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[TW-02] Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone - Hogwarts Wins!

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I've just got back home...but there's Poland - Portugal match going right now so I rather won't be able to participate today.

 

Wolfpack, you need to write what you think about the game and other players. You're one of the suspects and just can't stay vague (not to mention that hiding information is not helping town).



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Unofficial Vote Count
 

Rafay (3): King Hitler, Finster Baby, KevinH,

Samus (3): legoboyvdlp, Preston, Rhizoctonia, 

Wolfpacks (2): iSocialism, Ali bin Turban,

Finster Baby (1): Wolfpacks

Mazuurek (0):

Ali bin Turban (0):

iSocialism (0):

KevinH (0):

King Hitler (0):

legoboyvdlp (0):

Lyner (0):

Preston (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

Sister Midnight (0):

 

No Lynch (0):

Not voting: Lyner, Mazuurek, Rafay, Samus, Sister Midnight

 
With 14 alive, it takes 7 to lynch or 4 at deadline.
Deadline is 12:00pm CST on Saturday, July 2nd. (Just over 1.5 days)
 



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Why do you say I'm ignoring 2 inactives?  I'm listing 6 "candidates for lynch":

(snip)

That should explain why Rafay is #2.
 
Does anybody need help interpreting #3 through #6?

Per my prior post I acknowledge you had that longer list, and you don't need to be facetious about explaining it.

I am referring to how the conversation around inactives revolved around Rafay and Mazuurek until I raised Samus and Lyner when looking at Day 2 posts only, unless I've missed a post to the contrary looking back over the day. Case in point, your most recent post where you changed your vote and only cite Rafay and Mazuurek as #1 and #2 - and no, you do not need to list your whole scum list each time you change your vote.

It felt like an omission to not be examining all the day2 inactives equally and then looking for what sets them apart - I disregarded day 1 post count because it's easy to inflate with theme and fluff, and it seems like you didn't. This may be a case of me expecting you to have already seen what I'm seeing, or having an inflated opinion of your analysis... but it felt quite glaring. If we are considering 'lurking' as defined by inactivity here plus activity outside of the thread, such that they are seemingly not posting on purpose - by that score Samus is the worse offender because Rafay has not been active anywhere else we can see.

With that said - we have 3 votes apiece on Rafay and Samus now. This should be enough to apply pressure without yet committing to either. If nothing happens by tomorrow... then we see who shifts votes where to take a wagon to half-majority, and that will be useful information too.

On the subject of your following post, I would be a bit frustrated if TW applied such weakening roles without somehow compensating the town. I don't know if we're advanced enough to deal with it, so I'll just hope those are not in. But your takeaway point is still correct - no-lynch for a 2nd day would be a mistake, we need *meaningful* vote info; votes that cannot be shrugged off as "you cannot blame me for it". I just wish I felt more confident about either of the two currently on the block.

As for Wolfpacks' comment - it's a general statement that long speeches can be scummy, and it's true; scum can look like townies trying to do analysis, or they can go near-silent and try to fly under the radar. However please do not tease with a vague "I have a couple who I actually think are scum" - you might die tonight like any of us, and your thoughts would die with you. Everyone should get their suspect list and rationales out in the open before the day ends, so that if you're the night kill we know what you thought tomorrow.

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I am starting to feel a bit pressured to vote and I am torn between Rafay and Samus and Wolfpacks.   As I said before, Rafay and Samus are both candidates because of their notable lack of participation.  I'm still very suspicious of Wolfpacks, but I'm inclined to wait on voting for him because I'm finding Samus's silence to be the most suspicious of all.  We all know he's lurking and I"m going to risk offending him by being blunt here, he quit because he was either murdered or voted out way early, so of course no one wants to prematurely vote him out.  TW must know we'd all feel this way, which makes it more likely that he'd make Samus  scum.  But then I am wary of continuing the trend of voting Samus out early.  Why isn't Samus saying anything?  Is it a strategy to observe how we all think and pick out the scum?  Is it a strategy of being scum and trying to keep quiet in order to avoid sounding suspicious?  Is he scum and silent because he knows no one wants to lynch him so early?  This is maddening. 

