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[Finster Baby]

UNVOTE.

Based on what Samus is saying, I'd rather we didn't lynch anyone and live to fight another day, than lynch a potential townie and screw us further.

[KevinH]

I'm quitting for good, every single game I play y'all mafia kill me/attempt to kill me on the first night.
 
Out of the 3 games i've played, I have been killed/attempted to be killed on day 1. The other one I was mafia.
 
But i'm seriously not involving myself in this game at all from now on since people are choosing to kill me immediately for no reason other than i'm more outspoken and active.
 
There's no fun at all to be had when people are going to target me simply because i'm me.
 
Have fun.

 

Welcome to Day 2, Samus!

+1 KevinH

 

 

It sure seems appropriate to welcome you to a Day 2 in mafia.
I'm sorry you don't feel welcomed.

 

Y'all gonna lynch another innocent town, when we have clear scum like King Hitler & KevinH manipulating your simple minds

 

All because of a "welcome", you call me a clear scum and accuse me of manipulation. That's pretty weak.

[KevinH]

I wouldn't exactly rule out Rafay as scum because of his inactivity, it is random after all. I will say I didn't notice he hasn't even posted in 2 weeks, but more reason to lynch. He hasn't been able to request a replacement, he holds us down in my view. Later on, if we get to the point where his vote would be crucial and he's still alive, we're hurting ourselves.

 

Quote for Truth!
 

OMG EVERYONE I SUSPECTED TO BE SCUM ARE VOTING FOR RAFAY.

 

...or maybe your premise for suspects is wrong and those townies are making the best choice in the interests of the town.

[The Warrior]

"Sir -- Professor Dumbledore? Can I ask you something?"
"Obviously you've just done so," Dumbledore smiled. "You may ask me one more thing, however."
"What do you see when you look in the mirror?"
 

 

Vote Count

 

Rafay (4): King Hitler KevinH, Lyner, Sister Midnight

Samus (3): legoboyvdlp, Preston, Rhizoctonia

Wolfpacks (2): iSocialism, Ali bin Turban

KevinH (1): Wolfpacks

King Hitler (1): Samus

Ali bin Turban (0):

Finster Baby (0):

iSocialism (0):

legoboyvdlp (0):

Lyner (0):

Mazuurek (0):

Preston (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

Sister Midnight (0):

 

No Lynch (0):

Not voting: Finster Baby, Mazuurek, Rafay

 

With 14 alive, it takes 7 to lynch or 4 at deadline.
Deadline is 12:00pm CST on Saturday, July 2nd.

[Finster Baby]

I will be out of touch till tuesday.

[Samus]

All because of a "welcome", you call me a clear scum and accuse me of manipulation. That's pretty weak.

 

Don't act like you're not new to this, you & EM have been scum by default for as long as I have played.

 

 

 

I wouldn't exactly rule out Rafay as scum because of his inactivity, it is random after all. I will say I didn't notice he hasn't even posted in 2 weeks, but more reason to lynch. He hasn't been able to request a replacement, he holds us down in my view. Later on, if we get to the point where his vote would be crucial and he's still alive, we're hurting ourselves.

 

Quote for Truth!
 

OMG EVERYONE I SUSPECTED TO BE SCUM ARE VOTING FOR RAFAY.

 

...or maybe your premise for suspects is wrong and those townies are making the best choice in the interests of the town.

 

 

Partners in crime again

[Ali bin Turban]

Nice to see you here Samus. And please don't quit. You're shaking things up, which is needed here. It does not prove you're town (and it would be much appreciated should you come in earlier rather than when you had a fully grown bandwagon on you), but at least all those that voted on you because of inactivity, have no longer any reason to do so.

 

That being said you seem to base your analysis entirely on who has said "Samus's alive on D2" which is just as faulty as KevinH basing entirely on activity (and it comes a bit emotional). While that's true, it's terrible argument to base ones vote on (and I've already called Lego on this) you were somewhat reinforcing that vote with your lurking/inactivity (which I suppose was the main reason with "alive thing" being probably a fluff).

Other thing is, I've also been a "victim" of speculations why I'm not dead yet. Still I'm not voting / FOSing ISoc and Rhizo for saying that (well, I took a closer look at ISoc but he seemed clear) because I don't think that's enough.

