Imran Ehsan

Just noticing this now, only half majority at deadline to lynch. Something to keep in mind, in future rounds we should defacto vote no lynch to prevent scum from doing a snipe lynch if there is not already half majority at deadline. Theres still 2 days left to deadline. We should not give lurkers a free pass. They need to post to remain alive, the scum for sure wont be killing any inactives.

I was really sad to hear about this. She was an amazing person and was very friendly with anyone who interacted with her. She was the 8th President of IRON (https://cybernations.fandom.com/wiki/President_of_IRON). Although it was for a short period, previously she served for a long time as the Secretary of State of IRON, working closely with MCRABT (7th President) to set the FA strategy of the alliance.

Law of probability states that there is extremely low chance of me being scum in this game. Unvote I see that the other lurkers have checked in, except this one Vote: captainjf blame kevin, not me!

Lets poke the inactives to get some action going on here Vote: LS

yeah havent played with Governot and twilight concepts before. should be interesting!

Agreed with this part. No amount of discussion would have really changed NE's perspective specially when iSoc did not post much the earlier days and looked like a scum trying to stay under the radar. By the way, you are completely wrong when you say "I was the one who whispered into NEs ears at night" and made him vote for iSoc. In fact, NE was suspicious of you and iSoc both from earlier days, specially iSoc (he voted for him repeatedly, you can go and check). I just went along. iSoc made no case for why he was not the SK and simply left it up to NE to decide (as I did) and your posts were also contradictory on D3 coupled with your hammer. So basically you guys could not convincingly make the case that I was in fact the SK, enough to change NEs mind.

beam me up, scotty

to be fair, I strongly implied I am town even if I did not come right out and say it. Last night I was actually toying with the idea of killing you and then trying to set up iSoc for the lynch, "I mean why would I kill my own neighbor...I am being set up!". But LS was too against me and probably wouldnt have agreed with me, plus I had no way of knowing what they discussed in the night. So the safest bet was to bank on you to put the hammer on iSoc since you already suspected him.

Hey NE, you will never be allowed to take off your newly minted clown makeup. I can't begin to describe how utterly stupid you are. That is all. calm down, you made the first mistake by lynching captain when you had the option of going no lynch. I mean you fought with me for pages on how we should not lynch cap but you still hammered him at the end...lol Wow, you do leave out other scenarios. So if NE is not the SK... that leaves... Vote Irman also it is careless and scummy to come into the a LYLO day with a vote right away... now it's up to NE it was pretty scummy yeah...lol but I was tired of arguing..LS drained me off at the end of last day. plus NE was pretty inclined to lynch you anyway, so I just left it up to him to decide.

from my night conversations with NE, I very much doubt NE is the SK. So that leaves iSoc to be the most likely SK. With LS turning up town that also reinforces this possibility. Vote: iSocialism

That doesn't sound to me like "guaranteeing" the odd-night would kill the even-night. But what does sound reasonable is trying to find any possible way to spin the fact that your entire strategy for today was split open and now you are in bind to figure out how to get rid of the other SK without then being your own easy lynch target. In fact, I probably could predict what your entire plan was: Today get the captain lynch who would likely pop even-night (before you try to again quote "cherry-picking," I've covered this is a likelihood, not a fact), and overnight you kill me while holding NE's ear. Tomorrow you use his suspicions of a quiet/inactive iSoc to seal lynch. Game over. iSoc could very well be an SK, and I even said in our neighbor thread last night that if he was then well played. But, if you are trying to insinuate I'm an SK myself, then put your money where your mouth is; because if you were town you wouldn't be trying to deflect my points as cherry-picking or irrelevant. Its very possible you areban sk or isoc is or NE is. The only things I am certain of is that i am town and that there is a 67% chance that cap is an sk. And I am pretty confident lynching the sk today and going into N3 us the best available option, regardless of how many scenarios and options you pull out. Vote captainjf

This was your first post on D2, followed up with the beginning of your second post. I said that barring us having a solid target for odd-night SK, the best choice was a no-lynch. But given all of today, I think there is a solid target. I think what you said above is exactly what happened. I think you killed Zacch thinking he was the other SK, and now here we are with you ignoring that very outcome because you don't want the town to force you to waste your kill tonight. If you read my no-lynch scenario completely you would've understood that was the point of it. The odd-SK would have to make the move on captain to try and knock out the potential even-SK. But that doesn't benefit you because then you'd potentially have to face a 3 strong town alone, with no kill that next night. Vote: Imran Ehsan You are again cherry-picking your scenarios. Why would the odd night SK kill the even night SK? He will be the obvious lynch target for D4. But of course you dont want to lynch him, because if he turns up town your whole scenario turns upside down. because that will mean captain-Zacch are the townie pairs and one of you and ISoc is an SK.