 

I'm so sorry, Samus, if only you would speak up and defend yourself I wouldn't be voting for you and I am open to changing my vote if you can convince me you aren't scum.

 

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I've just got back home...but there's Poland - Portugal match going right now so I rather won't be able to participate today.
 
Wolfpack, you need to write what you think about the game and other players. You're one of the suspects and just can't stay vague (not to mention that hiding information is not helping town).


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I don't think Rafay is one, he has been scum in many other games the odds are more in favour of him not being it, Shamus is just being shamus he posts when you least expect it, I'm more inclined to say the people trying to push us that way are more guilty, KevinH has been the strongest candidate for that, his lists pointing us one way or another, Finster seems to change his mind like the weather voting this way and that. For these reasons I going to change my vote

Unvote Finster

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I'm back

 

 

Glad to see you, Preston. I see you already climbed to the top of most likely townie in less than a day :P 

 

 

Points of interest in day 2:

1. Why CoD as a target last night?

 

He wasn't very active in this game, so perhaps scums thought he's trying to lay low and he has some investigation power. If I were scum though, I will first kill the actives(Finster, King, SM) and analytical ones(Kevin, AbT), and would later kill the PRs after they actually dropped some hints that they are PR. This slightly indicates that the scums are comfortable with leaving those grups of player alive.

 

The lack of lynch on day one, and the lack of any wagon on active players on day two also support this. Scums are playing it safe and felt fine with just killing the inactives one by one.

 

 

2. Today's lynch target

 

It seems everyone is keen on lynching the inactives/lurkers, and particularly Rafay and Samus who haven't posted once since the start of the day(I see I almost become part of this group :P). Indication that our PR roles haven't found anything solid yet.

 

The interesting thing is, the same group of people who voted no-lynch yesterday(Kevin, King, Finster), suddenly voted for Rafay today, without any solid justifications. Why today, and not yesterday?

 

FoS: Kevin, King Hitler, Finster

 

 

 

 

That said, since I came a bit too late to the party(less than 2 real life days left), I don't think I can start a new wagon right now and I don't see any solid scum tell yet, so, just like my yesterday's vote:

 

Vote: Rafay

 

 

 

 

Also it's interesting to see that AbT completely forgot about Rafay and how he will be a liability to the town ;)



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Sorry guys, been extremely busy in r/l and tbh, have kinda lost interest in mafia, was expecting to be lynched n1, so wasn't planning on even putting much effort into it if I was going to get lynched.

 

Anyway i'll read through the pages later and give more input, but what I would say is watch out for the people who keep repeating 'Samus is still alive day1 ?!?!'. Those are scum, i'm telling you, they knew I would be alive as they knew not to vote to kill me and they are using that to their advantage to cause confusion.

 

I'll try reading up on the other pages, (I was on page 7 last), but for now.

 

Vote King Hitler


TW must know we'd all feel this way, which makes it more likely that he'd make Samus  scum.
 

I believe mods chose scum at random, so I doubt it.

 

Is it a strategy of being scum and trying to keep quiet in order to avoid sounding suspicious?
 

Also you're spot on here, there are mafia that intentionally lurk not to draw attention to theirselves, but they are truly active.

 

ALSO, just to say, I haven't been lurking at all, i've been active on the forums, just not in this thread, i'm only posting now cause TW prodded me


Also it's interesting to see that AbT completely forgot about Rafay and how he will be a liability to the town
 

where does he mention that?



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Samus because of your dedicated service to IRON; your high casualty count and aid given your fellow IRONers. I hear by baptize ye in Fire and blood. You rise as IRON!