 

As for other players,

- Lego is on my watchlist - I find him suspicious and I don't like his joke voting - he said it's not joke but failed to present any evidence (And it was impossible to show any because Samus was not posting)...though that alone is not enough yet (Should rest of the town supported me I'd lynch Avater on previous game for the very same reason - and he was a town).

 

- Rafay - I've I've voted on him on D1 and were inviting everyone else to vote him too. I didn't stop thinking he's liability to the town (just like the rest of the lurkers / inactives). However as time passes I'm less inclined to vote on someone just because he's lurking (unless I there's noone else I find vote-worthy).

 

- Wolfpack / Finster - those two are my main suspects at this point. Wolfpack is acting strangely. He does not explain his votes, does not explain his reasoning and his strange comments. Keeps being vague even when asked to clarify his thoughts.

Finster is so unstable, one can lost a track who is he currently voting for. He's been jumping through bandwagons and then run away (with unvote) when being pressured by Samus. It looks like he'd like to vote on someone but is afraid to face the consequences at the same time.

I'd initially say it's not possible for both Finster / Wolfpack to be both scums (since Finster was third on his wagon...but he's jumped off just as fast as he got in it)

 

- KH / Rhizo - Can't make much about them yet. Rhizo is generally reasonable but a bit shy / quiet. KH feels similar (apart from that strange "town of the year" statement)

 

- KevinH - Not much can be told except for that he goes safe route of "let's take out those with the least votes". While so far it can be a "better than nothing" solution (there's not much other info and lurkers shouldn't get a free pass) relying only on "least votes" tactic will bring us defeat.

 

- Lyner - has posted to little to draw any town / scum conclusion.

 

- SM - can't say much about her. She tries to be nice and helpful to everyone and is generally going with the flow of the game - which is nothing wrong but at the same time it's a good tactic to hide under the radar. Might be a town / might be a well concealed scum.

 

- ISoc - got a slight townie feeling about him (will be confirmed if Wolfpacks turn out to be a scum).

 

- Preston - possibly a town. I generally agree with his posts

[Rhizoctonia]

Unvote for now, seems Samus finally spoke up and bunch has been said while at work.

Need to reread what's been said today

[Finster Baby]

Afraid of consequences? Hardly. I'm more afraid of doing something that causes the town to lose - you know, the goal? To win?

I'm not great at reading people in this game and such. As a result, I'm easily swayed. Arguments that make sense to me I buy. It's not a bad trait, usually.

Believe it or not Ali, when you or Samus say something, it holds more weight than if others say it, IMO. Until/unless you give me reason to disbelieve you, such as conflicting info, etc.

My goals are for the town to win. Period. I will do anything necessary for that to happen.

D2 sucks. Nobody has any info available, as such, we all draw conclusions from innuendo.

I'll wait till right before I leave for my mini-holiday before I cast my vote again.

[Samus]

Nice to see you here Samus. And please don't quit. You're shaking things up, which is needed here

 

kept quiet initially on purpose because assumed I was gonna be hit on N1 and wasn't going to bother putting in the effort if that was to be my fate

Believe it or not Ali, when you or Samus say something, it holds more weight than if others say it, IMO

this is why mafia target me on n1  

[Rhizoctonia]

So I have to apologize for not being able to devote the time to dive deep this day, but the day is almost over and I haven't been able to.

 

Points I have with a little bit of reading I've been able to do.

 

FB - who can keep track of who he's voting for.  He switches from one to the next it seems like daily...whoever seems to be getting votes.  He did the same thing when we were scum buddies and got him in trouble.  Did he not learn from last time?  Either way, his actions are sporadic at the least...if you have suspicion of different people, you don't have to change your vote to say it

 

Lego - Don't like Lego's Samus vote.  The whole voting Samus because he's alive is funny and all, but pointless.  I believe someone called him out about not doing joke votes and he defended his vote that it wasn't.  New to the game, but it seems like a possible inexperienced scum looking to find an easy target to vote for any others to follow.  High on my list of scum

 

KevinH  - Hard one to read.  I've played with Kevin a few games, when I was a SK and when I was scum (when he was town), and he was one to actually not go me when most were...where if I was town, he would of seriously made himself look scum to me.  So he's a tough one to read even when he's town.  He always pushes for inactive/lurker votes, so that's no different in this game or another, but everyone knowing he always does that is an easy way to vote a lurker/inactive town as a scum and people think nothing of it.  He's higher on my suspicious list.

