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[Falzis]

Huh? So why tell it now... you could still be NKed if you're really townie.

[Martino]

@Martino - so you believe that SinKon and I are linked? I don't know where you've been on D1 and D2...but I rode SinKon pretty hard.

Where did I say you were linked? I said you both came up with the anti town suggestion of the cop roleclaiming no matter if he has any useful information. That makes both of you suspicious.

My reasoning for the cop to roleclaim is still valid. Today may be LYLO. This cryptic roundabout voting only serves to muddy the waters and cause confusion.

No, your reasoning still suffers from the same flaw. The cop may not have any useful information or the information that the cop has may not change our lynchtarget. In both situations the cop would do much better to lay low and get another investigation in.

I mean how many pages are we at now (pg 58) and are only on D3???

The first 40 or so pages was a discussion about the set up and the odds. Yes, that did start to get a bit old near the end. But if anything, there has been too little discussion the last two days, not too much. Just look at how fast SJ got lynched and where that got us.

I still think either you or EM is scum...so ...

Vote: Martino

I can hardly defend myself against the claim that I am a veteran player who is still alive. But if you look at the set up, there are plenty of veteran players still alive. So I'm not sure why that makes me more suspicious than the others. What is worse, however, is that you decided to vote even though most people seemed to agree that we need to be careful today. If it is indeed lylo and if you are not scum, we are but one townie vote away from a loss.

BTW...I picked up an item on D1. So I don't think getting items are based on percentages.

I mean I got the item on N1.
It's a passive item...meaning it will work if conditions are met.
In order for it to work...mafia had to target me since I'm just a vanilla townie.
So I kept it quiet hoping for them to night kill me.
That didn't happen.

Yeah right. Merely hinting at the fact that you picked up an item would have probably been enough for the mafia to target you. Instead you kept it quiet all this time and now when you finally tell us you have an item you immediately tell us that it works in our benefit if the mafia targets you. Which ensures that the mafia will not target you and thus completely negates the positive effect your item could have had. Additionally, it gives you an explanation why you will not be night killed. Which is quite convenient considering that you have started to target all veteran players, which you certainly are yourself.

[CanucksDynasty]

Well...it's been 3 nights already.
Who else has gotten an item??

Anybody else got a "passive" item?

The fact is...I did get an item.
Believe me or don't believe me.

[CanucksDynasty]

Huh? So why tell it now... you could still be NKed if you're really townie.

IF I get nk'd...then that works for me.
Target me and not the cop....works for me.
Lynch me...if you think I'm lying...works for me.

I'm just a vanilla townie...so I don't really care anymore.

[CanucksDynasty]

Where did I say you were linked? I said you both came up with the anti town suggestion of the cop roleclaiming no matter if he has any useful information. That makes both of you suspicious.

It's possible that it's LYLO...we need all the information we can get.

No, your reasoning still suffers from the same flaw. The cop may not have any useful information or the information that the cop has may not change our lynchtarget. In both situations the cop would do much better to lay low and get another investigation in.

IF we get the wrong lynch anyways...it's game over...so how the hell would he another investigation in? Instead of wasting our time of 8 possible suspects...I'm wanting it to be reduced down to a possbile of 6 suspects. We then would have a 50/50 chance getting scum.

The first 40 or so pages was a discussion about the set up and the odds. Yes, that did start to get a bit old near the end. But if anything, there has been too little discussion the last two days, not too much. Just look at how fast SJ got lynched and where that got us.

Fine...then discuss. I haven't seen anybody say anything interesting the last few days.

I can hardly defend myself against the claim that I am a veteran player who is still alive. But if you look at the set up, there are plenty of veteran players still alive. So I'm not sure why that makes me more suspicious than the others. What is worse, however, is that you decided to vote even though most people seemed to agree that we need to be careful today. If it is indeed lylo and if you are not scum, we are but one townie vote away from a loss.

Yeah I voted...that doesn't mean someone else would for you right away...now does it.

Yeah right. Merely hinting at the fact that you picked up an item would have probably been enough for the mafia to target you. Instead you kept it quiet all this time and now when you finally tell us you have an item you immediately tell us that it works in our benefit if the mafia targets you. Which ensures that the mafia will not target you and thus completely negates the positive effect your item could have had. Additionally, it gives you an explanation why you will not be night killed. Which is quite convenient considering that you have started to target all veteran players, which you certainly are yourself.

IF it's LYLO...it's time to lay all the cards on the table to give the town all the info they can get.

SERIOUSLY...I can be considered a veteran in this game. Wouldn't it have been easier for me to lay low and not cause all this @#$ and draw suspicion on myself? I could have easily said...yeah SFOS SinKon...so let's lynch him.

