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[TW-01] Cybernations Mafia - Town Win!

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At this point, I am thinking d3mon is probably just an inactive town. Lyner/Rhizo/iSoc are scum team


I hope the town is ready to unite with me. I keep defending townies, NOT voting for them, easily one of the most active in scum hunting. CoD who saw things as I did and worked with me yesterday has been proven town. Lyner called him scum, and was wrong. I called him probably town, and was right. I was right about Kaz, d3mon. Please, if you are town, support me today. Make sure Rhizo is lynched at the end of the day (barring some irrefutable evidence proving his innocence).

Lyner/iSocialism. I would welcome your votes & support against Rhizo too. It's not written in stone that you'll be next. Though if you don't support us, it's extremely likely you will be.
 

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The Miller got nothin'.

Base on what we knew at the time, it was correct to lynch D3mon.

Post count for the entire game:

63 Chaplain of death
61 Ali bin Turban
54 The Warrior
52 Imran Ehsan
51 KevinH
43 Lyner
37 Mandarijn
36 Rhizoctonia
36 Finster Baby
31 Canik
21 iSocialism
20 Robert2424
18 Shahenshah
18 Samus
16 Sister Midnight
15 Rafay
13 King Hitler
8 TheDoom
8 Antoine Roquentin
8 Yehom
5 Kaziocore
5 Avater
2 d3mon
 

Avater is next on my list.

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Avater is next on my list.


The definition of insanity. To try the same thing and expect different results.

I am suspicious of Avater still but we could lynch him later. How about we go with my theories for a change?

Vote Rhizo

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Yeah, I fess up and say I made a bad judgement on these. I'm not going to go with what seems safe(lynching inactives). It's my first game where I actually played so this was a mistake, but like Kevin said, we didn't have much to go on. Sorry to Imran since he was trying very hard. Should have prevented him getting sniped by scum.



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Yehom probably has conditional abilities like even/odd

 

 

Also no one has definite infos yet?

 

 

 

 

http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/56759-tw-01-cybernations-mafia-day-4/?p=855002
 

 

At this point, I am thinking d3mon is probably just an inactive town. Lyner/Rhizo/iSoc are scum team


I hope the town is ready to unite with me. I keep defending townies, NOT voting for them, easily one of the most active in scum hunting. CoD who saw things as I did and worked with me yesterday has been proven town. Lyner called him scum, and was wrong. I called him probably town, and was right. I was right about Kaz, d3mon. Please, if you are town, support me today. Make sure Rhizo is lynched at the end of the day (barring some irrefutable evidence proving his innocence).

Lyner/iSocialism. I would welcome your votes & support against Rhizo too. It's not written in stone that you'll be next. Though if you don't support us, it's extremely likely you will be.
 

 

 

Scummy in every sentences. Scums know which ones are townies and which are not.

 

 

 

 

I think the most important thing to discuss right now is why scums chose Imran and CoD



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Now that I'm home, I'll actually post.  Had to send Mandarijn a picture over Kik of me at work since now reading what happened on night on the forums via your phone at work and not posting is evidence against someone.  

 

Needless to say, I'm not going to continue with the same crap from the last day.  I've said what I've had to say, I'm not going to continue to argue over the same argument people still want to continue with already about me.  The sole reason people wont believe I'm a VT is because they believe it's a mass role game, and there can't be any VT's.  To this, even if the majority of people have roles, no where does it state there can't be a VT, or multiple.  This is only my second game, so I've only gotten my feet wet so far suffice to say, so I don't know what's normal, but I think it would be odd IMO if with 19 people, say 4-5 are scum (seems to be the guess), that there would be 14-15 town all with roles, and then only 3 or 4 scum with roles.  To me, having 14-15 town with roles and only 3-4 mafia with roles seems a little unbalanced to me.  But at this point, I'm done arguing the point.  There's nothing I can say that is going to change the minds of people like ABT/Mand and now Canik, nor would any new evidence someone could present change, as they'd just say it doesn't prove anything or can't be 100% sure.  It's based off suggesting they know how the game was setup and what the Mod chose, and they are clueless as anyone here what that is no matter how many times they want to act like they do.  

