Imran Ehsan

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Posted this on discord, but posting here again regarding why we killed who we did N1: We killed iSoc on N1 bc he sucks. OK actually he was not likely to be watched, and he is hard to convince to get on mislynch wagons. N2: We killed TM on n2 bc we didn't want to kill anyone not on the Kevin wagon as all of us were off it. Also we knew Robert will be under fire on D3 so we gave him the defense "why will I kill someone who I was voting for". I actually used that to defend him later when he had 3 votes on him. We also knew velocity = watcher/vision before he claimed. I found a breadcrumb he left in D1 about he will be watching or something like that. So we pushed for his lynch which resulted in him actually claiming. N3: Jazz outing the cop later was a bonus, but bc of velocity no one protected him. But wouldn't have helped anyway, we used strong man to kill him. N4: We were pretty sure MK is the Vig when iSoc 2.0 turned up vanilla. We blocked him and killed Zacch. At that point we were pretty convinced brewers = Thanos, so we thought Thanos will not want Velocity saved (to get at stones) and it was obvious Zacch will guard Velocity. So we killed Zacch, the least likely to be protected by brewers/doc and blocked MK to prevent the Vig killing one of us. If brewers protected Zacch we would have been screwed bc we were killing on the assumption brewers is Thanos. Otherwise, we were planning to block and kill MK (the next least likely to be protected by doc). Jazz outing the Cop was both good and bad. We found the cop to kill but the chain role claim starting from Velocity -> jazz -> lww left us with two many confirmed townies and TW did not give us any safe claims. But it worked out fine later.

Discord did really help. We swtched our strategies several times during the day based on how the game was going on. But it is to be noted it also depends on the players, luckily we had 4 active players who checked discord regularly. Also me and Preston were really throwing out a lot of theories and strategies before deciding on which way to go. Inactive players probably wouldnt have been able to take advantage of Discord day talk.

gg had fun. It was really fun strategising with Preston Lyner and robert on discord.

Nation doesnt exist.

You do know that you were 1 vote from being lynched right? I could have hammered you when even Zacch was calling for it. What it actually looks like is you jumping back in when you were about to be lynched and starting a wagon just to save yourself. I am not surprised you chose whoever brewers was voting for. I would say we have found one of brewer's scum partners. Unvote Vote: iSocialism By the way found this digging through old posts. This was from today. Contradiction much?

Pretty sure I clarified in my post on where I got the 50% from. Either he is inactive town or scum acting inactive. 50-50 chance, given he had not posted much on earlier days which would point to scum/townie behavior. Its a coin toss. However, his role claim now is kinda suspicious, not to mention him throwing some indirect support towards brewers' way. Claiming vanilla is classic scum fake role claim. But he may have some role that he doesnt want to reveal right now as well, we know scum probably has role blocker in their team.

There is at most a 50% chance that iSoc is scum. Either he is a townie who is inactive or scum who is acting inactive. He has been so inactive throughout the game that there is pretty much nothing that indicates scum behavior apart from some post he made regarding lww. While 50% odds may be good to lynch on d2 or even d3, it certainly is nowhere close to ideal on d4 with all scum remaining. Brewers aka Thanos the scum boss/SK should be our lynch today. Its disappointing people are taking the seemingly safe option of lynching an inactive, but well the coin flip may fall in our favor as well. I will take consolation in the fact that if Thanos is SK he will hesitate to use his night kill ability today with the spotlight partly on him.

This is actually a very god point. If Thanos/brewers is SK, he can make good use of cop ability. Scum will have no use for it. Lets go through my theory again to see if Thanos/brewers = SK fits. 1. N1 - no action, did not have Doc ability. Either because he had no (new) stones and hence no ability, OR Thanos had 2 stones from begining and one of them may have been odd/even night kill ability. But he knew DF is tracking him on N1 so he sat still. 2. N2 - received doc ability from Dr. Strange. Claimed to have protected DF. Probably a false claim with no way to prove it. More likely he protected someone else with the hope that DF will track him and see him visit someone who did not die. After DF's reveal he knew DF didnt track him. So he claimed to have protected DF with the claim he did so to trap scum into hitting DF. This claim probably was done to counter my statement where I said townie will not be harping about DF being 99.99% town and put DF directly in the cross hairs of scum. 3. N3 - Claimed to have protected Velocity. Which makes no sense whatsoever when there is a confirmed Cop out there. This fits because he doesnt want the Cop to survive, who can probably ID him as "Not Guilty". So Thanos/brewers = SK fits as well. This will mean SK + 2/3 scum in the game. sorry in #3, I meant to say the Cop could probably ID him as "Guilty"