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MVP(Mod’s Choice)= Master Samus; I think Master Samus played amazingly for a guy who claims it was his second only mafia game. He never led the town on him and that’s why he deserves this award. He was impressive in manipulating the town that led to the ultimate mafia victory.
 
Player of Mafia; Master Samus/emudevelopment (shared); I think both were instrumental in the town’s defeat. Both were manipulative and deceptive. They clearly came out as pro-town and looked like de-facto town leaders. They led the lynch wagon w/o anyone uncovering their true motives.

Samus, you should be proud that you've helped make an environment where people feel safe enough to share their experiences.


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TW must know we'd all feel this way, which makes it more likely that he'd make Samus  scum. 

Just to be clear: All roles were assigned completely randomly. Every person in the game had the same chance of being scum as anyone else.


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Vote Count

 

Samus (4): legoboyvdlp, Preston, Rhizoctonia, Sister Midnight

Rafay (4): King Hitler, Finster Baby, KevinH, Lyner

Wolfpacks (2): iSocialism, Ali bin Turban

KevinH (1): Wolfpacks

King Hitler (1): Samus

Ali bin Turban (0):

Finster Baby (0):

iSocialism (0):

legoboyvdlp (0):

Lyner (0):

Mazuurek (0):

Preston (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

Sister Midnight (0):


No Lynch (0):

Not voting: Mazuurek, Rafay

 

With 14 alive, it takes 7 to lynch or 4 at deadline.
Deadline is 12:00pm CST on Saturday, July 2nd.


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Y'all gonna lynch another innocent town, when we have clear scum like King Hitler & KevinH manipulating your simple minds



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MVP(Mod’s Choice)= Master Samus; I think Master Samus played amazingly for a guy who claims it was his second only mafia game. He never led the town on him and that’s why he deserves this award. He was impressive in manipulating the town that led to the ultimate mafia victory.
 
Player of Mafia; Master Samus/emudevelopment (shared); I think both were instrumental in the town’s defeat. Both were manipulative and deceptive. They clearly came out as pro-town and looked like de-facto town leaders. They led the lynch wagon w/o anyone uncovering their true motives.

Samus, you should be proud that you've helped make an environment where people feel safe enough to share their experiences.


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If Myrrdin can't play, who will be his replacement?

Also Samus is alive D2, what type of sorcery is this? Hagrid gave his life to protect him.

+1 King Hitler
 

Why would the scum target CoD?

At least Samus didn't buy it in night 1. Felt bad for him last game. :)

+1 Finster
 

Welcome to Day 2, Samus!
 
Vote: Mazuurek
 
His post count is 1 for the whole game.
 
Townie points to Sister Midnight for the good humor!

+1 KevinH
 

If Samus aurvives till day 2, he must then be scum.
 
I vote Samus

Since editing is taboo, I must say that the above fact seems to be by unspoken tradition ;)

well, nevermind, it merged the posts.

+2 legoboy - this is outright scum behaviour imo. What type of justification? lol
 

King Hitler - awarded Townie of the Year by IRON Times 3 years running.
Finster Baby - I'm leaning towards townie. There isn't much information on D2 and Finister seems to be trying to at least find something
Myrrdin Emrys - I'd like to wait to see the verdict on if he's replaced or not before we get some judgement here.
iSocialism - seems more active than past games. Might be a new play style. I doubt he'd get more active as scum as his usual Turtley strategy seems to do good for him.
legoboyvdlp - about mid way here. New player so mistakes are expected but at the beginning he got really defensive when SM joke voted for him. Keep an eye on this.
Lyner - can't really make a judgement yet.
KevinH - obvious scum for stealing my name. On a real note, kind of half and half. Doesn't seem to post anything with weight, just sort of floats around in my opinion. May be trying to avoid suspicion, but I haven't played with him enough to know if it's his playstyle or not.
Wolfpacks - new player if im correct (I've never played with him.) Hasn't made too many mistakes which is coming off kind of surprising.
Samus - Alive d2? Obvious scum.
Ali bin Turban - seems to be trying to help town
Sister Midnight - has just quoted HP in my opinion. Also was on the no lynch vote (one of the 5 is possibly scum, and yes I'm on the wagon too.) I feel SM is coming off the most scum-like out of the new players.
Rafay - playing like Rafay does, not much to go off of.
Rhizoctonia - I think his unfamiliarity with HP references is making him somewhat back off from being super active like usual. Townie feel with what little he's posted so far.
Mazuurek - can't really make an opinion on him yet.

