Imran Ehsan

Well there doesnt seem to be much to go on, except taking leaps of faith. Easiest way forward for scum is to vote first but he will want to hold back and try to see if a townie votes for the hammerable townie. Wellll.....I know I am town, which leaves LS or Zacch to be scum. The game is not gonna go anywhere unless someone votes. If the vote is on hammer-able townie then game is over, otherwise we will have more to talk about.... So lets get on with it: 50:50 chance Vote: Zacch

With the setup, the game should only proceed when all 3 players have checked in. So lets wait for Zacch.

Checking in. Interesting setup! So if I read it correctly the scum cannot hammer one of the 2 townies, whose name has been shared with him privately by the Mod. If that is the case he will be biased towards the lynching on only one specific townie because that is the only way he can win.

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Well lets get this over with. Vote: Zacch

Ok went through the thread. Heres my thoughts: 1. Nothing much to go on in terms of posts, people hardly posted. 2. So I looked at the actions, i.e. who was picked to be killed by the scum. 3. Also looked at the voting patterns. No lynch on D1 -> Nothing much here. N1 -> LS is outed as scum by captjf D2 -> Zacch immediately votes for him followed by iSoc and LS self hammers. Capt is inactive through the day. N2 -> capt is killed What I found interesting here is why capt was chosen for the kill. He was inactive during the day and hardly posted on D1. He doesnt seem to have posted anything that indicated he may be the cop apart from observing that no lynch is the best option for D1. So assuming the remaining scum is iSoc it would stand to reason he will more likely kill Zacch who had been active throughout the day. Continuing with that thought, is that early quick Zacch vote on LS on D2, as if he wants to definitely be on the lynch wagon of the scum. Instead of holding back on the vote to see how others react (in trying to id the scum), it was quick vote for him. Of coursa balanced with that is iSocs second vote which allowed the self hammer. So if I was Zacch and scum, my thinking on who to kill on N2 will be as follows: (i) not NE, he is inactive (ii) either cap or isoc. Cap was inactive but with iSocs second vote which allowed the hammer, he will look more sus on D3 than cap. So target to kill on N2 will be cap from Zacchs POV and Zacch from iSocs POV. I am leaning towards Zacch to be the remaining scum.

Checking in. I will confirm NE was indeed inactive and was a VT. So it comes down to either zacch or isoc as the remaining scum. I will go through the earlier posts and post my views/vote. In the meantime you guys can continue your points on why you are not scum if you want. Kevin a 1 day extension will be nice, if I have any questions or so. OK nvm, just saw Kevin has extended the deadline already. So it's fine.

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pfftt...I again convinced you to not vote for me...lol We guessed this would happen. We figured out captain is most likely the cop from Day 2 and would try to investigate Zacch.

The No lynch scenario turned out bad because the scum got lucky and killed the cop. If the cop was alive on D3, that would have meant he could have claimed today and at worst identified 2 towns and at best identified one scum. If he had 2 town results from N1 and N2, that would mean today we would have one confirmed cop and 2 possible townies (with one maybe a godfather in masquerade). That would have left 2 unconfirmed with 50% chance of one being scum. If he had identified 1 scum, that would be the clear lynch for today and we would be up 3 town vs 1 scum with the remaining scum being the godafther. At that point the use of the cop would have ended. So the logic of no lynching on D2 was sound. The scum had 1 out 4 chance of hitting the cop and unluckily they did. Its very easy to say on hindsigth how that was a bad decision of no lynching, while of the same hand if we mislynched on D2, that scenario may also not have been a good one. I am not sure if you are ignoring all the above logics or you are just intentionally acting dumb to justify your vote, buit time is over and you are onb my short-list for possible scum anyway. Vote: NE