But needless to say, I at least do not have to respond to them anymore, because I know what they're going to say as they have said it multiple times already and I'm done arguing them when their mind is set, and done arguing they don't have a clue what roles were used, nor the fact there very well is a VT.  They argue that people aren't trying to witchhunt, but in all reality, they don't care what others say or who they vote for, it's quite obvious...either you vote for who they say, or you're a target or your choice is dumb and they're going to continue to berate you to change it.  They believe their opinion is the only one that matters, so don't think for yourself, just go with them.

So my opinion is likely falling on some deaf ears, which is fine, but I'll say my thoughts nonetheless.  In regards to the D3mon lynch, it sucks to lose another townie, that's for sure.  But if you think I'm going to sit here and be overly upset I'm not.  D3mon didn't provide anything to this game, he didn't post, he didn't vote, and he was of no use to town getting out scum.  He had a very important role as JOAT, and though without knowing what all roles he had, he probably had many that would of been real useful.  Yet he sat inactive, not voting, not using his roles or presenting anything, even after TW pinged him and he read the message.  Took a chance in voting to see if he was scum, he wasn't, and were out a townie who wasn't of use.  I do enjoy when people claim to vote off someone like me because we'll find out information nonetheless, as long as it's not them.  Hell we could vote of ABT and see if he was scum trying to bandwagon a lynch and learn something, we could vote off Mand and see if his role cop was that of town or scum, we could vote off Finister and see if he's scum to see if Canik maybe his scum buddy, could vote off Lyner to see if he was scum trying to push a lynch on Canik....could be said for a lot of people, and all would give us a possible "glimpse."  I also like that ABT said it was already known D3mon had a role.....which I find funny because I I'd love to know how it was so known besides it seeming like many had roles, or how it was known D3mon wasn't a scum either.  I mean, the way people are playing, it seems like Scum shouldn't post, because they get a pass in some eyes.  

So here's what I'm looking at, at this point.

Canik - I've had suspicion of Canik ever since he took over for Shah.  He came and saw his back was against the wall and likely the lynch, and he was able to do a complete 180 from Shah after he saw Shah's approach was putting him on the hot seat.  Luckily for him, people have seemingly given him the benefit of the doubt, and I think he's fooling you'll.  The nice thing he got, was the ability to change from Shah and people saying, well it's 2 different people, so maybe they just play different.  Anyone else who has started suspicion their way are not able to do this, they can't do a 180 from what they just said or just acted like and somehow are forgotten about or suspicion taken off them, in fact they would likely be dead for trying to do it.  To go along with that, Shah/Canik have been on the hot seat a few times this game with 3+ votes, yet was never lynched.  If scum wanted an easy kill, they could of easily bandwagonned on Canik/Shah with a few votes and got him lynched.  It wouldn't of taken much, hell a lot of people have posted suspicion of him, so it wouldn't of been hard to make a claim for looking to lynch him, but every time he was let off.  An easy target 2 or so times to get lynched, and was never jumped on...maybe because he is scum.  Say's he has been actively witch hunting.  If you call for most of the time trying to lynch Lyner, and when that wasn't going his way, jumping ship to me when his life was in danger and I was the likely best chance he had of surviving.  I'm not faulting him for this, I did the same with D3mon...but I don't see much scum hunting from him like he wants to claim.

ABT - I've been suspicious of ABT for awhile now.  His playing style, seemingly pushy way and looking to push lynches.  Him and Imran seemed to feed off one another and repeat the same things....now with Imran being killed and found to be town, I give a little lee way his way but I'm still suspicious.  Very well could be just feeding off Imran and bandwagonning on whatever he voted.  Had tendency to repeat the same arguments as Imran, Imran tried to push people off other votes, and a few posts later, ABT does the exact same thing and trying to push from one person to the next.  