Vote: Sister Midnight
Reasons above. Like I stated, scum team probably has a new player on it. SM just attracts me the most at the current time as a possible scum.

+2 King Hitler (mentioning me surviving n1 again)
 
Also 'hidden defense' of his scum buddy KevinH. Goes to claim he is scum in jest and then turns it around with 'uncertainty', easy mind trick there.
 
Also 'hidden defense' of his other buddy Finsterbaby. He's leaning towards him being townie because on D2 there's not much info available. Doesn't use the same arguement for anyone else, but the same argument applies to everyone else. You make this too easy.
 
Another low suspect here is ABT & Rhizo as he does the same thing, but they are very low/neutral on my radar so far.
 

@ABT, KH -- indeed, this is no joke. 
It seems by tradition that Samus is ALWAYS killed on day 1 if he joins in as town, so if he survived, he must be scum. 
 
Of course, I am new, but on the other hand, I have seem several references to this tradition, and it makes sense.

+3 again with the 'samus is still alive' scum tactic.
 

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Hi Preston

 
And good evening to you as well Finster. 
 
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So a bit of activity today, good - seems to be following four main threads.
 
1. KevinH's List - another analysis list, and I'm a little amused he gave me the same rating as himself. Gryffindor indeed?  :) It doesn't stop me from watching him of course, but more notably he lays out a list of his current suspects: Lego, Samus, iSoc, Lyner, Rafay, mazuurek.
 
Kevin also accurately noted that I am riding on Myrrdin's legacy. He was an active poster apparently and not trying to hide, though skimming day 1 I can't get into his head on some bits either, particularly his unvoting prior to the day's end. He had voted for CoD before the day ended, along with Lego - and CoD was killed on night 1. Speculation, but I wonder if that kill was intended to shift suspicion onto Lego and Myrrdin as the two who had votes there?
 
2. iSoc and Ali arguing about iSoc's earlier statement regarding scum on the no-lynch vote. Either they're good at acting, or Ali is just that argumentative, or these two don't like each other and aren't on the same team. It's drawing a lot of attention to the pair of them, and feels like Ali doesn't want to let iSoc go.
 
3. Lego tossed a FoS on KevinH with minimal explanation, after previously focusing on Samus?
 
4. Votes/FoS being directed at Rafay and Mazuurek, the current minimums in vote count (if you exclude myself due to late joining or add in Myrrdin's posts to my count). 
 
Before going further, I decided to do a post count only since Day 2 started, to see how that looked without the spamminess of Day 1:
 
Ali bin Turban 7
Finster Baby 8
iSocialism 6
KevinH 9
King Hitler 6
legoboyvdlp 3
Lyner 1
Preston 2 (counting this one)
Rhizoctonia 2
Sister Midnight 6
Wolfpacks 3
Samus 0
Rafay 0
Mazuurek 0
 
So the subject of lurkers vs low post count vs inactives... the easy targets that can't (or are not) defend themselves. I'm always a little leery when this line of attack is used, because similar to the day 1 no lynch it is a "blameless" targeting - one where if the vote happens and a townie is lynched, everyone on that wagon can say it was sheer numbers and how can you question the statistics? My personal thought is that if someone is REALLY scum, then they have a power role of their own and that makes the game more exciting - i.e. scum are less likely to be truly inactive barring outside life issues, so lynching inactives is better-than-even odds to kill town instead of scum. If they're really dead weight we can try to get another replacement for future days. 
 