 

Wolfpacks - Tough to say...he is not on the top of my list of scum, but he's in the running.

 

TBH, I want lurkers/inactive dead....as they're no help to town and could be scum hiding (like what one the last game I played).  That being said, we don't gain anything from it doing it D2 either.  At least lynching someone you have a little suspicion on and whose thrown out votes towards people, and/or analysis of everyone gives us something to go on for tomorrow depending on what they turn up. 

 

After thinking about it, and after Samus pointed out what I already mentioned about Rafay not posting anywhere for awhile, I dont think it's smart to kill Rafay today.  I'd ask TW to contact him and either tell him to participate or be replaced and if he doesn't respond, TW finds a replacement and go from there.  Plus the amount of people who bandwagoned on him after I posted makes me a bit weary of voting him.  

 

I'm left with a little analysis with the time I've had, and I know it's not great, but I have to go with what I personally had time to gather.  Out of 3 that's on my suspicious list, I have to go with the one that I think has a chance to be lynched at this point, as a deadline is close and i don't see a wagon happening on the likes of Lego by tomorrow, thus I have to go with Wolfpack.  Him being lynched will at least allow us to get some reads on certain people depending on what wolfpacks is (town or scum) with what he's said, and who voted him or shyed away from him.  

 

Vote:  Wolfpacks

[Lyner]

TBH, I want lurkers/inactive dead....as they're no help to town and could be scum hiding (like what one the last game I played).  That being said, we don't gain anything from it doing it D2 either.  At least lynching someone you have a little suspicion on and whose thrown out votes towards people, and/or analysis of everyone gives us something to go on for tomorrow depending on what they turn up.

 

More like almost every game I played here. In the later days because we tried to lynch someone that "looks suspicious" without any solid evidence, we're left with inactive townies not being replaced and unable to vote for the scums, or we're left with inactive scums hiding alongside inactive townies.

[Sister Midnight]

 

TBH, I want lurkers/inactive dead....as they're no help to town and could be scum hiding (like what one the last game I played).  That being said, we don't gain anything from it doing it D2 either.  At least lynching someone you have a little suspicion on and whose thrown out votes towards people, and/or analysis of everyone gives us something to go on for tomorrow depending on what they turn up.

 

More like almost every game I played here. In the later days because we tried to lynch someone that "looks suspicious" without any solid evidence, we're left with inactive townies not being replaced and unable to vote for the scums, or we're left with inactive scums hiding alongside inactive townies.

 

Aren't you supposed to lynch suspicious looking people?

[Preston]

LOT of changes and shaking things up since my last post, wow.

So first off: Samus has returned, and is arguing that the "Samus is still alive" justification is a scum-tell. It's a thin premise to be sure; the only weight it's worth giving is if it's a recognition of Samus's veterancy - i.e. a target scum should not leave alive unless he's one of them.
The real question now that Samus has returned is whether he was lurking or truly inactive; the former is worse than the latter. Given the pattern of his posts since he returned, catching up bit by bit - MAYBE he was just inactive, but given his level of activity elsewhere it's still a little hard for me to believe he couldnt have been watching this thread enough to see where the votes were going.

However, I said I would remove my vote when Samus returned, so I am going to stick with that.
Though I have to comment on Samus's statement that I look to be 'working alone'... only scum know each other for certain, so how could townies NOT be working alone? Or did I misunderstand that statement?

Unvote

Before I get into the other wagons... Finster has seriously caught my eye with his most recent posts. I'll snip the lines that feel the most notable to me:

You mistake my own analysis as scum-like. Nothing can be further from the truth. Rafay's playing like he has the last several games.

I get your point about voting out inactives only helps the scum, and I tend to agree with you. That said, Rafay, if he's town, should be attempting to help us derive who the scum are.

I'm sort of at a loss as to who to vote for at this point. Wolfpacks still ranks very high on my scum list. Yet when I played scum with Rafay, he was very much paying attention and watching what was going on.