 

People who voted D3mon - There's this option too.  The likes of people voting D3mon could be a sign of some possible Scum.  The likes of Roq, Kevin, Rafay, Yehom, Lyner (I'm including because he originally went that way and then jumped off suddenly to follow ABT when there was enough to lynch D3mon, could be looking to distance himself) and myself.  I've already said my reasoning for voting D3mon, because of him being of no help even after being pinged, and at the time it came down to him or me.  Even without a role, I think at least a townie who posts some is better then someone who isn't at all.  Not sold this is the main point of focus though.


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You can't stop lying can you Rhizo?

I've never said It was "already known", I've said it was obvious he had one - we know around 10 people now, only one has no role. Was it really surprising to anyone d3mon turned out to have role? Or was it really surprising he turned out townie when there was 70% chance for that outcome?

 

Repeating that you're VT is beating a dead horse. It has been discussed and nothing more will come of it. Technically it's possible and no one denies it. Only problem is the same arguments can be used to "prove" you're VG. And your scummy behavior only enforces that point.

Again you've nothing to add, just running around in circles, posting wall of text in which you blame people who voted on you. Of course no one else is looking suspicious in your eyes.

 

Also I believe true townie would try to clear himself and not to postpone his life just for one more round by voting on inactives. We're back to day 3, nothing has hanged, except there are 2 people less that were going to vote on you.

 

Yehom probably has conditional abilities like even/odd

 

 

Also no one has definite infos yet?


I think the most important thing to discuss right now is why scums chose Imran and CoD

My reasoning as to why Imran and CoD were killed is that reasonable scum will not:

- kill inactives

- kill guys that are on a bandwagon that has just lynched townie

 

That leaves just a handful of us to choose from. I'll leave the universal fact "if you were not targeted then you can be scum" aside because it applies to everyone so it's useless on its own.

- Canik, Finster are lynch-worthy to some, so they're low priority

- Lyner, you're kind of similar

- iSoc hasn't been helping town much so why kill him, he'll be suspicious.

 

That leaves me, Imran, CoD, Mandarjin:

- here I think it was random choice, as for instance both me and Imran had the same targets.

- Maybe Mandarjin was less aggressive and therefore less dangerous when "ringleaders" are elminated?

- Maybe I live because they've checked me and decided my role is not threatening?

 

Second kill this night points to the possibility that scums have JOAT role among them, so they could have investigated some of us. That was something Rhizo used as an argument when accusing Mandarjin (which can be viewed both ways).

While it's technically possible that Mandarjin is a scum JOAT along with his scum friend KevihH (or he's trolling the game) I find it so much risky and prone to backfire that it's not worthy to consider - simply because if they are and noone is able to verify them then town sucks and deserves to loose.



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The Miller got nothin'.

Base on what we knew at the time, it was correct to lynch D3mon.

Post count for the entire game:

63 Chaplain of death
61 Ali bin Turban
54 The Warrior
52 Imran Ehsan
51 KevinH
43 Lyner
37 Mandarijn
36 Rhizoctonia
36 Finster Baby
31 Canik
21 iSocialism
20 Robert2424
18 Shahenshah
18 Samus
16 Sister Midnight
15 Rafay
13 King Hitler
8 TheDoom
8 Antoine Roquentin
8 Yehom
5 Kaziocore
5 Avater
2 d3mon
 

Avater is next on my list.

Vote: Avater

Are you serious? :o

 

Is there a chance scum can be a Miller as well? Because you're really not playing pro-town... What will the lynch of Avater bring us of information to scum hunt? 0,0... He might very well be scum, but we have bigger potential scums we should get rid of 1st.

 

@TW: is the player you're looking to replace Avater?


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Hmm. Kev I think we should ease up a bit on lynching inactives for now. What do you think? Unless you wanna pick us off one by one. Next would be Kaz.

 

OOOO its a mafia hit list!!!


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Is there a chance scum can be a Miller as well?


I'm curious about this too. If it weren't for your vouching of his role, I'd be very suspicious of KevinH.

32 pages of talk, a vanilla hit, and he still wants to just lynch inactives with fingers crossed.

We are down to 8 town, 5 assumed scum. Apparently 2 kills a night is a possibility, so that means 1 more mislynch and we could be done.