With that said, I also want to distinguish between "Lurker" and "inactive" - the first is scummier than the second. Both Mazurrek and Rafay (and Samus, and Lyner until today) have not posted on day 2, but have they been observed to be reading this thread without posting, by ANYONE? If so, then yes there is more info that they are lurking and it's on the word of the one who says they saw them reading without posting. 
 
The other question is when they last did anything else on the forums - to proactively answer this part myself, Rafay's last post in the forums was on June 17th; Mazuurek's was yesterday, June 27th; Lyner's only day 2 post was to say he's having a hard week (explanation for inactivity), today June 28th; Samus has been active elsewhere on the forums, last post today June 28th. 
 
So with all that said - unless someone can specify they have seen someone actively reading this thread (list on the bottom) but not posting, Samus and Mazuurek both hit the "active on forums but not posting here" criteria moreso than Rafay and Lyner. So are they lurking, or just not paying attention here - do they NOT have a role so they are bored with the game and less attentive, or are they trying not to make waves? Some pressure might help - and to spread out the votes so a wagon doesn't form, I am going to vote for the other active-but-not-here-and-no-day2-posts player.
 
Vote: Samus
 
Come rejoin the conversation to remove your inactivity/lurking and I'll remove the vote. 
 
As a relevant side question, would those who have played with him more recently consider Samus enough of a veteran that he would have been a better N1 target than CoD? Ignoring what seems to be a running joke about him, anyway...
 
-Preston

Preston's analysis here looks really genuine, so I believe you to be townie. You raise some good points, but you're voting for the wrong person.
 

Samus should be coming around. I don't believe there is a need to vote for him to make him show up. My main concern is for the people who were post happy on d1, and now won't even post. D2 is hard to analyze, and I know that not much talking can be done.  So my list goes like this, using TW post count
 
Wolfpacks 19 fluff posting, and voting out of the blue
Finster Baby 19 Helpful
Sister Midnight 19 active
Myrrdin Emrys 17- MIA
KevinH 16 Helpful
Ali bin Turban 16 - " argumentative"
King Hitler 14 Helpful
legoboyvdlp 10 active enough for a newbie
Samus 9 needs to become active
iSocialism 7 - myself
Rhizoctonia 6 active enough
Lyner 6 excued
Chaplain of death 5 DEAD
Rafay 2 - inactive
Preston 1 - Helpful
Mazuurek 1 - MIAish
 
Vote Wolfpack
also was in the NL wagon.
 
I will say though, I think that there is probably 4 scums all together, and with my thinking of around 1 in the NL wagon that would be a 1-5 chance of hitting scum. Outside the wagon would leave us 3 scums or a 3-9 chance of hitting scum. I came to this conclusion mostly by a gut feeling, back had a little "evidence" to back it up.
 
I will be leaving this afternoon and won't be back until the 4th.

The post count analysis by iSoc shows alot of info here, Wolfpacks active on D1, then ghost D2? Suspected scum here or maybe more the SK. An SK can't collaborate with any partners, so imo they are most likely the ones who are going to try and confuse everyone with their replies and activity.
 
Now that I mention that, Preston's seems more SK'ish. He hasn't really shown any form of collaboration with anyone, which means possibly working alone.
 

my head it swims with noises and voices, I can't understand the words that's being used it swirls and swirls like the dust and sand of the desert, what does deflection really mean, who is deflecting from what or whom, no wait it is starting to clear I can make out a letter, no wait I now see a name can it be true, it couldn't be over and over again the name appears. That's it I see it now.

Wow Fluff means randomness who knew

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Vote Finster

This is scummy, Finster voted for you, so you revenge vote with no basis?
 
Evident scum here.
 
So guys if I don't survive this night, here is my analysis.
 
There are 3 or 4 scum members. 1 SK.
 
