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[Lyner]

 

 

About the lying, you're putting a false statement. I was inline with Imran

 

CoD & Imran agreed with me, and they were both PROVEN town. Lyner & Rhizo on the other hand, accused them (respectively*) of being scum, fought against them

There, fixed. Happy? In my post before I only said you accused CoD, I just didn't word that one sentence perfectly. But go ahead and jump all over it like it's a big deal. Everyone has made some poorly worded statements. Some worse than others, sort of.

I find it interesting you still have nothing to report. It's day 4 now and we could use more info.

 

 

What's with the desperation? We just want to have some clarity here

 

I choose to report whenever I feel it would benefits the town, apparently now is not the time.

 

Anyway, shouldn't you answer that question yourself?

 

 

 

 

 

Calling someone as a townie and getting it right doesn't prove anything, if anything, only scums know that information.

So we should trust people who make bad, town crippling decisions and not listen to the people who have fought against those decisions? Gotcha.

 

 

I'm only saying that correctly calling certain someone is townie beforehand gives you no town credit whatsoever but you're acting like it should give you some credibility

 

 

 

 

Early yesterday you said "I believe this is just a maneuver from scum to distract the town."
http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/56759-tw-01-cybernations-mafia-day-4/?p=854344

 

Exactly, that's why I'm still hesitating even now

 

 

Rhizo must have said some really scummy things to make you change your mind if that's all you were going off of. Like really, really scummy things. Though I don't think you ever addressed what it was that you found so suspicious about. (but I did only skim over yesterday).

 

Pretty accurate skimming I'd say

 

No I haven't stated any suspicious thing from Rhizo, I didn't give him any town credits either(I did state that he didn't help the town at all yesterday. He's just lower in my lynch priority list yesterday. Today with Imran revealed as town I'm not so sure.

 

Note that you and FB are still on the top on my lynch priority list, but apparently "town" needs some concrete infos before we can round up both of you

[KevinH]

Kevin I'm curious why, even after d3mon turned out not to be scum, you insisted on trying to lynch inactives? I understand that move, i followed it too, in the more early stages of the game where you can afford a mislynch, but even after seeing that 2 members of the town got taken out, you were still insisting on killing an inactive and only turned around after you found out you weren't going to get any support this round for the inactive lynch. If Manda didn't vouch for you, you'd be pretty high up that suspect list.

 

D3mon flipping townie has no impact on whether Avater is townie or not (if anything, there is one less townie that he could be). We need votes to lynch scum and inactives can't deliver votes.

[Mandarijn]

If we keep following that and scum just kills the active ones every night, we're not getting anywhere though...

 

We have enough townies to lynch someone (at deadline).

[Canik]

What's with the desperation? We just want to have some clarity here I choose to report whenever I feel it would benefits the town, apparently now is not the time. Anyway, shouldn't you answer that question yourself?

"What's with the desperation" - Clearly a loaded question.. but really, why shouldn't I be desperate if I am town? We just lost 3 people, the room for error is extremely small, and I care about winning. So yeah, I'm getting a little desperate and annoyed. I came into the day like that.

I am happy 4 other people have voted now for Rhizo, but things are still looking bad overall for town.

"I choose to report whenver I feel it would benefits the town, apparently now is not the time"

Yeah, that's what I find interesting.. that now STILL isn't the time.

"Anyway, shouldn't you answer that question yourself?"

I don't have an investigation role and never indicated that I did. You indicated you had an investigation role.. but have somehow survive, and somehow not turned up nothing, sort of.

Exactly, that's why I'm still hesitating even now

So CoD & I vote for him, and you are hesitant because you think CoD & I are scum. (one of which have been proven town).. but then Rhizo does something scummy that you won't share with us but it changes your mind, you're about to accuse him.. but then FB & I vote for him and so now you're hesitant again?

No I haven't stated any suspicious thing from Rhizo, I didn't give him any town credits either(I did state that he didn't help the town at all yesterday. He's just lower in my lynch priority list yesterday. Today with Imran revealed as town I'm not so sure.

