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[CanucksDynasty]

Hmmm, I don't know what to say. I almost want the town to do a no-lynch this go around. There has not been a NK since EM has been silenced, so I don't see a reason to rush and lynch someone. I'm getting information every night, and I know that someone else is too. Why not get more information before lynching?

Of course, there is the risk that someone will get NKed. In that case, it would obviously be better to try and eliminate the scum the best we can with the information available.

@SJ - this is the post I'm referring too. How do you know someone else is getting info every night too?????

[CanucksDynasty]

Here is an out-of-the box thinking/theory regarding the game setup.

What if....the game was a dual between 2 wizards that could only use summoned beings (1 sk, 1 doc, and 1 seer).
That would be 5 power roles and 7 plain townies.

For example...

Pro-town: KevinH

Self-Aligned: EM, AoD, SJ

Mafia: Mole


That would explain why there wasn't any nk for 2 nights (ie. no sk to do the killing) and explain why no counter-claim on SJ or Mole. It would also explain why there are so many "self-aligned" roles.

[CanucksDynasty]

@SJ - also...who did you see on N2? I think it might be best to share this info now since Mole has roleclaimed doc. It only makes sense that mafia would target either you or mole this night (providing they even do a nk since we haven't seen one for 2 nights so far). It would be helpful info to the rest of the town.

[CanucksDynasty]

At this point I am not convinced wither party in question is scum and as such I do not feel comfortable tossing in a half lynch on either because it seems for now that a half lynch may be all we will reach.

Vote: crazyemolad

Theophilos/crazyemolad is the only person who did not vote for both ElectricMango and Angel of Doom. This seems to me to make him the most likely candidate to be the controller. Granted the controller is not necessarily scum he is necessarily not-town and as a possibility to be scum. I think this voting record provides better evidence than I have been able to decipher from the bickering that has built up the day thus far. Also, interestingly enough Theophilos did vote for KevinH on day 1.

Also, I would like to insert my concern that no suspicion has been brought on CannuckDynasty almost the entire game. This concerns me because he has done a very good job of controlling and prodding people for information. We seem to be letting such a big voice off easy but, we've got his word afterall. I can't deduce anything scummy from his vote patterns and that goes a long way, does anyone have a better read on his actions?

It's OK if you're suspicous of me. I'm suspicous of others as well (as seen in my posts).

As far as controlling the game...not really me. We had a KevinH lynch (that I removed my vote on), a EM lynch (that I voted cuz SJ strongly hinted), and AoD lynch (that I did not vote for). As you can see...I hardly had any influence on the people that got lynched. I am being vocal cuz that's the only thing I can do as a townie. I prod people cuz the town needs info.

[crazyemolad]

At this point I am not convinced wither party in question is scum and as such I do not feel comfortable tossing in a half lynch on either because it seems for now that a half lynch may be all we will reach.

Vote: crazyemolad

Theophilos/crazyemolad is the only person who did not vote for both ElectricMango and Angel of Doom. This seems to me to make him the most likely candidate to be the controller. Granted the controller is not necessarily scum he is necessarily not-town and as a possibility to be scum. I think this voting record provides better evidence than I have been able to decipher from the bickering that has built up the day thus far. Also, interestingly enough Theophilos did vote for KevinH on day 1.

Also, I would like to insert my concern that no suspicion has been brought on CannuckDynasty almost the entire game. This concerns me because he has done a very good job of controlling and prodding people for information. We seem to be letting such a big voice off easy but, we've got his word afterall. I can't deduce anything scummy from his vote patterns and that goes a long way, does anyone have a better read on his actions?

well thats mean, i am more of a peaceful person that doesent mind the casual hanging of random people and do enough to get by. but a vote is a vote and i vote

Vote - junkahoolic

^ has a lot of info on everyone, yea it might be logic but is there a thing as too much logic?

[Sir Jesus]

But SJ...you still haven't told us what you meant by that someone else knows what you know. That's the part I don't get. You say you have dreams that you can't control. But even if that is so...then why should someone else know what you know????

I asked you before and Falzis asked you before. Yet you haven't clearly answered this.

I said that I know that there is another power-role. I know who the person is. And that's it. I will not be releasing either of these details.


Aquinas: Good point.

[CanucksDynasty]

I said that I know that there is another power-role. I know who the person is. And that's it. I will not be releasing either of these details.


Aquinas: Good point.

No...this is the exact quote "I'm getting information every night, and I know that someone else is too". In that post you didn't mention anything about another power role.

BUT...if you do know who the person is...and he/she has a power role...I find it unlikely that person is pro-town.

On D4, you pointed out that you had visions of Mole (who roleclaimed a pro-town power role) so that would be your N3 action. So it can't be mole whom you saw on N2. And we already have KevinH as the pro-town vig. So are you actually stating that we have 4 pro-town roles???

KevinH
mole
SJ
identity unknown seen in N2????

4 pro-town roles in a game of 12 seems to be stacked in the townies favour.

[Sir Jesus]

I do not know the person's intentions, nor do I know their faction

[CanucksDynasty]

I do not know the person's intentions, nor do I know their faction

What did you get when you saw EM then?

[CanucksDynasty]

I do not know the person's intentions, nor do I know their faction

If you didn't know the person's intentions or factions...then how would you that there was another power-role beside mole?
You even had to have mole roleclaim he was doc.

And if there is another power-role besides mole...then surely it can't be pro-town. 4 pro-town roles is too much in a game of 12.

[Kaziocore]

If you didn't know the person's intentions or factions...then how would you that there was another power-role beside mole?
You even had to have mole roleclaim he was doc.

And if there is another power-role besides mole...then surely it can't be pro-town. 4 pro-town roles is too much in a game of 12.