True towns, again I implore you - change strategies, join with me today in voting Rhizo.

CoD & Imran agreed with me, and they were both PROVEN town. Lyner & Rhizo on the other hand, accused them of being scum, fought against them, and supported lynches on townies.

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Rhizoctonia (2): Mandarijn, Canik

Yehom (1): Ali bin Turban

Ali bin Turban (0):

Avater (0):

Canik (0):

Finster Baby (0):

iSocialism (0):

KevinH (0):

Lyner (0):

Mandarijn (0):

Rafay (0):
Robert2424 (0):

Roquentin (0):


No Lynch (0):

Not voting: Avater, Finster Baby, iSocialism, KevinH, Lyner, Rafay, Rhizoctonia, Robert2424, Roquentin, Yehom


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Update (deadline) is Monday, May 23rd, at 9:00am CN Server Time.


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There will come a time when we need all the votes we can muster and Avater won't answer the call.
Nevertheless, it seems I won't get support for that.

Unvote.


Both Chaplain of Death and Imran Ehsan were voting for Rhizoctonia and maybe they knew something more.  I'll let them speak from the grave.

 

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True, but at this point we don't need his vote and we should try to lower the amount of scums 1st...


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Ok, here's my 50 cents.

Day/night 3 was a disaster. We lost 3 members, all of which had power roles, and 2 of which were active, analytical members. Not good.

While I'm not at all the best analytical mind, here's what I've come up with.

1. Canik acts scummy to me. I still defend my vote from day 3. At that time, to me anyway, based on his posting style, his constant exhortations that he's town make me really consider my day 4 vote for him. Shah started that trend, and he's continued it. There's just too much that he's said that makes me pause about his true loyalties.

2. Yehom. Yeah he's a newcomer, but he was the deciding vote against d3mon. He also claimes he attempted a night move but botched it. His defense hasn't been exactly stellar, but at this point I'm only at the point of careful watching.

3. Rhizo. You, sir, were on the d3mon bandwagon. You also have offered up no real defense of your actions. You claim to be VT. Mandarijn's info on you says you're vanilla. Considering everyone who has been rolled has had some sort of power role, one can come to the conclusion that EVERY person in the town has a power role, making your claims to be VT rather suspect. Now lets look at the night kills real quick. Imran and Chaplain both got rolled. Both voted for you to be lynched during the day. You argued rather forcefully that Imran was absolutely scum. We all now know that was a lie. You also pushed for d3mon to be lynched, and succeeded, and now we lost our JOAT, who even if d3mon was inactive, could have been replaced (and maybe was in progress of being replaced.)

ABT stated on day 3 that rolling Rhizo was the low-risk/high reward option for day 3. We didn't take it then. I think we'd be wise to more than consider it today.

Summing up...
1. Rhizo's lack of power role...
2. Rhizo's clear attempts at misdirection in his accusations of Imran and vote for d3mon on day 3
3. Rhizo's lack of real defense for his actions

Leads me to make this declaration:

VOTE: Rhizoctonia

I still have a lot of suspicion about Canik. But for today, Rhizo is the better choice.
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Rhizoctonia (4): Mandarijn, Canik, KevinH, Finster Baby

Yehom (1): Ali bin Turban

Ali bin Turban (0):

Avater (0):

Canik (0):

Finster Baby (0):

iSocialism (0):

KevinH (0):

Lyner (0):

Mandarijn (0):

Rafay (0):
Robert2424 (0):

Roquentin (0):


No Lynch (0):

Not voting: Avater, iSocialism, Lyner, Rafay, Rhizoctonia, Robert2424, Roquentin, Yehom

 

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Is there a chance scum can be a Miller as well?


I'm curious about this too. If it weren't for your vouching of his role, I'd be very suspicious of KevinH.

32 pages of talk, a vanilla hit, and he still wants to just lynch inactives with fingers crossed.

We are down to 8 town, 5 assumed scum. Apparently 2 kills a night is a possibility, so that means 1 more mislynch and we could be done.

True towns, again I implore you - change strategies, join with me today in voting Rhizo.