So here Finster seems to be doubling down on the "past game pattern" argument as why Rafay's inactivity equals scumminess. I still dont feel this argument holds water, and is a weak stretch unless someone observes Rafay watching the thread without posting and turns his inactivity into definite intentional lurking.
 

UNVOTE.

Based on what Samus is saying, I'd rather we didn't lynch anyone and live to fight another day, than lynch a potential townie and screw us further.

So much wrong with this; not lynching anyone means we go into day THREE with no more information than day one, short of someone with a power role a) successfully finding scum and role claiming to reveal that info openly (in which case they get a target on their back). And 'live to fight another day' is exactly what won't happen; barring some beautiful luck on the part of a doctor or other protective role (if one even exists), we're going to lose someone tonight. People need to go on record, even if it means screwing up.

Finster posted after that saying he was going to be gone, which struck me as dangerous; unvote and then excuse yourself to leave? Fortunately he had another response later where he concludes as follows:

I'll wait till right before I leave for my mini-holiday before I cast my vote again.

 
 
So is this a change of heart again to where you no longer rather we don't lynch anyone? It's hard to keep track of all this; I believe Finster said this is his third game, but this is really all over the place.
Combined with my suspicion earlier when Finster said for people to spill if they had any role information, this now puts him quite high on my scum list.

However the viable wagons at the moment are on Rafay and Wolfpacks. Neither are ideal, but time remaining is now measured in hours instead of days... so let's look at them.

Rafay - I've spoken about this before, but if he is just inactive then that's one thing; but I think I am reacting to the people who want to equate that to him being a scum ONLY because he was inactive/lurking in prior games as a scum too. It just doesn't sit right with me as an argument, day 2 or not.
Wolfpacks - I can see the argument that he has posted a larger amount of generalized statements than most of us - posts where little constructive feels like it has been said, or where he has been intentionally vague. I called on him to actually post his thoughts on who may be scum, but he has not done so yet. He needs to, so that it can put some concrete positions down for him and we can judge him more effectively.

I don't know if I'll get another post in before the day ends, since I *think* it's noon tomorrow - er, today. So like 10 hours. I might /sleep/ that long, even. So I'm going to act like this is my last post, and if I can follow up in the morning then good.

Vote: Wolfpacks

Between the two wagons, this one speaks to me the most - it's not based on the question of inactivity versus lurking, it's based on a seemingly deliberate desire to not take a solid position - excepting the OMGUS vote back against Finster earlier.

FoS: Finster

I am now concerned enough about Finster to make this a full FoS. Some of the statements and positions he has taken are difficult to reconcile with a townie feeling it'd make sense, and is more in line with feeling out which wagons he can jump on safely. His earlier question about role information still doesnt sit right with me either.

Other scum watchlist:
KevinH - I don't have anything solid here. He and Finster seemed to be on the same page during the Rafay/Mazuurek inactives discussion, and Kevin as well as Finster called for role information early in Day 2 which caught my interest then. As for the content about role variants that 'may' be present - that felt like a smokescreen, even as it made the point (that I agreed with) that we can't rely on investigations. I am open to seeing myself proven wrong about this based on how Kevin posts in the future, but in case I get killed... this is what I am thinking.

Here's hoping we get lucky with our lynch today... I'm none too confident in either choice, but we need to get people on record or the scum will walk all over us.

I'll post in the morning if I'm here before deadline. Fingers crossed.

-Preston

[Lyner]

 

 

TBH, I want lurkers/inactive dead....as they're no help to town and could be scum hiding (like what one the last game I played).  That being said, we don't gain anything from it doing it D2 either.  At least lynching someone you have a little suspicion on and whose thrown out votes towards people, and/or analysis of everyone gives us something to go on for tomorrow depending on what they turn up.

 

More like almost every game I played here. In the later days because we tried to lynch someone that "looks suspicious" without any solid evidence, we're left with inactive townies not being replaced and unable to vote for the scums, or we're left with inactive scums hiding alongside inactive townies.

 

Aren't you supposed to lynch suspicious looking people?

 

 

My "looks suspicious" is a sarcasm

 

Poor Wolfpack is being accused for his way of posting while it can easily be explained that this is his first game, of course he might not play optimally. But at least he is active, and on the later days we can judge him better.