You didn't give him town credits 'either'? It sounds like you're saying you had him in the middle of the pack, about equal scum/town points... so why were you going to accuse him?

http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/56759-tw-01-cybernations-mafia-day-4/?p=856289

You said "I was about to accuse Rhizo"

You story seems to be getting really mixed up Lyner. I think we need some clarity.

[The Warrior]

Vote Count

Rhizoctonia (5): Mandarijn, Canik, KevinH, Finster Baby, Yehom

Yehom (1): Ali bin Turban

Ali bin Turban (0):

Avater (0):

Canik (0):

Finster Baby (0):

iSocialism (0):

KevinH (0):

Lyner (0):

Mandarijn (0):

Rafay (0):
Robert2424 (0):

Roquentin (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not voting: Avater, iSocialism, Lyner, Rafay, Rhizoctonia, Robert2424, Roquentin

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch or 4 at update (deadline).
Update (deadline) is Monday, May 23rd, at 9:00am CN Server Time.

[Rhizoctonia]

My vote is for Canik

I already stated some of my reasoning earlier, and his comments today only continue to make it more obvious.  His seemingly desperation act to get my lynched looks is way over the top and forced to seem townish.  Guess what, all townies lost 3 members last night, you don't see us being so dramatic about it.  He has called Lyner for nothing to report being day 4....yet he has not reported anything.  Seemingly trying to force Lyner to expose his role when at this point if someone had something to report that would help, they likely would have.  Why he believe Lyner should report any findings he has even though they aren't of any help is stupid, especially if he still has some roles left and aren't 1-2 shots like some have had.  

 

This is again the guy who didn't suspect me, but suddenly did when his push for Lyner or his push for Avatar didn't work, suddenly he jumps on me when his back is against the wall.  The evidence of me coming up Vanilla had already came out before he even voted Avatar, and then later switched to me when votes were going against him.  It didn't make me a suspect then in his eyes, hell even a day earlier he listed a long list of who he suspected, I wasn't even a top choice on suspicion.  But now, now he is going over the top on being so sure it's me, with nothing new even coming forward since then.  He just jumps on whatever bandwagon he can or who has momentum going their way to save himself, when twice now he's been high up on votes for which if he is town, scum could of easily hopped on that bandwagon and vote him off, but they didn't.  Not including, Imran and ABT have suspected him the prior two days along with others...so if you're going to say now that Imran was killed, since he suspected me that is a reason, well he suspected you two, for multiple days, and before me.  Even when he voted me, he still suspected you.  Scum have saved him from not jumping on his wagon, and with a lynch on me, him and rest will all but seal this up.

And since I'm about to be lynched, and no one seemed to pick up on my not so subptle hint.  I am a VT, I don't have a role at this moment.  There's a chance I may get one, but when Mandarijn did his role on me I didn't, and I still don't up to this point.  In fact I may not this whole game, depending on circumstances....but I'm not going into it anymore.  It wont help me survive this lynch if I divulge what role I could gain, and it wont help if I survive and the rest of the scum know what it is.  Simply, you'll are screwing the pooch

[Ali bin Turban]

There's no need for everyone to pile all of sudden on Rhizo. We don't want to end this day to quickly, do we? We don't have a plan on what to do after that. We still have no information about night actions, which is quite unfortunate (I wish I had any solid info to share on my own too) and sooner or later we'll need to start pushing people to share their findings (if not for the findings then for the opportunity to catch lying scums).

 

If there's a hidden (hidden so Rhizo does not need to apply) VT out there it could be good for him to step out, so that we'll avoid convenient role claims from scums that won't have any night actions to share.

I don't think any scum would come out right now claiming he's VT because there's risk that he was watched on the previous nights and he'd need to sit idle for past 3 nights to be safe (even in case of being VG he could have moved at night in order to deliver kill), so it could help us to confirm a townie (not a hard confirm but at least a step forward).

I know that would allow scums to avoid targeting no role players, but let's be serious:

 1. We had no use of them for now (except of Mandarjin's claims).

 2. We're in a critical moment and need to make more decisive moves (and still I wouldn't call claiming VT as something radical anyway).

