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[Kaziocore]

HMMM I think AoD should be in the Mafia and Mole in the pro-town roles. But also, I don't think the Pro-town "Summoner" controls SJ or Mole. SJ has said his powers are uncontrollably random while Mole's is controllable. Lastly, I think it was junk's thesis that if self-aligneds die, they could become pro-town. I've already disapproved of this thesis but again, even if that were true, why let them live (junk's justification of unvoting AoD) and allow the controller to use their powers?

Okay I thought SJ was controlled so it's like this?

Mafia Summoner Controls...
EM (Demon)
AoD (Golem)
XXXXX

Pro-Town Counterpart or something....
KevinH (Vigilante)
Mole (Doctor)
SJ (Seer)

So XXXXX could be someone that investigates people or something.

[Kaziocore]

To carry on Kazio and Falzis train of thought....

Wouldn't it be more reasonable to see something like this:

Mafia Summoner (xxxxx) Controls...
EM (Demon)
AoD (Doc)

Pro-Town Summoner (KevinH) Controls...
Mole (Cleric)
SJ (Seer)


@Falzis - you're assuming that everything SJ and Mole are telling the truth. But if they are self-aligned...seeing that KevinH got lynched on D1...they would have full control of their abilities anyways.

And a counterpart to a seer would probably be a role-blocker.

But Mole and SJ are not controlled right?

[CanucksDynasty]

I felt him killing. I knew he had slain someone that night, but didn't know until the morning with the rest of you.

I knew that molestargazer was at my house, but did not know his intentions or his faction.

And do not count out the possibility of 4 pro-town power rules....

@ Kazio: What is your take on the current situation.

@SJ - no no no. I'm not talking about your N3 actions. I'm talking about your N2 actions. You clearly posted that you receive info every night and someone else is too. That post was during D3 (prior to N3). You then said that you knew a power role and knew who it was as to explain that post. So that should mean you got that info on N2.

And if there were 4 pro-town power roles...then there should be at least 5 mafia as a counter balance...leaving just 3 vanilla townies?
I don't think so.

A more probable scenario would be 3 pro-town, 4 mafia, 5 vanilla townies.

[CanucksDynasty]

But Mole and SJ are not controlled right?

Yeah...that's assuming that KevinH was their controller and they get control of their abilities once their controller dies (ie. from what EM and AoD said).

[CanucksDynasty]

Mole was not there because I know he's not being controlled

How do you know for sure that Mole is not being controlled?

[Kaziocore]

Yeah...that's assuming that KevinH was their controller and they get control of their abilities once their controller dies (ie. from what EM and AoD said).

But SJ said that he's only a member of this town just like the rest of us...

Oh my god.... Here it goes again.

I'm a member of this town, just like the rest of you. I am pro-town, not self-aligned. I have no faction other than the town itself.

I sleep at night and have dreams. When I dream, I tune into a stressful event. The information available to me is completely random.

[Kaziocore]

How do you know for sure that Mole is not being controlled?

I assumed he's not being controlled because he only said that he's doc or something. When he comes back he can tell us these things.

[CanucksDynasty]

But SJ said that he's only a member of this town just like the rest of us...

Again...that's assuming he's telling the truth. Same thing with Mole.

The scenario I put forth of 2 wizards dueling was to try to find an explaination as to why we went 2 nights without a kill. I can't believe that mafia would not kill 2 nights in a row. Mafia knew that SJ was a seer and AoD was a doc cuz they roleclaimed. But why wasn't anyone else targeted...(ie. me, you, etc)???????

I'm almost curious to go with a no-lynch to see if Mafia did lose their nk ability.

[Kaziocore]

Again...that's assuming he's telling the truth. Same thing with Mole.

The scenario I put forth of 2 wizards dueling was to try to find an explaination as to why we went 2 nights without a kill. I can't believe that mafia would not kill 2 nights in a row. Mafia knew that SJ was a seer and AoD was a doc cuz they roleclaimed. But why wasn't anyone else targeted...(ie. me, you, etc)???????

I'm almost curious to go with a no-lynch to see if Mafia did lose their nk ability.

It's possible that on Day 2, SJ was protected by Mole then on Day 3, the mafia thought that the town lynched the town's only "doc" so they tried to kill SJ again but fortunately they failed again.

[Sir Jesus]

@SJ - no no no. I'm not talking about your N3 actions. I'm talking about your N2 actions. You clearly posted that you receive info every night and someone else is too. That post was during D3 (prior to N3). You then said that you knew a power role and knew who it was as to explain that post. So that should mean you got that info on N2.

And if there were 4 pro-town power roles...then there should be at least 5 mafia as a counter balance...leaving just 3 vanilla townies?
I don't think so.

A more probable scenario would be 3 pro-town, 4 mafia, 5 vanilla townies.

*Sigh* I'll say it again...

I received information on N2, and I will not be sharing it until the time is pertinent.

I'm not sure if I'm being controlled, but I don't really think that I am. I have no deep connections with any particular person here, and I know for a fact I am not self-aligned. Only when the town's enemies are dead may I rest peacefully.

[Falzis]

When's the deadline?

[Kaziocore]

October 16

[CanucksDynasty]

It's possible that on Day 2, SJ was protected by Mole then on Day 3, the mafia thought that the town lynched the town's only "doc" so they tried to kill SJ again but fortunately they failed again.

Yeah...it's a possibility. If Mafia thought AoD was the only doc in the game. If so...then it would be reasonable to think mafia would want AoD lynched. IIRC...it was mole, Falzis, Aquinas and SJ that voted for AoD. If we believe in mole and SJ roleclaim...then that leaves Falzis and Aquinas.

[molestargazer]

I'm not pulling my weight. There's simply little time, and little inclination to catch up.

Rather than leave you guys with an inactive player..
MOD: Requesting replacement.

I hate having to do this. Sorry, guys.

[junkahoolik]

falzis, it wasn't a case of letting AoD live. it was one of trying to find the summoner first. and the explications weren't to say that "here is how things are" they were more of "this is why i played like i played".
anyway, i doubt that kevin was a summoner or a summoned being since his color is green in the dead people list and he has written to his right "pro town". so either there are 2 summoners and one is pro town or there is just 1 summoner. if there are 2 summoners and one is protown, he'd be at a severe disadvantage with both the town players and the other summoner and his minions after his tail. so i doubt that very much. i also think that SJ has info on falzis since he seemed to defend him on d3 and d4. i would very much like to hear what he has to say. also, if he is so sure that falzis isn't scum, i'll move my vote to theo's replacement. i find it dubious that he asked to be replaced at around the same time when EM got lynched. could it be that he lost his nk ability with EM's loss and considered it a lost cause??

unvote

vote: crazyemolad

[junkahoolik]

ebwop:

if there are 2 summoners and one is protown, the other one would be at a severe disadvantage with both the town players and the other summoner and his minions after his tail.

[junkahoolik]

also, maybe a no lynch day would be good with the 2 days without maf nk. it would also mean that sj gets another read which would be good.

[crazyemolad]

[CanucksDynasty]

Very helpful

[CanucksDynasty]

Long weekend.
72 hr absence notice.
I'll check in but won't post much.

CD.