CoD & Imran agreed with me, and they were both PROVEN town. Lyner & Rhizo on the other hand, accused them of being scum, fought against them, and supported lynches on townies.

 

Unfortunately if Mandarjin got 'Miller' reading then KevinH is a townie. I believe there's no role in this setup that could fake other roles. I've checked Mafia Traitor too and he couldn't hide also. So yeah, it seems that KevinH believes one can win mafia game by simply voting on those with least votes :P. To bad we'll lose because of that.

 

Canik, if you're town, please stay closer to the truth. I remember Lyner accusing CoD, but I don't remember him accusing Imran (if such event occurred my bad, though I'd like to see citation). We know there's friction between you and Lyner and being, let's say, "inaccurate" is only drawing suspicion about your motives. That "join with me today in voting Rhizo" also sounds a bit dramatic and I wouldn't like it to be a stepping stone for some further narration if/when Rhizo turns a scum. Just saying.



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You can't stop lying can you Rhizo?

I've never said It was "already known", I've said it was obvious he had one - we know around 10 people now, only one has no role. Was it really surprising to anyone d3mon turned out to have role? Or was it really surprising he turned out townie when there was 70% chance for that outcome?

 

Repeating that you're VT is beating a dead horse. It has been discussed and nothing more will come of it. Technically it's possible and no one denies it. Only problem is the same arguments can be used to "prove" you're VG. And your scummy behavior only enforces that point.

Again you've nothing to add, just running around in circles, posting wall of text in which you blame people who voted on you. Of course no one else is looking suspicious in your eyes.

 

Also I believe true townie would try to clear himself and not to postpone his life just for one more round by voting on inactives. We're back to day 3, nothing has hanged, except there are 2 people less that were going to vote on you.

 

Yehom probably has conditional abilities like even/odd

 

 

Also no one has definite infos yet?


I think the most important thing to discuss right now is why scums chose Imran and CoD

My reasoning as to why Imran and CoD were killed is that reasonable scum will not:

- kill inactives

- kill guys that are on a bandwagon that has just lynched townie

 

That leaves just a handful of us to choose from. I'll leave the universal fact "if you were not targeted then you can be scum" aside because it applies to everyone so it's useless on its own.

- Canik, Finster are lynch-worthy to some, so they're low priority

- Lyner, you're kind of similar

- iSoc hasn't been helping town much so why kill him, he'll be suspicious.

 

That leaves me, Imran, CoD, Mandarjin:

- here I think it was random choice, as for instance both me and Imran had the same targets.

- Maybe Mandarjin was less aggressive and therefore less dangerous when "ringleaders" are elminated?

- Maybe I live because they've checked me and decided my role is not threatening?

 

Second kill this night points to the possibility that scums have JOAT role among them, so they could have investigated some of us. That was something Rhizo used as an argument when accusing Mandarjin (which can be viewed both ways).

While it's technically possible that Mandarjin is a scum JOAT along with his scum friend KevihH (or he's trolling the game) I find it so much risky and prone to backfire that it's not worthy to consider - simply because if they are and noone is able to verify them then town sucks and deserves to loose.

 

 

Ok wrong words..does it really matter if I said already known, or in the case of your words, it's obvious.  If you're saying it's obvious he had one, then you're saying it was basically known he had one.  Which you had 0 knowledge of.  But again, you're so sure of what roles are out there, because you're the mod.  And I already knew what I had to say would just be dismissed by you, that was already a given.  It doesn't matter that you two have been ones I've suspected for awhile...no it has to be I'm only suspecting people who voted for me.  Same could be said for the likes of you...I've been the one calling you out and/or voting for you, and you're hung up on me

 

There will come a time when we need all the votes we can muster and Avater won't answer the call.
Nevertheless, it seems I won't get support for that.

Unvote.


Both Chaplain of Death and Imran Ehsan were voting for Rhizoctonia and maybe they knew something more.  I'll let them speak from the grave.

 

Vote: Rhizoctonia

 

 

How would they know something more on me like you're suggesting?  Their roles wouldn't of provided anything more on me.  If you want the same reasons they gave, just look at Canik or ABT...they use the same. 