Can you point to what posts make you feel this way? I already game a summary on my post on 13th, I will post here again in detail. Basically cap is the only one who knew something on D2, so instead of lynching blindly in a LYLO situation my point is to go for the lynch based on his posts on D2. 1. 1st post "Obvious? I'm not so sure, but it does give us something to talk about" -> this againt my assumption that scum may have killed LS because he and I voted for each other on D1. Not much to say here but from this post it can be said even thought he thought it unlikely, he was open to the possibility that I suggested. 2. 2nd post "While I am happy that others agree with my statements, I find it very curious that they followed me like an easy to follow bandwagon..." This in response to posts from COD and NE basically saying the same thing as what he said, that it was a stretch to assume the reason for LS kill. iSoc and Zacch posted it was more likely LS was killed because he is an actiove player. 3. 3rd post "Hold up, just another "lazy" observation, but if there is a mislynch today, doesn't mafia win?" in response to Zacch saying COD made a "lazy" assumption. Seems to be he is agreeing with Zacch here. 4. 4th post "I agree and I'm leaning that way myself, but would like to hear a bit more before putting an official vote. Actually, NE, where did Zaach point the finger at you, I can't seem to recall." Here he mentioned he is leaning towards voting for Zacch but he also asked from clarification from NE. 5. Final post "Are we going to have any more opinions or responses in the next 14 hours? Inactivity always favors scum and I don't want to see that happen." Seems like he is wighing whether to vote for Zacch or hold back. So from his posts I would say he got a town result on N1 investigation as he did not come out strongly for voting for anyone and at the end decided not to vote to lynch Zacch as well (he had 1 vote from NE on him at that point). He was suspicious of COD and NE trying to bandwagon with him (2nd post) but he said nothing regarding iSoc who was inactive apart from his 1st post. So my "assumption" is he did not investigate Zacch, COD or NE on N1, as he was suspicious of their posts. If he had investigated them and found them to be town he would not be suspicious. He was suspicious of Zacch but did not hammer him, which indicates he did not investigate Zacch on N1. He made no post about iSocs inactivity being suspicious, which might indicate he investigated him and found him to be town. He also raised the point of NE and COD trying to bandwagong with him about my post, which may indicate he invetigated me on N1 and found town and he was wary of scum trying to bandwagon on to someone whose result came up town. So my point is if he investigated me/isoc on N1 and found town, even taking into consideration of the Godfather, it is very likely that there is at least 1 scum in one of NE, Zacch or CoD if not both. This is also a possibility but I think unlikely. Even if he came up with a town result he will not be 100% confident because he may have investigated the godfather. So the other scum would not obviously rush to lynch his partner.

I am still waiting on clarification from NE regarding his vote on me. Going back to my earlier post, based on catains posts on D2, I am going to say cap investigated either me or isoc on N1 and came out with town result. With godfather in game this doesn't confirm anything but we can assume the other scum is one of NE, Cod or Zacch. I would like to hear others thoughts on this.

Apart from you no one voted to lynch on D2. Only Zach voted no lynch. COD and cap also withheld from voting and isoc disappeared. However it's interesting that you are singling me out only. No lynch votes do not inherently favor scum. Doing so now would favor scum. We had hoped to buy time for the cop to get some results to claim but the scum got lucky and killed him. iSoc has been very quiet through Day 2 and no posts yet Day 3 (though I hadn't posted today yet either until now.) It seemed oddly convenient that other than the posts at the beginning of the day where Imran attempted to paint himself as a townie which initiated an argument he disappeared until the end of the day and then dropped a "sorry Ive been busy with IRL". Entirely possible but seems a little odd. Voting early on no information helps scum immensely if you are town. If you vote a townie they can both bandwagon the vote through, which will guarantee them a win. With the gov in play I doubt the scum will try to bandwagon on in a mislynch.

With no lynch wagons to go in and no info going to be forthcoming from cop, we have no choice but to analyze caps posts on D2 and see if there are any clues there. 1. First he was concerned with the quick "bandwagon" of COD and NE with his post. 2. Next we posted he was leaning towards voting for Zacch 3. He wanted clarifcation from NE on his post that Zacch had pointed his finger at him 4. From his last post, it seemed like he would cast a vote before deadline, but at the end did not and let the day end with no lynch. It seems clear he did not find scum from his N1 investigation or he would have come out more strongly against identified scum, if not outright fingered him. It seems clear he did not investigate Zacch or he wouldnt have been leaning towards voting him. Also possible he did not investigate COD or NE as he questioned their moves. points to note: 1. NE did not reply to caps question and ignored it 2. Zacch seemed to have been on caps radar for scum but him not voting for him at end of day seems to indicate he did not have confirmation 3. isoc had only 1 post on D2 and had no more participations for the day. I think we have reached a LYLO situation now, 3 town, 2 scum. A mislynch today ends the game. But no lynching means no wagons and nothing to go on again on D4 with dead cop. So we need hit scum with lynch today.

Well, no lynching to give the cop time to find scum backfired spectacularly. I wonder if they got a lucky shot and hit the cop or if capt had left some clue in his earlier posts that gave him away.

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I am OK with a No Lynch specially with the Cop still in play. Also I am not in a mind to force a lynch now and possibly having the Governor reveal himself. sorry for the late post, RL was busy the last couple of days.

With no lynch on D1, the only thing we have to go on is voting trends and the kill on N1. LS voted only for me, though he did unvote. So i threw out a possible reason for scum targetting LS. Of course, another reason is that LS was a vocal and strong player in the last game which is why he was targetted. Both possibilities are valid in my opinion. @iSoc anything I say seems suspicious to you.

I voted LS on D1 and LS voted for me. If I had to guess I would say this is an obvious attempt by the scum to set me up as a lynch candidate.

I have always been a proponent of lynching the inactives on D1. Funny how you find that as me trying too hard. In any case, since captain has shown up. Unvote With a cop and governor in the game, blind lynches on D1 is not a good idea, provided everyone is active.