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[Sir Jesus]

Sir Jesus - i don't know what to think of him. i had to ask him explicitly D4 what the name of his role was. he never said anything except that he wasn't the cop before that. afraid he would get counterclaimed maybe?? he also showed no fear of getting nk'd during N3. would have expected a investigative role to really know he is the one who will be targeted first and to be a lot more defensive.

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also, what's the basis for your vote on CD, SJ??

Honestly, I hate copying anything from the message out of modkill fear. Also, I have deleted my original mafia message (way too many Stim messages) so I can't directly reference it. I know that I win with the elimination of all anti-town factions, and that I receive random tidbits of information during the night.

Showed no fear? What are you talking about? I've asked multiple times for the doctor to protect me, and since I've been the only pro-town, non-doc role to surface I figured anyone with half a brain would guard me.

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He has been pressing me subtly for information for quite a while. I have no "concrete" evidence at the moment, but he definitely strikes me as scummy.

[angel of doom]

besides EM pointing you calling you out by name just before he died and your refusal to reveal your N2 info? no nothing at all

look if your worried about the scum targeting this person then i'll protect them at night, but as of now the only useful info you've given us is EM, if you can take one more person off our scum list then its worth the risk


@mod vote count?

[Narsis]

The "As Requested" VC

Falzis - 1 (CanucksDynasty)
junkahoolik - 1 (crazyemolad)
crazyemolad - 1 (Aquinas)
Sir Jesus - 1 (angel of doom)
CanucksDynasty - 1 (Sir Jesus)

Not voting - 3 (Falzis, junkahoolik, Kaziocore)

Also thought i'd confirm that yes aod is replacing mole. however, as he said he can't win, nor can he discuss his previous role.

Also, deadline is Oct. 16th. Majority lynch is 5, half lynch is 3.

[angel of doom]

if by tomorrow we're not close to a half majority can we get an extension since the thread stalled for a couple days?

[Narsis]

That sounds reasonable considering Thanksgiving.

[CanucksDynasty]

For two simple reasons I will not release this information:
- Weakens the town in the long run, we want to keep pro-town identities hidden (if this person is hidden)
- There is no reason to release the information, the person is not in danger of being lynched. Nor have they dropped any breadcrumbs for me or others to pick up on.


There is little to no benefit for naming this person or their ability.


However, the mafia would freakin' LOVE to know this person's identity.......

vote: Canucksdynasty

Oh please....you guys call me a veteran and yet you think that I would be mafia pushing for you to tell me what you know. HOW BIG OF A TARGET DO YOU WANT ME TO PAINT ON MY BACK??????? And...this is how I play my games...I ask questions...I keep asking questions until I'm satisfied.

/rant

AND I don't see how this weakens the town in the long run. Assuming you and AoD (mole replacement) are telling the truth...that leaves 6 people to take into account for. If you provided info...that would be one person less to look at.

I'll say it again...with Aod (doc) and SJ (you the seer)...why the hell would mafia want to target anybody else? What other pro-town power could be better to kill than those? We already lost the vig...so that can't be it.

I'm starting to think you are a "self-aligned" and that doesn't necessarily mean your win with the town.

[CanucksDynasty]

Honestly, I hate copying anything from the message out of modkill fear. Also, I have deleted my original mafia message (way too many Stim messages) so I can't directly reference it. I know that I win with the elimination of all anti-town factions, and that I receive random tidbits of information during the night.

Showed no fear? What are you talking about? I've asked multiple times for the doctor to protect me, and since I've been the only pro-town, non-doc role to surface I figured anyone with half a brain would guard me.

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He has been pressing me subtly for information for quite a while. I have no "concrete" evidence at the moment, but he definitely strikes me as scummy.

How have I been "subtly" asking for info??
I came out and asked you straight up to tell me about N2.

You may be frustrated with my line of questioning but to me...you failed to answer repeated questions, gave answers that weren't related to questions asked. Thus I keep asking till I'm satisfied.

[Aquinas]

If we reach the end of the day without a majority vote lynch do we lynch the first person to reach a half majority? If so, as it stands Junkahoolik will be lynch at the end of the day. The extension requested came on the terms that we didn't have a half majority lynch. We seem to however.

"The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly" VC

Falzis - 2 (junkahoolik, CanucksDynasty)
junkahoolik - 2 (Sir Jesus, Falzis)

Also thought i'd remind everyone that it's 5 to lynch and 3 for half lynch.

Then I voted for Crazyemolad. #820
Crazyemolad then voted for Junkahoolik. #825

Thats three (the half majority) first reached today by Junkahoolik. He will by lynched unless we reach five voted on someone else as I understand the rules. I'm just hoping everyone is aware of this.