High on my scum list are (in order):
 
legoboyvdlp
King Hitler
Wolfpacks
KevinH
 
Even though I think legoboy is more scum than King Hitler, i'm keeping my vote for King Hitler because he's more experienced with his words in this game.
 
But legoboy I see right through you.
 
I wasn't going to play this game after I decided I was quitting from this game permanently, but I had a plan on how I could change things and it's something I was going to test out now, which the scum above have all proven to me.
 
Also guys my rationale behind the people above being scum are the ones that are mentioning me surviving N1 is that if you think about it, they obviously knew they weren't going to kill me on N1 (as they did the killing). They can use this fact to their ability to sway votes in their favour, the first thing majority of those scum mentioned (above) on DAY 2 was that I was still alive and because of that I must be scum - this is 'new' information in a way, because it's now a discussion that can be started. Also my inactivity didn't really help.
 
Also note how many people mentioned 'Samus survived night 1 bla bla', go back and ready, guarantee you not anymore than 4 players? those numbers sound abit familiar.. How many scum might there be hmm?? I'll let you think about that.
 
Also I wouldn't be coming in here to defend myself on the last day if I were scum lol, surely my scum partners would be doing that for me or would have prodded me to get in here and do that much earlier.
 
I'll go over the thread again and pick out some other things I notice shortly.
 
Convince town to lynch Samus, then kill another townie at night. gg
 
anyway my vote still remains on King Hitler

Convince town to lynch Samus, then kill another townie at night. gg


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Only I have the baptismal power.

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MVP(Mod’s Choice)= Master Samus; I think Master Samus played amazingly for a guy who claims it was his second only mafia game. He never led the town on him and that’s why he deserves this award. He was impressive in manipulating the town that led to the ultimate mafia victory.
 
Player of Mafia; Master Samus/emudevelopment (shared); I think both were instrumental in the town’s defeat. Both were manipulative and deceptive. They clearly came out as pro-town and looked like de-facto town leaders. They led the lynch wagon w/o anyone uncovering their true motives.

Samus, you should be proud that you've helped make an environment where people feel safe enough to share their experiences.


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TW must know we'd all feel this way, which makes it more likely that he'd make Samus  scum. 

Just to be clear: All roles were assigned completely randomly. Every person in the game had the same chance of being scum as anyone else.

 

Well then I have to rethink my entire rationale.  I was thinking there was definitely a newbie scum, but if it is randomly assigned then I am a little out of sorts.

 

My rationale for voting for Samus is also damaged by this and now he has posted a very interesting, possibly valid defense.  Meanwhile, Rafay still refuses to post, which is very scummy.  On the other hand, what are the odds that Rafay would be scum a third time if role assignment is random?  Well I guess every time you flip a coin it is 50/50 odds of heads even if you got 100 heads in a row.

 

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Realistically I don't think Rafay is scum and we shouldn't be voting on him for just because he is inactive.

 

Look: 

 

http://ironcentral.org/community/user/2767-rafay/

 

Last seen on 29th of June.

 

http://ironcentral.org/community/user/2767-rafay/?tab=posts

 

His last post on these forums was in this thread on the 17th of June. 2 WEEKS AGO.

 

Rafay is simply inactive, he's more townie than me!

 

Rafay (4): King Hitler, Finster Baby, KevinH, Lyner
 

 

Also look at this lineup.

 

OMG EVERYONE I SUSPECTED TO BE SCUM ARE VOTING FOR RAFAY.

 

Easy kill cause he's inactive, come on y'all need to open your eyes. The scum are right infront of your eyes.



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00:48 Fernando[IRON] � I will refer to you as Supreme Overlord Guru Samus

Only I have the baptismal power.

Samus because of your dedicated service to IRON; your high casualty count and aid given your fellow IRONers. I hear by baptize ye in Fire and blood. You rise as IRON!

