Now that I'm home, I'll actually post. Had to send Mandarijn a picture over Kik of me at work since now reading what happened on night on the forums via your phone at work and not posting is evidence against someone.
Needless to say, I'm not going to continue with the same crap from the last day. I've said what I've had to say, I'm not going to continue to argue over the same argument people still want to continue with already about me. The sole reason people wont believe I'm a VT is because they believe it's a mass role game, and there can't be any VT's. To this, even if the majority of people have roles, no where does it state there can't be a VT, or multiple. This is only my second game, so I've only gotten my feet wet so far suffice to say, so I don't know what's normal, but I think it would be odd IMO if with 19 people, say 4-5 are scum (seems to be the guess), that there would be 14-15 town all with roles, and then only 3 or 4 scum with roles. To me, having 14-15 town with roles and only 3-4 mafia with roles seems a little unbalanced to me. But at this point, I'm done arguing the point. There's nothing I can say that is going to change the minds of people like ABT/Mand and now Canik, nor would any new evidence someone could present change, as they'd just say it doesn't prove anything or can't be 100% sure. It's based off suggesting they know how the game was setup and what the Mod chose, and they are clueless as anyone here what that is no matter how many times they want to act like they do.
But needless to say, I at least do not have to respond to them anymore, because I know what they're going to say as they have said it multiple times already and I'm done arguing them when their mind is set, and done arguing they don't have a clue what roles were used, nor the fact there very well is a VT. They argue that people aren't trying to witchhunt, but in all reality, they don't care what others say or who they vote for, it's quite obvious...either you vote for who they say, or you're a target or your choice is dumb and they're going to continue to berate you to change it. They believe their opinion is the only one that matters, so don't think for yourself, just go with them.
So my opinion is likely falling on some deaf ears, which is fine, but I'll say my thoughts nonetheless. In regards to the D3mon lynch, it sucks to lose another townie, that's for sure. But if you think I'm going to sit here and be overly upset I'm not. D3mon didn't provide anything to this game, he didn't post, he didn't vote, and he was of no use to town getting out scum. He had a very important role as JOAT, and though without knowing what all roles he had, he probably had many that would of been real useful. Yet he sat inactive, not voting, not using his roles or presenting anything, even after TW pinged him and he read the message. Took a chance in voting to see if he was scum, he wasn't, and were out a townie who wasn't of use. I do enjoy when people claim to vote off someone like me because we'll find out information nonetheless, as long as it's not them. Hell we could vote of ABT and see if he was scum trying to bandwagon a lynch and learn something, we could vote off Mand and see if his role cop was that of town or scum, we could vote off Finister and see if he's scum to see if Canik maybe his scum buddy, could vote off Lyner to see if he was scum trying to push a lynch on Canik....could be said for a lot of people, and all would give us a possible "glimpse." I also like that ABT said it was already known D3mon had a role.....which I find funny because I I'd love to know how it was so known besides it seeming like many had roles, or how it was known D3mon wasn't a scum either. I mean, the way people are playing, it seems like Scum shouldn't post, because they get a pass in some eyes.
So here's what I'm looking at, at this point.
Canik - I've had suspicion of Canik ever since he took over for Shah. He came and saw his back was against the wall and likely the lynch, and he was able to do a complete 180 from Shah after he saw Shah's approach was putting him on the hot seat. Luckily for him, people have seemingly given him the benefit of the doubt, and I think he's fooling you'll. The nice thing he got, was the ability to change from Shah and people saying, well it's 2 different people, so maybe they just play different. Anyone else who has started suspicion their way are not able to do this, they can't do a 180 from what they just said or just acted like and somehow are forgotten about or suspicion taken off them, in fact they would likely be dead for trying to do it. To go along with that, Shah/Canik have been on the hot seat a few times this game with 3+ votes, yet was never lynched. If scum wanted an easy kill, they could of easily bandwagonned on Canik/Shah with a few votes and got him lynched. It wouldn't of taken much, hell a lot of people have posted suspicion of him, so it wouldn't of been hard to make a claim for looking to lynch him, but every time he was let off. An easy target 2 or so times to get lynched, and was never jumped on...maybe because he is scum. Say's he has been actively witch hunting. If you call for most of the time trying to lynch Lyner, and when that wasn't going his way, jumping ship to me when his life was in danger and I was the likely best chance he had of surviving. I'm not faulting him for this, I did the same with D3mon...but I don't see much scum hunting from him like he wants to claim.
ABT - I've been suspicious of ABT for awhile now. His playing style, seemingly pushy way and looking to push lynches. Him and Imran seemed to feed off one another and repeat the same things....now with Imran being killed and found to be town, I give a little lee way his way but I'm still suspicious. Very well could be just feeding off Imran and bandwagonning on whatever he voted. Had tendency to repeat the same arguments as Imran, Imran tried to push people off other votes, and a few posts later, ABT does the exact same thing and trying to push from one person to the next.
People who voted D3mon - There's this option too. The likes of people voting D3mon could be a sign of some possible Scum. The likes of Roq, Kevin, Rafay, Yehom, Lyner (I'm including because he originally went that way and then jumped off suddenly to follow ABT when there was enough to lynch D3mon, could be looking to distance himself) and myself. I've already said my reasoning for voting D3mon, because of him being of no help even after being pinged, and at the time it came down to him or me. Even without a role, I think at least a townie who posts some is better then someone who isn't at all. Not sold this is the main point of focus though.