Further, I'll keep my vote where it is. I don't see any reason to change it.
Currently

The "As Requested" VC

Falzis - 1 (CanucksDynasty)
junkahoolik - 1 (crazyemolad)
crazyemolad - 1 (Aquinas)
Sir Jesus - 1 (angel of doom)
CanucksDynasty - 1 (Sir Jesus)

Not voting - 3 (Falzis, junkahoolik, Kaziocore)

Falzis - 1 (CanucksDynasty)
CanucksDynasty is old news now. He has been after Falzis for some time for reasons he has repeated. I think the vote is a good one if only for the reason that it doesn't conflict with any hard facts.

junkahoolik - 1 (crazyemolad)
Crazyemolad's rationale

has a lot of info on everyone, yea it might be logic but is there a thing as too much logic?

. Sounds like a joking RVSesk vote to me. I don't like it. It doesn't seem like there is a powerrole Junkahoolik could hold at this point that would grant him much extra knowledge.

crazyemolad - 1 (Aquinas)
This vote is down because Crazyemolad (replacement for theophilos) is the only one of us to not vote for either anti-town self aligned power roles. That meas to me that he wanted to keep them around. No one would want to keep them around more than the anti town summoner.

Sir Jesus - 1 (angel of doom)
I'm uneasy about this vote but, it makes sense. I don't disagree with Sir Jesus for not sharing his information. However, it seems like there are some unanswered questions here. I tried and tried to find a post written by Angel of Doom/Molestargazer (I think) about your voting record against our role claimed doctors. You said you voted for Angel of Doom (original) because you knew that at that time Molestargazer was the real doctor. However, a post Sir Jesus made after Angel of Dooms death contradicted this in some way. If anyone remembers authoring this post I urge you to assert this point again. I'll keep digging and try to surface it.

CanucksDynasty - 1 (Sir Jesus)
Seems like this vote is in based on CanucksDynasty's play style. That is a silly reason to vote, I think. I acknowledge that we haven't raised much suspicion about CanucksDynasty thus far in the game but, as he pointed out he hasn't been able to control things as much as it might seem.

As far as controlling the game...not really me. We had a KevinH lynch (that I removed my vote on), a EM lynch (that I voted cuz SJ strongly hinted), and AoD lynch (that I did not vote for). As you can see...I hardly had any influence on the people that got lynched. I am being vocal cuz that's the only thing I can do as a townie. I prod people cuz the town needs info.

So, I don't think a vote is warranted on him at this time. Especially if we are suspicious of him only because we haven't considered him thus far I am in deep do do because I'm haven't even almost been considered scum the entire game.

Who we aren't voting for:
Aquinas
I don't see any reasons to vote for me .

Kaziocore
As presented the idea of a pro town summoner relentlessly. I'm not really suspicious here either. I think he is vanilla townie like me because he doesn't seem to be attempting to influence it in any way. Instead he seems to be forwarding theory about structure as possible scum to fill roles that seem to be plausible in the game. Nothing on my scumdar going off here.

Angel of Doom/Molestargazer
This somewhat surprises me. People have tossed him into their theories about filling the anti-town summoner role yet no one has a current vote on him.

[angel of doom]

thats because mole claimed doc, and not out right like i did

[CanucksDynasty]

@Aquinas - nice analysis.

I'm also wary of crazyemolad ever since his votes on Falzis and junk. Not much reasoning behind either votes.

[CanucksDynasty]

Molestargazer! I had a hunch from the very start that there was something different about you......

Everyone, I caught molestargazer outside of my house last night. I was asleep, and dreaming that I was someone else. I was creeping through a front lawn and realized that the house I was approaching was very familiar: it was my house!

I immediately awoke to see molestargazer at my window. As soon as I saw him, he ran off into the darkness. I do not know what his intention is...

Mole, its time for you to do some roleclaiming. I know for a fact that you are not a vanilla townie.

@Aquinas - is this the post that you are asking about? It seems to me that SJ did not know mole (now AoD) was the doc.

[CanucksDynasty]

Though I know nothing of his true character, I grow a little suspicious of MSG.

Hmmm, I don't know what to say. I almost want the town to do a no-lynch this go around. There has not been a NK since EM has been silenced, so I don't see a reason to rush and lynch someone. I'm getting information every night, and I know that someone else is too. Why not get more information before lynching?

Of course, there is the risk that someone will get NKed. In that case, it would obviously be better to try and eliminate the scum the best we can with the information available.

@Aquinas - here are 2 posts before AoD got lynched.

[CanucksDynasty]

More SJ posts...

In none of these posts did SJ say he was suspicous of AoD. He never answered the question (asked by junk or Falzis) of why he decided to lynch the roleclaimed doc (his only protection at the time). He didn't even suspect mole (now AoD) was a doc prior to his vote. So why did he lynch AoD?? Is this a case of bussing (I think that's the term where mafia vote for their own members...as seen in last game by Martino vote on mafia partner EM).