You may now wear proudly in your Sig "I have been Baptized in Fire and Blood and emerged as IRON."

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MVP(Mod’s Choice)= Master Samus; I think Master Samus played amazingly for a guy who claims it was his second only mafia game. He never led the town on him and that’s why he deserves this award. He was impressive in manipulating the town that led to the ultimate mafia victory.
 
Player of Mafia; Master Samus/emudevelopment (shared); I think both were instrumental in the town’s defeat. Both were manipulative and deceptive. They clearly came out as pro-town and looked like de-facto town leaders. They led the lynch wagon w/o anyone uncovering their true motives.

Samus, you should be proud that you've helped make an environment where people feel safe enough to share their experiences.


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Players who haven't actively contributed to the aid of the town are most likely to be scum. legoboy goes high on this list as his only rationale for voting is because I survived N1 lmao
 
 
 

Samus (4): legoboyvdlp, Preston, Rhizoctonia, Sister Midnight

Rafay (4): King Hitler, Finster Baby, KevinH, Lyner

 
 
But with some real rationale, do you honestly think voting for inactives is beneficial to the town? It means we lose 2 towns a night, one to lynch & one to mafia.

Voting for inactives, helps the mafia, it does not help the town.

 

I wrote more, but it deleted but that's the basic of it



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00:48 Fernando[IRON] � I will refer to you as Supreme Overlord Guru Samus

Only I have the baptismal power.

Samus because of your dedicated service to IRON; your high casualty count and aid given your fellow IRONers. I hear by baptize ye in Fire and blood. You rise as IRON!

You may now wear proudly in your Sig "I have been Baptized in Fire and Blood and emerged as IRON."

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MVP(Mod’s Choice)= Master Samus; I think Master Samus played amazingly for a guy who claims it was his second only mafia game. He never led the town on him and that’s why he deserves this award. He was impressive in manipulating the town that led to the ultimate mafia victory.
 
Player of Mafia; Master Samus/emudevelopment (shared); I think both were instrumental in the town’s defeat. Both were manipulative and deceptive. They clearly came out as pro-town and looked like de-facto town leaders. They led the lynch wagon w/o anyone uncovering their true motives.

Samus, you should be proud that you've helped make an environment where people feel safe enough to share their experiences.


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Players who haven't actively contributed to the aid of the town are most likely to be scum. legoboy goes high on this list as his only rationale for voting is because I survived N1 lmao
 
 

Samus (4): legoboyvdlp, Preston, Rhizoctonia, Sister Midnight

Rafay (4): King Hitler, Finster Baby, KevinH, Lyner

 
 
But with some real rationale, do you honestly think voting for inactives is beneficial to the town? It means we lose 2 towns a night, one to lynch & one to mafia.

Voting for inactives, helps the mafia, it does not help the town.
 
I wrote more, but it deleted but that's the basic of it

Samus:

You mistake my own analysis as scum-like. Nothing can be further from the truth. Rafay's playing like he has the last several games.

I get your point about voting out inactives only helps the scum, and I tend to agree with you. That said, Rafay, if he's town, should be attempting to help us derive who the scum are.

I'm sort of at a loss as to who to vote for at this point. Wolfpacks still ranks very high on my scum list. Yet when I played scum with Rafay, he was very much paying attention and watching what was going on.

AbT's and your analysis (you both are MUCH better at this than I am) are holding considerable sway. After saying Rafay was the best choice now, you've gotten me doubting again.

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I wouldn't exactly rule out Rafay as scum because of his inactivity, it is random after all. I will say I didn't notice he hasn't even posted in 2 weeks, but more reason to lynch. He hasn't been able to request a replacement, he holds us down in my view. Later on, if we get to the point where his vote would be crucial and he's still alive, we're hurting ourselves.