IF you truly think I am scum, then you must also assume SinKon is scum...cuz that is the only way things would make sense.

[Electric Mango]

Canucks Dynasty you made three fatal flaws in my mind, all of which Martino discovered.

1. Your asking, and then defending of the cop to role claim does not ring true. You argue that it reduces the odds to 50/50, which is not true, and even if it was, it doesn't help us. Let's say that we decide to lynch someone the cop has not investigated. Would it really matter if the cop had role claimed? We would still have a valid lynch candidate. The cop should only role claim if the town was set to lynch someone he knew was innocent or if he has found a scum.

Also, it is unlikely to bring us 50/50 odds. It is probable that the cop has already investigated someone who has been lynched or night killed. I'd say the odds would only be reduced 30-35%. Martino said that it also leaves the cop to be set up to be role blocked, so why role claim unless absolutely necessary.

I can forgive Sinkon because he is new, but for a veteran like CD, it's unforgivable.

2. You voted for someone. It only takes one foolish townie to vote for Martino and then the scum win the game. I cannot forgive you for that either. You should know better.

3. As Martino said, you had no reason to role claim that you found an item. That information does not help the town one bit and only serves to make you look guilty. If what you said was true, than you just missed your chance to be a hero to the town. Why would someone who found an item that works against scum on night actions role claim that only to tell us that finding items is not percentage based.

Great job to Martino for pointing all of this out. This is the most damning evidence that I have seen in this game. 1, 2, 3 strikes your out CD.


What does everyone else think?

[Falzis]

Well, I want to hear more from SinKon and Narsis but I do agree that CD is acting scummy, he could still be a townie who is impatient and getting hasty (since he has said he is tired of this game that has lasted for months).

[Aquinas]

I think Martino and Electric Mango have issued some excellent points. I won't go down line by line because I would just end up restating most of it. Electric Mango, its good to see you back in action. I missed your nice long on point posts. It seems to me that Cannucks Dynasty is scum for flaw I have seen in many accused scum/non town roles. I noticed it multiple times in the past few games. It seems that when scum start getting accused they start getting really agitated. The demeanor in Cannucks Dynasty's posts is more often than not a cool calm and collected deduction. That demeanor 180ed as soon as the heat started dropping. I grant you all this however, I would not cast a vote on him just yet. I think he is more frustrated than anything. It seems to me that he is just tired and I will allow him the benefit of the doubt for the time being. For now, I am needed at work but, I am going to investigate both Martino and Electric Mango's post after that. I am surprised that they both start speaking out at the same time after being relatively dormant until now.

Anyway, that is what I am thinking and where I am heading next. I don't want to go to work...ugh.

[Narsis]

Martino and EM make some good points. i'm interested to see CDs response...

[Electric Mango]

I am surprised that they both start speaking out at the same time after being relatively dormant until now.

I can't speak for Martino, but I promised I would post more when I had time. The weekend came and I was able to sit down and concentrate for more than 5 minutes. CD's last couple of posts just jumped out at me as well, making it a lot easier to find evidence without having to sift through all the pages of text.

This to me is the best evidence we've seen the entire game. I'd like to see how CD responds, although I have a feeling I already know what he's going to say.

[Electric Mango]

There are 9 of us left (assuming 6 townies and 3 mafia).
We have 8 rooms available to us.
It's obvious that sticking together no longer has the previous benefits.
And since it seems that there are no movement restrictions.
I suggest we spread out with one room having 2 occupants.

BTW...I picked up an item on D1. So I don't think getting items are based on percentages.

After the rule removal, we decided it would be best to spread out to find items. CD says he
received an item Day1 and doesn't believe they are found by percentages. Knowing this, why
would he think a spread strategy would be best?


Perhaps there are items that can protect or pick up on power roles in a room. By spreading us
out, the scum could pick us off 1 at a time w/out fear of being detected. I suggest we all sleep
together tonight unless someone else has a better idea.

[Falzis]

CD when did you really get an item? D1? N1? D3/4?

[CanucksDynasty]

CD when did you really get an item? D1? N1? D3/4?

I got the item on N1 (during the room assignments).

[CanucksDynasty]

Canucks Dynasty you made three fatal flaws in my mind, all of which Martino discovered.

1. Your asking, and then defending of the cop to role claim does not ring true. You argue that it reduces the odds to 50/50, which is not true, and even if it was, it doesn't help us. Let's say that we decide to lynch someone the cop has not investigated. Would it really matter if the cop had role claimed? We would still have a valid lynch candidate. The cop should only role claim if the town was set to lynch someone he knew was innocent or if he has found a scum.

Think of it this way...I believe it's LYLO. IF I WAS REALLY MAFIA...shouldn't I have kept my mouth shut and let the heat be placed on SinKon? IF NARSIS is the cop...what does it matter anyway since he's being roleblocked??? IF someone else is the cop...we would have the game in our hands right now.