 

On the other hand, Rafay, a seasoned player, is being inactive and not helping at all

[Wolfpacks]

I don't think Rafay is one, he has been scum in many other games the odds are more in favour of him not being it, Shamus is just being shamus he posts when you least expect it, I'm more inclined to say the people trying to push us that way are more guilty, KevinH has been the strongest candidate for that, his lists pointing us one way or another, Finster seems to change his mind like the weather voting this way and that. For these reasons I going to change my vote

Unvote Finster

Vote KevinH

I'm sorry did I not write a big enough list for you,
I didn't vote Finster out of spite, at the time I voted him because he was deflecting the attention from him to others because of the way he was voting if it was I revenge vote I would have voted for ISOC because he voted me first, I'm a newb not immature.
I'm voting for Kevin because I feel he has the biggest voice here thats trying to lead everyone to his side of voting, by picking the quietest voice ie rafay and a few are following him.

[Wolfpacks]

You may have noticed as well I havent jumped on KevinH's bandwagon to save my own arse, because I have voted for who I believe is a scum

[SeaBeeGipson]

Sorry guys, I only have a fairly limited amount of time to go through the forums lately and I'm trying to keep up the best I can.

Finister, the comment about waiting last second before you leave to vote strikes me as one of the most scum like things mentioned by anyone. Why? You would cast a vote towards someone and leave, case simple. You wouldn't allow any time for a rebuttal. You could post any explanation at all and because you're going to be inactive for a bit, you wouldn't have to worry about responding. You'd expect us to move past whatever the reasoning is and whoever your target is just because you won't be around to defend it. It would've seemed more town-like to post you vote instead of that comment in my eyes. You would've allowed time for whoever you vote for to cast a rebuttal and offer any information. Whether that information is good for himself (gives us the benefit of the doubt he's town, avoiding a mislynch) or good for us (casts more belief he's a scum, get more of a wagon going on.) It might just be me but that comment rubbed me the wrong way. If this is your third game (I was under the assumption it was your first), the constant switching your votes around so fast is another add on to looking scummy.

Unvote. If TW can replace Rafay, I don't want to get rid of him too early. I would like to get rid of the inactives and lurkers, but I think I missed reading that part earlier.

Vote Finister. Suspect #1 in my eyes due to the above.

[SeaBeeGipson]

I'd also like to add that I'm interested in SM actual opinion. From what I've seen, she is still trying to get a grasp of the games context and how it works. I poked SM at the beginning of D2 because I know she is an intelligent person. At first, she seemed to be doing just joke posts, which in my eyes looked scummy from an intelligent person. However, her rebuttal and her behavior on D2 seems to be casting a fair share of townie feeling and I'd like to hear her opinions on people. The best way to get comfortable in the game is to dive in and start poking people yourself. Let your opinions be known. Worst case, most people can see the difference between a nooby post and a scum post.

[Samus]

- Lego is on my watchlist - I find him suspicious and I don't like his joke voting - he said it's not joke but failed to present any evidence (And it was impossible to show any because Samus was not posting)...though that alone is not enough yet (Should rest of the town supported me I'd lynch Avater on previous game for the very same reason - and he was a town).

 

ABT Approves

 

Lego - Don't like Lego's Samus vote.  The whole voting Samus because he's alive is funny and all, but pointless.  I believe someone called him out about not doing joke votes and he defended his vote that it wasn't.  New to the game, but it seems like a possible inexperienced scum looking to find an easy target to vote for any others to follow.  High on my list of scum

 

Rhizo approves

 

For those of you who want to vote based on pure activity, why hasn't anyone bothered to vote for Legoboy?

Evidently active, but inactive in this thread?? still hasn't explained or defended his voting rationale either.

 

King Hitler, KevinH, Lyner, Sister Midnight all voted for Rafay for this very reason. Choosing an inactive player over a game lurker, a game lurker who was the first to start a wagon against me. Doesn't sound pro town move to me at all.

 

I'm going to change my vote as I see legoboy is the highest on the scum radar for (most?) people and is the most likely to be lynched. 1 dead scum for 1 dead townie tonight i'll be happy with.

 

Unvote

 

Vote legoboy

 

Also I would like to hear your views on legoboy too, seems you've all been suspiciously quiet in that regard.

 

@,  @KevinH, @Wolfpacks, @Finster Baby, @Lyner