i close my case. if you want me to change my vote, do something townie instead of trying to rebuff my logic.

Hmm. This is false logic assuming a few things...

- There are 3 factions: Town, Summoner, "Mafia"
- The win-condition for summoner is be the remaining player (except its minions)
- If the "Mafia" has a NK, then eliminating the Summoner or their minions is beneficial to the town

Of course, the loss of the Golem is devastating to the Summoner...

Vote: Junkahoolik

I get a strange vibe from you. I have not had a dream or any other substantial evidence, but I believe that you controlled EM and AoD.

[molestargazer]

Mega apologies for my absence. Neither had the time nor the inclination to post recently. Huge workload increase this year.
I will do my best to get going again and not to flake.

[junkahoolik]

Hmm. This is false logic assuming a few things...

- There are 3 factions: Town, Summoner, "Mafia"
- The win-condition for summoner is be the remaining player (except its minions)
- If the "Mafia" has a NK, then eliminating the Summoner or their minions is beneficial to the town

Of course, the loss of the Golem is devastating to the Summoner...

Vote: Junkahoolik

I get a strange vibe from you. I have not had a dream or any other substantial evidence, but I believe that you controlled EM and AoD.

so, in other words, you're voting on me because you don't like my assumptions??

[Sir Jesus]

No, that is just one factor in the conglomeration that comprises my gut reaction that you are not on the town's side.

[Falzis]

Why give benefit of the doubt that a role claimed doc could win with the town if the summoner was lynched? Look at EM and AoD's role. Demon and Golem. Mole is a Cleric. SJ is a Seer. By parallelism, the former are non-humans. Mole and SJ are some humans with magic.

Also, even if that were the case, wasn't it better to lynch AoD than me on D3 if by the looks of it he was controlled as well? Why do you want to give the summoner AoD's power? And in the face of mole's roleclaim, don't you think two docs can't coexist? Meaning that if there are two docs, both of them can't be good.

With this

Vote: junkahoolic

[Narsis]

"The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly" VC

Falzis - 2 (junkahoolik, CanucksDynasty)
junkahoolik - 2 (Sir Jesus, Falzis)

Also thought i'd remind everyone that it's 5 to lynch and 3 for half lynch.

[junkahoolik]

no case no nothing?? :|

[CanucksDynasty]

Hmm. This is false logic assuming a few things...

- There are 3 factions: Town, Summoner, "Mafia"
- The win-condition for summoner is be the remaining player (except its minions)
- If the "Mafia" has a NK, then eliminating the Summoner or their minions is beneficial to the town

Of course, the loss of the Golem is devastating to the Summoner...

Vote: Junkahoolik

I get a strange vibe from you. I have not had a dream or any other substantial evidence, but I believe that you controlled EM and AoD.

Something about this game doesn't add up.

Why wasn't there any nk for 2 nights now?
Was it because the docs were able to protect their targets?

We know that the pro-town vig (KevinH) and sk (EM) were lynched. That's 2 people with killing abilities. However, in normal games, even the mafia would be able to nk regardless if a sk existed or not. If they could only kill by using the sk, then mafia are at a severe disadvantage.

And with 12 people in this game...there shouldn't be many power roles left. We already have 1 pro-town vig, 1 ind sk, 1 ind doc. We also have roleclaim 1 pro-town doc (mole) and 1 pro-town seer/cop (SJ). That's 5 power roles so far with no mafia yet. I doubt there is only one mafia so it should be at least 2. That would leave 5 townies left (one which was Martino).

SJ has roleclaimed seer and lead the lynch on EM. Mole roleclaimed doc and lead the lynch of AoD. Since no-one has counter-claimed either one of them, it is safe to presume that they are indeed pro-town. It is also safe to assume that there probably isn't anymore pro-town roles (cuz KevinH was pro-town vig). So out of the remaining players (CD, Falzis, junkahoolic, Aquinas, Kaziocore, crazyemolad) should be 2 mafia. That's a 33% chance of lynching mafia. That's pretty good odds.

I have already casted my vote on Falzis (see previous post as to why). I have made assumptions that junk and Aquinas are townies (see previous posts) and I think crazyemolad is also a townie cuz he replaced Theo (most likely a townie role). So that just leaves Kazio...who, if I am correct in my assumptions, is the last mafia.

So to sum up...I think Falzis and Kazio are mafia.

[CanucksDynasty]

Oh my god.... Here it goes again.

I'm a member of this town, just like the rest of you. I am pro-town, not self-aligned. I have no faction other than the town itself.

I sleep at night and have dreams. When I dream, I tune into a stressful event. The information available to me is completely random.

But SJ...you still haven't told us what you meant by that someone else knows what you know. That's the part I don't get. You say you have dreams that you can't control. But even if that is so...then why should someone else know what you know????

I asked you before and Falzis asked you before. Yet you haven't clearly answered this.

[Aquinas]

At this point I am not convinced wither party in question is scum and as such I do not feel comfortable tossing in a half lynch on either because it seems for now that a half lynch may be all we will reach.

Vote: crazyemolad

Theophilos/crazyemolad is the only person who did not vote for both ElectricMango and Angel of Doom. This seems to me to make him the most likely candidate to be the controller. Granted the controller is not necessarily scum he is necessarily not-town and as a possibility to be scum. I think this voting record provides better evidence than I have been able to decipher from the bickering that has built up the day thus far. Also, interestingly enough Theophilos did vote for KevinH on day 1.

Also, I would like to insert my concern that no suspicion has been brought on CannuckDynasty almost the entire game. This concerns me because he has done a very good job of controlling and prodding people for information. We seem to be letting such a big voice off easy but, we've got his word afterall. I can't deduce anything scummy from his vote patterns and that goes a long way, does anyone have a better read on his actions?