You'll never as this game is full of surprises.

[Sir Jesus]

What did you get when you saw EM then?

I felt him killing. I knew he had slain someone that night, but didn't know until the morning with the rest of you.

If you didn't know the person's intentions or factions...then how would you that there was another power-role beside mole?
You even had to have mole roleclaim he was doc.

And if there is another power-role besides mole...then surely it can't be pro-town. 4 pro-town roles is too much in a game of 12.

I knew that molestargazer was at my house, but did not know his intentions or his faction.

And do not count out the possibility of 4 pro-town power rules....


@ Kazio: What is your take on the current situation.

[Falzis]

At this point I am not convinced wither party in question is scum and as such I do not feel comfortable tossing in a half lynch on either because it seems for now that a half lynch may be all we will reach.

Vote: crazyemolad

Theophilos/crazyemolad is the only person who did not vote for both ElectricMango and Angel of Doom. This seems to me to make him the most likely candidate to be the controller. Granted the controller is not necessarily scum he is necessarily not-town and as a possibility to be scum. I think this voting record provides better evidence than I have been able to decipher from the bickering that has built up the day thus far. Also, interestingly enough Theophilos did vote for KevinH on day 1.

Also, I would like to insert my concern that no suspicion has been brought on CannuckDynasty almost the entire game. This concerns me because he has done a very good job of controlling and prodding people for information. We seem to be letting such a big voice off easy but, we've got his word afterall. I can't deduce anything scummy from his vote patterns and that goes a long way, does anyone have a better read on his actions?

I've voiced previously what you have thought re CD. I said he could be the controller. Good vote though on crazy since his vote on junk, he has my FOS because of the lack of rationale and participation in discussion it seems like a wagon vote.

[Falzis]

I felt him killing. I knew he had slain someone that night, but didn't know until the morning with the rest of you.



I knew that molestargazer was at my house, but did not know his intentions or his faction.

And do not count out the possibility of 4 pro-town power rules....


@ Kazio: What is your take on the current situation.

Hmm from what it looks like you are able to investigate people uncontrollably, but only people who use powers. So when EM killed, you saw it. When mole protected, you saw it. So now I'm assuming from what you have said you have seen another power being used during the night and most likely this has something to do with getting information (from what you said that CD quoted).

[Falzis]

Here is an out-of-the box thinking/theory regarding the game setup.

What if....the game was a dual between 2 wizards that could only use summoned beings (1 sk, 1 doc, and 1 seer).
That would be 5 power roles and 7 plain townies.

For example...

Pro-town: KevinH

Self-Aligned: EM, AoD, SJ

Mafia: Mole


That would explain why there wasn't any nk for 2 nights (ie. no sk to do the killing) and explain why no counter-claim on SJ or Mole. It would also explain why there are so many "self-aligned" roles.

good thinking out of the box. though why put mole in the mafia?

I think that is a possible set-up. A duel between two wizards would fit the theme of the game. My only problem as you've said is that there would be a lot of power roles. Given that we've had proven self-aligned SK and Golem, proven pro-town Vig, and role claimed pro-town Cleric, Seer, it would seem that by parallelism it implies that there is a self-aligned counterpart of the Seer. Only then would the battle be even. Otherwise, whoever is controlling those self-aligned would be too powerful. Don't think Narsis would create an imbalanced set-up.

Who is the Controller, the Seer's counterpart, and the Controller's counterpart? It would be a lot of power roles but then again this is Mage Wars after all. Zany as it seems but from everything we have it all fits.

[junkahoolik]

for me it seems that SJ can only see a action that happened during the night. also, interesting theory on the 2 wizards battling each other.

[Kaziocore]

I felt him killing. I knew he had slain someone that night, but didn't know until the morning with the rest of you.



I knew that molestargazer was at my house, but did not know his intentions or his faction.

And do not count out the possibility of 4 pro-town power rules....


@ Kazio: What is your take on the current situation.

I am 100% certain that there are 4 self-aligned summoned beings and I'm thinking like this...

Mafia Summoner Controls...
EM (Demon)
XXXXX

Pro-Town Summoner Controls...
AoD (Golem)
SJ (Seer)

But it does not mean that XXXXX is anti-town like EM as he's only controlled by the summoner so when his scum summoner dies, he could use it to help the townies.

[Falzis]

I am 100% certain that there are 4 self-aligned summoned beings and I'm thinking like this...

Mafia Summoner Controls...
EM (Demon)
XXXXX

Pro-Town Summoner Controls...
AoD (Golem)
SJ (Seer)

But it does not mean that XXXXX is anti-town like EM as he's only controlled by the summoner so when his scum summoner dies, he could use it to help the townies.

HMMM I think AoD should be in the Mafia and Mole in the pro-town roles. But also, I don't think the Pro-town "Summoner" controls SJ or Mole. SJ has said his powers are uncontrollably random while Mole's is controllable. Lastly, I think it was junk's thesis that if self-aligneds die, they could become pro-town. I've already disapproved of this thesis but again, even if that were true, why let them live (junk's justification of unvoting AoD) and allow the controller to use their powers?

[Kaziocore]

Mole was not there because I know he's not being controlled

[CanucksDynasty]

To carry on Kazio and Falzis train of thought....

Wouldn't it be more reasonable to see something like this:

Mafia Summoner (xxxxx) Controls...
EM (Demon)
AoD (Doc)

Pro-Town Summoner (KevinH) Controls...
Mole (Cleric)
SJ (Seer)


@Falzis - you're assuming that everything SJ and Mole are telling the truth. But if they are self-aligned...seeing that KevinH got lynched on D1...they would have full control of their abilities anyways.

And a counterpart to a seer would probably be a role-blocker.