 

Ok, here's my 50 cents.

Day/night 3 was a disaster. We lost 3 members, all of which had power roles, and 2 of which were active, analytical members. Not good.

While I'm not at all the best analytical mind, here's what I've come up with.

1. Canik acts scummy to me. I still defend my vote from day 3. At that time, to me anyway, based on his posting style, his constant exhortations that he's town make me really consider my day 4 vote for him. Shah started that trend, and he's continued it. There's just too much that he's said that makes me pause about his true loyalties.

2. Yehom. Yeah he's a newcomer, but he was the deciding vote against d3mon. He also claimes he attempted a night move but botched it. His defense hasn't been exactly stellar, but at this point I'm only at the point of careful watching.

3. Rhizo. You, sir, were on the d3mon bandwagon. You also have offered up no real defense of your actions. You claim to be VT. Mandarijn's info on you says you're vanilla. Considering everyone who has been rolled has had some sort of power role, one can come to the conclusion that EVERY person in the town has a power role, making your claims to be VT rather suspect. Now lets look at the night kills real quick. Imran and Chaplain both got rolled. Both voted for you to be lynched during the day. You argued rather forcefully that Imran was absolutely scum. We all now know that was a lie. You also pushed for d3mon to be lynched, and succeeded, and now we lost our JOAT, who even if d3mon was inactive, could have been replaced (and maybe was in progress of being replaced.)

ABT stated on day 3 that rolling Rhizo was the low-risk/high reward option for day 3. We didn't take it then. I think we'd be wise to more than consider it today.

Summing up...
1. Rhizo's lack of power role...
2. Rhizo's clear attempts at misdirection in his accusations of Imran and vote for d3mon on day 3
3. Rhizo's lack of real defense for his actions

Leads me to make this declaration:

VOTE: Rhizoctonia

I still have a lot of suspicion about Canik. But for today, Rhizo is the better choice.

 

 

Here we go again, another person who thinks they know what roles the mod used.  Is that all you guy's really got?  How would you like me to defend myself?  Mandarijn came back Vanilla on me, everyone says that doesn't prove I'm a VT, yet you and others seem to think that it obviously means I'm a goon scum.  I don't get how it doesn't prove my innocence, but it sure seems to prove guilt.  It doesn't, it hasn't.

 

And you're right, I did push Imran.  I pushed him from early on that he was scum.  I was wrong...are we now going off everytime someone suspects someone and is wrong as they have to be scum?  Because I imagine many will have picked wrong on who they thought at one point was scum at least once in this game..and soon you will be an example of such.  I presented my reasoning for Imran, you may not of liked it, but not like I came out with Imran out of the blue.  I went with my gut, it's not like my push was bandwaggoning on to someone else...I stuck with my claim, even with others didn't think so.  And yea, 2 people that were pushing me are now dead....perfect setup to to make me look even more gulity and have the town lynch another Townie while they get another tonight.  You're soon going to be down 5 townies in 2 days/night time.  

 

You'll are about to make a game ending lynch.  When Mandarijn did his role on me he found I didn't have a role, and at "this point" I still don't have one.  I at least know when the town loses, it wont be because of me.


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Kevin I'm curious why, even after d3mon turned out not to be scum, you insisted on trying to lynch inactives? I understand that move, i followed it too, in the more early stages of the game where you can afford a mislynch, but even after seeing that 2 members of the town got taken out, you were still insisting on killing an inactive and only turned around after you found out you weren't going to get any support this round for the inactive lynch. If Manda didn't vouch for you, you'd be pretty high up that suspect list. 

 

Rhizo is making less and less of a case for himself, but again I understand where his defense is coming from. Is it a coincidence that Imran got killed last night, probably not. Question now is whether it was because Rhizo is scum, or is Rhizo getting set up? I'm still leaning towards my previous statement. I want to believe that Rhizo is VT. Problem is that we really can't wait it out. If there were any other real suspects, on whom we had information, I would have liked to look at those first, but because there are none at this point in time, I will vote Rhizo

 

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Yehom probably has conditional abilities like even/odd

 

 

Also no one has definite infos yet?