As far as the mentioning you alive D2, I don't feel that indicates any scum behavior. I won't defend anyone else on that lineup, they're their own people. They can do that themselves. As far as me, there weren't any serious posts to go off of to judge you. I never tried to defend KevinH in my assessments, in fact. I was implying that I'd watch him. His posts imo have no weight, nothing really contributing to actively helping. At least at that point, I was suspicious and basically saying I'd watch his behavior. Finister does seem townie to me, as does Preston.

I do get the feeling you are town, you seem to be actively trying to find the scum. I feel you're misled on your assumptions, but those comments about you being alive were in a fun spirit. Now that you've actually posted, we can get more serious.

As far as SM switching to Rafay, I believe that's a good move. I stand by my point Rafay would hold us back later on if he's town, and with no information to go off of, we run the same odds of lynching anyone and they turn up scum. If we are able to get a replacement, I'll take my vote off and I'd hope others would as well to prevent a possible mislynch.

As far as the SK debate, I think we should keep in the back of our minds the possibility but not dabble too much further than we already have on it. There isn't any evidence of a SK and it pulls our attention away from hunting the scum.

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Well, I got those 'Lyner is always scums' too, so I can relate the feelings :P 

 

 

 

 

I understand your points, but the problem at hand, Samus, is what is the alternative? The way I see this we can only end today by lynching either you, Wolfpack, or Rafay, or we can go no-lynch.

 

No-Lynching at this point of the day is terribad. So I'm left with 3 choices:

-Wolfpack, posting fluffs, not really contributing, I gave him a newbie pass today, moreso because he is active

-Samus, was active on day 1, disappeared on day 2. Generally post analysis on past games

-Rafay, not helping at all, only post when being called on day 1, always lurk on past games.

 

The conclusion is pretty obvious.



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That said, Rafay, if he's town, should be attempting to help us derive who the scum are.

Not if he's inactive entirely :)

 

He hasn't posted anywhere on the forums at all.

 

This should really be the mods job to replace people who are inactive in the thread.

 

I will say I didn't notice he hasn't even posted in 2 weeks, but more reason to lynch.
 

Hi scum,

 

Sectumsempra!

 

I'd rather have mod replace him than him being lynch, a no lynch is better than a lynch on an inactive imo

 

 

Also although King Hitler has responded in kind, you're still not off the hook for me, what is really funny is how no one who has replied thus far has addressed legoboy and his activity in this thread, to me he is a confirmed scum and it shows so much because (as he stated) he is a newb at this game :P



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00:48 Fernando[IRON] � I will refer to you as Supreme Overlord Guru Samus

Only I have the baptismal power.

Samus because of your dedicated service to IRON; your high casualty count and aid given your fellow IRONers. I hear by baptize ye in Fire and blood. You rise as IRON!

You may now wear proudly in your Sig "I have been Baptized in Fire and Blood and emerged as IRON."

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MVP(Mod’s Choice)= Master Samus; I think Master Samus played amazingly for a guy who claims it was his second only mafia game. He never led the town on him and that’s why he deserves this award. He was impressive in manipulating the town that led to the ultimate mafia victory.
 
Player of Mafia; Master Samus/emudevelopment (shared); I think both were instrumental in the town’s defeat. Both were manipulative and deceptive. They clearly came out as pro-town and looked like de-facto town leaders. They led the lynch wagon w/o anyone uncovering their true motives.

Samus, you should be proud that you've helped make an environment where people feel safe enough to share their experiences.


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Vote Count

 

Rafay (5): King Hitler, Finster Baby, KevinH, Lyner, Sister Midnight

Samus (3): legoboyvdlp, Preston, Rhizoctonia

Wolfpacks (2): iSocialism, Ali bin Turban

KevinH (1): Wolfpacks

King Hitler (1): Samus

Ali bin Turban (0):

Finster Baby (0):

iSocialism (0):

legoboyvdlp (0):

Lyner (0):

Mazuurek (0):

Preston (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

Sister Midnight (0):

 

No Lynch (0):

Not voting: Mazuurek, Rafay

 

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