I dont see what you find so strange in me wanting to go into N3 with 3 town and 1 SK (if captain is the even night SK). With odd nght SK making a kill, it will still be 2 town vs 1 SK on D4 with the townies winning outright with lynching the remaining SK. There is also the added benefit of confirming that captain was infact the even night SK. Having played quite a number of these games here I know nothing can be taken for 100% guarantee until there is confirmation from a proven investigative townie or a lynch of scum. It is quiet possible that the even night SK forgot to send in his action within deadline even though he was active in night talks. I want to to be sure going into d4 that we are in fact 100% sure that there is only 1 sk left. On the other hand, you seem to be cherry-picking scenarios which support your point of view and stating others as suspicious. Lets say you lynch me today, then we go into N3 with 2 towns and 2 SKs. The odd SK kills one town and we start D4 with 2 SKs and 1 town. From here the town's only scenario of winning is hoping that there is a no lynch on D4 AND the SKs kill each other at night. I dont see how this is a better scenario than us lynching a SK today. Next lets consider a no lynch scenario today. Then we go into N3 with 3 town and 2 SKs. The odd-sk kills a town and we start D4 with 2 SKs and 2 towns. Now lets say town now lynches a SK and so in N4 its 2 town and 1 sk. Since theres 3 left now the SK can now kill regardless of odd or even night. So next day its 1 town and 1 SK and SK wins since town cant lynch. I dont see how this is a better scenario than us lynching a SK today. It seems to me like you are pushing for the No lynch scenario I described above. FOS: LS

I would rarher lynch captain and get confirmation that he is not one of the townie pairs. You seem to be working on the assumption that captain is confirmed SK and you and isoc are confirmed townies, which I am not really sure about.

I am a bit lost with your scenario. I assume you mean night 4? The game will be over in d4 if there is a mislynch today (d3) and odd sk kills a townie in N3. D4 there will 2 sks and 1 town, so whiever the town votes for the sk will hammer, lynching the 2nd sk. That leaves 1 town and 1 sk going into n4, where town has no defence and sk kills to win.

I agree there is a good chance of this. However, I would be open to voting elsewhere as the immediate threat tonight is the odd-night SK. If captain is the even-night, then he is harmless to the town tonight. This would truly have to be a wild strategy for one of the SKs to employ. It would be based on the assumption that both neighbor pairs spoke with one another to even leave open the possibility of claiming the neighborless one was inactive. Unfortunately for you captain I just don't see that as a viable thing. There is also the slight problem that I am confident from late yesterday that iSoc and I are the townie pair. Obviously while this can't be proven I still could not imagine a world where he would've benefited as SK from revealing me as his neighbor when he was ready to be hammered. Either way, my point is that while captain is worthy of suspicion and a very reasonable lynch target, we should spend today more focused on the immediate threat to tonight in the odd-night SK. While I am ok with spending time to discuss other possibilities, I think captain should still be the lynch for today. We need confirmation whether we really got the sk or he was the townie pair. Secondly if we mislynch today, game is over for town. 2 town left with mislynch, 1 killed in the night and it will be 1 town vs 2 sks.

Like I posted above I see no advantage to SK in not killing anyone. I think we can be fairly certain that he either forgot to send in his action or was inactive. Even leaving aside the no kill issue, you are still the best lynch target for town as thete is a 67% chance you are one of the SKs (3 groups, 2 with sk partnering town).

I am going to vote for captainjf today. Holding back for now to prevent fast hammers. There is a high probability he is a SK, and if not, lynching him also informs us that the townie pair has been eliminated. I will wait for NE to confirm me as neighbor first and also wait to see if captain has anything to say. FOS: captainjf

I also didnt expect no night kills. Seems like the even night SK went inactive or forgot about the game. The SKs get no benefit in not killing off town or hit the other SK. (ooc)I am also guilty of going inactive towards the last 2-3 days of D2, plus the forum kept logging me off so whenever I tried to post it logged me out. I finally resolved the issue by clearing the cache of my browser (/ooc) So I dont mind that I was the target for lynch on D2, I probably would have gone for the inactive also. Even if SK killed in the night and it was 2-2, it was not guaranteed the SKs would win as I am pretty sure the SKs are not a team and working alone. So one could kill the other giving town the edge again. And I agree that there is no point in hiding who the neighbors are. I am neighbors with NE. I have no reason to doubt that LS and ISoc are neighbors (there is at least 1 town in every neighbor group and the tow has no reason to lie about that). So that means the neigbor groups are: Imran- NE LS- iSoc Zacch - Captain We know Zacch is town, which means there is a very high probability that captain is an SK. I also discussed regarding this with NE in the night talk, so I know he wast inactive.

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There are 2 SKs in this game and they are not working as a team. I think the strategy that the odd night SK used was trying to take out the even-night SK, because the even-night SK comes into play this night and he may be the target. So it is possible the odd night SK saw something in Zacchs posts that made him think he was the other SK. Because otherwise, I dont see why SK will kill Zacch unless he was trying to frame someone for the lynch. I think this is in everyones minds. I would say this will become more vital after 1-2 more people have been killed/lynched, because then we can start pairing up people and zero in who the SK partners of killed townies are. Good to see you have shown up. Want to elaborate on your thoughts?

Seems like the odd night SK made his move. Interesting choice in taking out Zacch. He didn't really look townie with his late D1 vote switch.

Yeah pretty contradictory. Care to explain your change of heart?

ISocialism yet to show up Vote: Isocialism