Also, it is unlikely to bring us 50/50 odds. It is probable that the cop has already investigated someone who has been lynched or night killed. I'd say the odds would only be reduced 30-35%. Martino said that it also leaves the cop to be set up to be role blocked, so why role claim unless absolutely necessary.

Only if the one's investigated were KevinH and Kaziocore. Which means it has to be Narsis or EM (you) are the cop. but I doubt you are the cop. If the cop allowed a townie to get lynched...then that's a pretty stupid cop.

I can forgive Sinkon because he is new, but for a veteran like CD, it's unforgivable.

2. You voted for someone. It only takes one foolish townie to vote for Martino and then the scum win the game. I cannot forgive you for that either. You should know better.

It's one vote on someone I think is mafia. You're on that list too BTW.

3. As Martino said, you had no reason to role claim that you found an item. That information does not help the town one bit and only serves to make you look guilty. If what you said was true, than you just missed your chance to be a hero to the town. Why would someone who found an item that works against scum on night actions role claim that only to tell us that finding items is not percentage based.

I'm doing what every townie should do. Provide as much info as possible to help other townies to decide what's best course of action to take. How can I be the hero of the town...IF we mis-lynch and it's game over?????

Great job to Martino for pointing all of this out. This is the most damning evidence that I have seen in this game. 1, 2, 3 strikes your out CD.

What does everyone else think?

I'm betting that you and Martino are mafia. Both of you have laid pretty low and haven't said much during all of 50+ pages.
AND I must be a newbie mafia to have wrapped everything in a nice bow for you to lynch me (...sarcasm)

[CanucksDynasty]

I think Martino and Electric Mango have issued some excellent points. I won't go down line by line because I would just end up restating most of it. Electric Mango, its good to see you back in action. I missed your nice long on point posts. It seems to me that Cannucks Dynasty is scum for flaw I have seen in many accused scum/non town roles. I noticed it multiple times in the past few games. It seems that when scum start getting accused they start getting really agitated. The demeanor in Cannucks Dynasty's posts is more often than not a cool calm and collected deduction. That demeanor 180ed as soon as the heat started dropping. I grant you all this however, I would not cast a vote on him just yet. I think he is more frustrated than anything. It seems to me that he is just tired and I will allow him the benefit of the doubt for the time being. For now, I am needed at work but, I am going to investigate both Martino and Electric Mango's post after that. I am surprised that they both start speaking out at the same time after being relatively dormant until now.

Anyway, that is what I am thinking and where I am heading next. I don't want to go to work...ugh.

That's exactly the reason. This game has lasted 3 months!!!! 3 months!!!
IF I was mafia...Why o why would say something remotely suspicious when the game is one mis-lynch away???

yeah..yeah.. WIFOM...I don't care anymore.

[CanucksDynasty]

After the rule removal, we decided it would be best to spread out to find items. CD says he
received an item Day1 and doesn't believe they are found by percentages. Knowing this, why
would he think a spread strategy would be best?


Perhaps there are items that can protect or pick up on power roles in a room. By spreading us
out, the scum could pick us off 1 at a time w/out fear of being detected. I suggest we all sleep
together tonight unless someone else has a better idea.

Duh...I suggested the spread strategy cuz that's the only I can be sure of mafia (via the item) if they targeted me.
Unfortunately...they didn't and for some reason chose Kaziocore.

[CanucksDynasty]

Room 2 = Sir Jesus, Firkked/Samus
Room 3 = Electric Mango, AoD/SinKon, Kaziocore
Room 6 = CanucksDynasty, Aquinas, Martino
Room 9 = Falzis, Narsis, KevinH


Aquinas and Martino are not the cop cuz I'm a vanilla townie (and they would have had all the time to investigate their roommates).
EM and SinKon are not the cop since SinKon wants the cop to roleclaim and EM wasn't really vocal on protecting SinKon from a D3 lynch.
Samus is not the cop since he did nothing to prevent SJ from being lynched.
Falzis is not the cop since he is still wary of Narsis and would have ample time to have investigated him by now.

So really...Narsis must be the cop (provided we actually had a cop role in the first place) especially since he's been roleblocked.

[CanucksDynasty]

IF Narsis is not the cop...then it's quite possible that townies have no power roles and the items picked up are to make up for that fact.

[Narsis]

IF Narsis is not the cop...then it's quite possible that townies have no power roles and the items picked up are to make up for that fact.

and assuming that is the case it would be best if we knew what all these items were correct?

[CanucksDynasty]

and assuming that is the case it would be best if we knew what all these items were correct?

True...but I hardly believe that I was the only one to pick up an item.