[The Warrior]

Vote Count

Rhizoctonia (5): Mandarijn, Canik, KevinH, Finster Baby, Yehom

Canik (1): Rhizoctonia

Yehom (1): Ali bin Turban

Ali bin Turban (0):

Avater (0):

Finster Baby (0):

iSocialism (0):

KevinH (0):

Lyner (0):

Mandarijn (0):

Rafay (0):
Robert2424 (0):

Roquentin (0):

 

No Lynch (0):

Not voting: Avater, iSocialism, Lyner, Rafay, Robert2424, Roquentin

 

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch or 4 at update (deadline).
Update (deadline) is Monday, May 23rd, at 9:00am CN Server Time.

[Robert2424]

I'm very behind and can look at this only on my breaks. These large posts are hard to read with my limited time to read these. I'm trying to catch up. 

[Mandarijn]

Unvote

Vote: iSocialism

 

You're active, yet not contributing anything. Not even when I called you out...

 

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And since I'm about to be lynched, and no one seemed to pick up on my not so subptle hint.  I am a VT, I don't have a role at this moment.  There's a chance I may get one, but when Mandarijn did his role on me I didn't, and I still don't up to this point.  In fact I may not this whole game, depending on circumstances....but I'm not going into it anymore.  It wont help me survive this lynch if I divulge what role I could gain, and it wont help if I survive and the rest of the scum know what it is.  Simply, you'll are screwing the pooch

@KevinH: You don't have to tell us what he could be, but can this be true? I think it can't as that would still be some kind of role and as a Role Cop I would've picked it up...

[Ali bin Turban]

Unvote

Vote: iSocialism

 

You're active, yet not contributing anything. Not even when I called you out...

 

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And since I'm about to be lynched, and no one seemed to pick up on my not so subptle hint.  I am a VT, I don't have a role at this moment.  There's a chance I may get one, but when Mandarijn did his role on me I didn't, and I still don't up to this point.  In fact I may not this whole game, depending on circumstances....but I'm not going into it anymore.  It wont help me survive this lynch if I divulge what role I could gain, and it wont help if I survive and the rest of the scum know what it is.  Simply, you'll are screwing the pooch

@KevinH: You don't have to tell us what he could be, but can this be true? I think it can't as that would still be some kind of role and as a Role Cop I would've picked it up...

You've probably wanted to ask TW not KevinH .

 

But still is just grasping at straws. Don't you find it strange that suddenly when his fate is almost sealed he has a revelation for us? Most probably he's just looking for a way to survive and has found out there's "Backup" modifier possible in this game, so why not to use it as an argument to save his skin? He had a plenty of time to be sincere. He chose not and now it's a bit to late.

[Mandarijn]

TW probably can't answer that question, but KevinH can.

 

I'll vote for Rhizo when it's needed, but like you said we should use our time to find out other things...

[The Warrior]

A Backup is a vanilla townie until the role that they are backing up dies.

[Canik]

This is again the guy who didn't suspect me, but suddenly did when his push for Lyner or his push for Avatar didn't work, suddenly he jumps on me when his back is against the wall. The evidence of me coming up Vanilla had already came out before he even voted Avatar

Yeah, I said I was just voting Avater in the meantime and would probably change it. I was giving you a chance to respond. I didn't really push for Avater you're bending the truth a bit here.

And yeah, of course my opinions changed after the Vanilla hit and all the talk and suspicion that ensued. You moved way up on a lot of people's list, not just mine.

 

He has called Lyner for nothing to report being day 4....yet he has not reported anything. Seemingly trying to force Lyner to expose his role when at this point if someone had something to report that would help, they likely would have. Why he believe Lyner should report any findings he has even though they aren't of any help is stupid, especially if he still has some roles left and aren't 1-2 shots like some have had.

Even if he didn't have much to report, it could help confirm he is town at least which would be nice. And if he still doesn't have any useful info his investigation role must suck. And of course I wouldn't be bothering him about it if he didn't say "I got nothing, sort of" on day 2. I'm sure I'm not the only one who finds this kind of interesting/suspicious.