I think the most important thing to discuss right now is why scums chose Imran and CoD

My reasoning as to why Imran and CoD were killed is that reasonable scum will not:

- kill inactives

- kill guys that are on a bandwagon that has just lynched townie

 

That leaves just a handful of us to choose from. I'll leave the universal fact "if you were not targeted then you can be scum" aside because it applies to everyone so it's useless on its own.

- Canik, Finster are lynch-worthy to some, so they're low priority

- Lyner, you're kind of similar

- iSoc hasn't been helping town much so why kill him, he'll be suspicious.

 

That leaves me, Imran, CoD, Mandarjin:

- here I think it was random choice, as for instance both me and Imran had the same targets.

- Maybe Mandarjin was less aggressive and therefore less dangerous when "ringleaders" are elminated?

- Maybe I live because they've checked me and decided my role is not threatening?

 

Second kill this night points to the possibility that scums have JOAT role among them, so they could have investigated some of us. That was something Rhizo used as an argument when accusing Mandarjin (which can be viewed both ways).

While it's technically possible that Mandarjin is a scum JOAT along with his scum friend KevihH (or he's trolling the game) I find it so much risky and prone to backfire that it's not worthy to consider - simply because if they are and noone is able to verify them then town sucks and deserves to loose.

 

Imran and CoD are the most active players too so that might be another reason.

CoD kill still doesn't make sense, wouldn't scum be happy if I'm fighting with CoD again today? Well they can frame me but that is pretty weak.

 

 

 

If scum have a fake role given by the mod then it is plausible that Mand-Kevin and perhaps Rhizo are working together. Nobody have claimed any roles since the two of them so the probabilty of that happening is low I guess

 

 

 

 

I was about to accuse Rhizo as well but the sudden wagon on him, plus both Canik and FB voting together.... this is too fishy :P

 

Nonetheless, Imran was right on CoD & me as townies bickering with each other so perhaps I can trust him in this one. I didn't feel comfortable putting Rhizo at -1 this early because of the super quick wagon, "as if scums want to end this quickly and win tomorrow" kind of uncomfortable feeling, so I will hold off the vote for now.

 

 

 

And can you stop lying and misleading the town, Canik? Calling someone as a townie and getting it right doesn't prove anything, if anything, only scums know that information.

 

About the lying, you're putting a false statement. I was inline with Imran, albeit a different priority on who to lynch. This and this confirm Imran's position on the matter, you and Rhizo are on his lynch list, with FB trying to bus you yesterday. The only difference is Imran put the priority on the Rhizo lynch instead of you, Canik.

 

 

 

For @Finster Baby, if you're truly town and feel that Canik is scummy, don't you find it suspicious that Canik is voting for Rhizo?



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About the lying, you're putting a false statement. I was inline with Imran


CoD & Imran agreed with me, and they were both PROVEN town. Lyner & Rhizo on the other hand, accused them (respectively*) of being scum, fought against them


There, fixed. Happy? In my post before I only said you accused CoD, I just didn't word that one sentence perfectly. But go ahead and jump all over it like it's a big deal. Everyone has made some poorly worded statements. Some worse than others, sort of.

I find it interesting you still have nothing to report. It's day 4 now and we could use more info.

Calling someone as a townie and getting it right doesn't prove anything, if anything, only scums know that information.


So we should trust people who make bad, town crippling decisions and not listen to the people who have fought against those decisions? Gotcha.

I was about to accuse Rhizo as well but the sudden wagon on him, plus both Canik and FB voting together.... this is too fishy


Early yesterday you said "I believe this is just a maneuver from scum to distract the town."
http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/56759-tw-01-cybernations-mafia-day-4/?p=854344

And even late in the day you argued against CoD and the role madness theory.

Rhizo must have said some really scummy things to make you change your mind if that's all you were going off of. Like really, really scummy things. Though I don't think you ever addressed what it was that you found so suspicious about. (but I did only skim over yesterday).

 




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