Hmmm... It's looking tight here.

What is the argument against Falzis?

Vote: Angel of Doom until someone convinces me of Falzis' case.

Well then..... that clears things up. It also make me feel like a dumb/jackass. I should have known, I was carrying out the same type of "operation" against EM without coming out and saying my name. Damn breadcrumbs, so obvious when you drop them, yet so difficult to find someone else's.

By the way, thanks for the protection mole.

What is the case against Falzis?

I will not reveal what I know about night 2. I saw someone, and I felt what their intentions were. What their alignment in this whole mess, or what they were specifically doing that night, is unknown to me.

EBWOP

*I will not reveal everything I know about night 2*

Oh my god.... Here it goes again.

I'm a member of this town, just like the rest of you. I am pro-town, not self-aligned. I have no faction other than the town itself.

I sleep at night and have dreams. When I dream, I tune into a stressful event. The information available to me is completely random.

Seer

Hmm. This is false logic assuming a few things...

- There are 3 factions: Town, Summoner, "Mafia"
- The win-condition for summoner is be the remaining player (except its minions)
- If the "Mafia" has a NK, then eliminating the Summoner or their minions is beneficial to the town

Of course, the loss of the Golem is devastating to the Summoner...

Vote: Junkahoolik

I get a strange vibe from you. I have not had a dream or any other substantial evidence, but I believe that you controlled EM and AoD.

No, that is just one factor in the conglomeration that comprises my gut reaction that you are not on the town's side.

I said that I know that there is another power-role. I know who the person is. And that's it. I will not be releasing either of these details.


Aquinas: Good point.

I do not know the person's intentions, nor do I know their faction

I felt him killing. I knew he had slain someone that night, but didn't know until the morning with the rest of you.



I knew that molestargazer was at my house, but did not know his intentions or his faction.

And do not count out the possibility of 4 pro-town power rules....


@ Kazio: What is your take on the current situation.

[CanucksDynasty]

Showed no fear? What are you talking about? I've asked multiple times for the doctor to protect me, and since I've been the only pro-town, non-doc role to surface I figured anyone with half a brain would guard me.

As junk mentioned in his previous post...you voted for AoD who roleclaimed doc instead of Falzis on D3. You never mentioned that you thought he was lying. You never mentioned that you suspected someone else being the doc. On N3...you saw mole hanging around your place. On D4 you wanted an explanation from mole. Mole then roleclaimed doc.

[junkahoolik]

Well then..... that clears things up. It also make me feel like a dumb/jackass. I should have known, I was carrying out the same type of "operation" against EM without coming out and saying my name. Damn breadcrumbs, so obvious when you drop them, yet so difficult to find someone else's.

lol... huh?? previous game??

anyway, this is really making my head hurt... if he is indeed anti-town... the question is... why did he vote for the sk in his probable faction?? on d2 too... to be honest, even though i don't really have a good feeling about SJ, i'd rather vote for crazy now... at least until i can think about the situation a bit more...

@SJ, killing the doc then shouting "doc protect me" is kind'a... well... odd wouldn't you say?? granted, you didn't ask for protection last night but still...

[junkahoolik]

here's some more of my thoughts (i'm thinking about them now so excuse me if they are incoherent):

SJ can see the actions of other people. is there a way scum could benefit from these informations without breaking the game?? mole really was last night at SJ's and since SJ isn't dead it can't mean that he went there o kill him. he didn't roleblock either. i can't really think of what else he would have done there except protect from a NK. SJ, can you at least tell us what you saw during N2 without giving a name?? what did this person do?? i'm flat out of material to digest mentally...

[CanucksDynasty]

@junk - I don't think SJ is necessarily anti-town. He may be "self-aligned". Meaning that he probably just needs to survive to the end game in order to win.

Also...if mole was at SJ house to protect him...maybe we can assume that the mafia didn't perform a nk. Since SJ didn't describe mole as "healing/protecting" him from an attack.

[crazyemolad]

back and active again sorry for the delay

[Falzis]

The same suspicions befalling SJ about whether he got that mole was the real doc or not applies also to junk, which was the case I made for voting before unvoting. I'd vote for junk first than SJ if we base it on that. But I'm going to go with Aquinas on this one since he has a good hunch on things like the last game where he chose an alternative lynch that led to EM's death (not this game).

Vote: crazyemolad

[Aquinas]

As junk mentioned in his previous post...you voted for AoD who roleclaimed doc instead of Falzis on D3. You never mentioned that you thought he was lying. You never mentioned that you suspected someone else being the doc. On N3...you saw mole hanging around your place. On D4 you wanted an explanation from mole. Mole then roleclaimed doc.

Thanks for the research CanucksDynasty. That is exactly what I meant to get at.