A Backup is a vanilla townie until the role that they are backing up dies.

Well, that's interesting. Not quite as sure about Rhizo now.. and with no other decent theories, looks like town has to take another shot in the dark. Which means town is almost certainly screwed. yay.

Unvote

Vote Canik

[Lyner]

But still is just grasping at straws. Don't you find it strange that suddenly when his fate is almost sealed he has a revelation for us? Most probably he's just looking for a way to survive and has found out there's "Backup" modifier possible in this game, so why not to use it as an argument to save his skin? He had a plenty of time to be sincere. He chose not and now it's a bit to late.

 

 

Almost sounds like his scum friends gave him this information from the mafia talk

 

 

 

Anyway I think Imran got killed because scum suspected he's some sort of cop, since he has been adamant on killing Rhizo since day 2 (difficult not to miss some posts, please correct me on this one). The lynch of King Hitler on night 2 also indicated that scums're searching for cop.

 

If we agree on this line of thoughts then Imran was right on Rhizo being scum, and scums thought about "getting rid of Imran before he can spill more informations today". Apparently he's not a cop.

[Antoine Roquentin]

Mandarijn's reasoning seems the best we have.

 

Vote: iSocialism

[Rhizoctonia]

But still is just grasping at straws. Don't you find it strange that suddenly when his fate is almost sealed he has a revelation for us? Most probably he's just looking for a way to survive and has found out there's "Backup" modifier possible in this game, so why not to use it as an argument to save his skin? He had a plenty of time to be sincere. He chose not and now it's a bit to late.

Almost sounds like his scum friends gave him this information from the mafia talk



Anyway I think Imran got killed because scum suspected he's some sort of cop, since he has been adamant on killing Rhizo since day 2 (difficult not to miss some posts, please correct me on this one). The lynch of King Hitler on night 2 also indicated that scums're searching for cop.

If we agree on this line of thoughts then Imran was right on Rhizo being scum, and scums thought about "getting rid of Imran before he can spill more informations today". Apparently he's not a cop.

To correct you a little. Imran wasn't adamant about killing me on D2. He actually for the most part of the whole D2 was Shah/Canik, and right near the end of the day voted me for pretty vague reason(my posts, didn't actually point any out). D3 came, he went back to Canik. It wasn't until Madarijn said he got a vanilla result on me that he changed his vote from Canik to me, while still believing Canik is likely as well.

[iSocialism]

There is no evidence! just a whole bunch of "failed" lynched attempts. This vague voting with a shotgun approach is a better go after then inactive or not posting.

KevinH - just wants to go after inactives.

Canik - was so eager to accuse lyner, but was voting for rhiz until now.

Mandi - is staying rhizo is definitely scum, but has being moving his vote around.

 

Please provide all the evidence against me, and let see what you got. I know the best one so for to get people lynched is, not talking. Apparently the "town" has a hunger for inactive.  

 

My best candidate so far is Canik

VOTE Canik

The flip flopping of the vote just to follow the motion. his voting pattern doesn't follow up with who he keeps calling suspicious. In actuality, it follows more a get a lynch going strategy.   

[KevinH]

A Backup is a vanilla townie until the role that they are backing up dies.

 

^what he said

[Ali bin Turban]

iSoc there are more suspicions about you than just inactivity. When you show around you're making meaningless moves, voting on some random people (like on D3 with two wagons 5-strong each you've voted on Imran out of blue). I can't remember now, but I'll check when I'm back from work, your indication that KH may be a cop (whether KH made it obvious or not).

 

Rhizo is still the most suspicious and his claims just fuel those suspicions. While I'd like to take a look at iSoc, I still want to lynch Rhizo first.

 

Roq is suspicious too - again coming out of blue and bandwagonning in (though Rhizo does not seem suspicious to him)...but still he can't be in one team with iSoc (so only one of them can be a scum).

 

Canik why are you voting on yourself?

 

I'm not going to let D3 voting happen again. I don't want day to end to early, but I want Rhizo to stay comfortable in lynch zone:

 

unvote

 

vote Rhizoctonia