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Interesting claim by brewers. Wanda as Universal Backup. It neatly ties in the night actions. N1 no action. N2 he protected DF. N3 he protected Velocity. He has claimed all these after he knew exactly who the Watcher and Tracker targetted on N2 and N3. If he claimed backup-doc before DF revealed who he had tracked on N2 and N3, I would immediately remove my vote from him. He has now claimed only after DF has revealed his actions, making it extremely safe for him to do so. He protected Velocity over lww on N3? This is completely unbeleivable from an experienced player. Zacch protecting Velocity makes sense because he is new to the game. But a veteran player leaving the cop open to a kill on the basis that he "thought" Zacch will protect lww? He talks about how he missed making a post telling Zacch to protect lww. So? You miss telling Zacch and do not adjust your target?? You leave the cop open to be killed (which is exactly what happened) instead of using your power for basically what it was meant for - to save the confirmed town cop? (jazz role claim confirmed lww is the actual cop). I call BS. Preston has bought up some really good points - including one where he pointed out Wanda as universal backup doesnt fit. Let us look at this: Vision -> Watcher, Captain America -> Bodyguard, Black Widow -> Voyeur, JOAT - Iron Man. They all fit thematically, i.e. power roles close to marvel universe powers. Then we have Thor -> Role Cop and Star-Lord -> Cop. Not directly matches but Thor and Star-Lord may be OK with investigative roles. Now we look at what else matches thematically. What does a Universal Backup do? He basically gets the powers of the first power role townie that gets killed. We can say he absorbs the power. We go to the movies, which is one character in the Infinity War movie who gets powers from others? Thanos. He kills the avengers with stones, takes their stones and gets the stone abilities -> match that will the game and it means he gets their power roles. TW has been specifically been stating that Thanos is getting stones. So Thanos is a central player in this game, he is getting stones and probably getting powers. This exactly matches with what brewers' is claiming. Does Wada as someone who acts as a backup make sense thematically or Thanos absorbing powers make sense thematically? It is obvious to me. I will now amend my theory. Thanos is not a godfather type of role. Thanos probably has a modified Absorber role. Stone-holders get killed and he gets their powers. He starts N1 with no stones and no power but as he gets stones he gets powers. I would say Mod has given a safe claim to Thanos re Wanda. Preston also has an interesting theory that Thanos may be SK. This is not backed up because there were no double night kills so far. But I cannot discount that probability. But what I am sure about is that there is Thanos in the game and his probable power is exactly what Brewers has claimed that he has.

Another thing also just came to me. A townie will not be harping about how he found some info that confirms DF is town. He would warn DF and keep silent. Only in the event DF is under attack will he reveal what happened.

Brewers' whole basis of claiming I am scum is that some word here or some sentence there that I said is what scum would do. I am not even going to ocomment on how weak that is. Let the townies decide for themselves. What I am going to do is lay out the facts: 1. DF made a mistake on N1 when he posted that he wants brewers tracked in game chat/thread. This info was seen by brewers, who immediately messages DF to tell him that he has seen the action. 2. DF tracks brewers and find brewers did nothing on N1. This is exactly what a scum would do. He knows a tracker is tracking him on N1, he will do no action. Brewers has later confirmed that he infact did some actions on N2 and N3. Therefore he has no passive townie ability. When a townie find outs a tracker is tracking him he will not sit still, he will go about with his action because town needs all the info they can get. Additionally he knows tracker can later confirm his action and prove him town. A scum will do nothing, he doesnt want tracker to find out what scum team is doing. 3. Now we come to why DF wasnt blocked or killed by scum team. If DF is blocked by scum team, DF will know for sure brewers is scum, because what is the probability of scum finding the tracker on first try on N1. So blocking is out. Why did they not kill him? Because they they knew tracker is not tracking the scum killer, so it is more advantageous for them to let him live and brewers gets townie points as a result as well, which he later uses saying multiple times how he is sure DF is 99.999% town. 4. Come to N2. Why wasnt DF blocked/killed? Because here they were planning to set up Robert to be lynched as I have theorized earlier. On N2 lww was blocked. I think they had no clear info that lww was cop but they found out something on N1 which made them decide to block lww over DF on N2. They knew DF is probably on brewers side so they let him live. 5. N3. They had to kill lww the cop. It is a no-brainer. They had to block Velocity the watcher. Its a no-brainer. Again DF gets a night to live. But I dont think he will survive N4. A townie will not sit still knowing Tracker is tracking him. I think we have caught brewers in his web of lies. I will now post my list of town/scum: Town: 1. Zacch - 100% town confirmed by confirmed Cop 2. Velocity - 100% town. scum will not have the balls to claim Vision with stone 3. DF - unconfirmed but highly likely town 4. Preston - unconfirmed but highly likely town. 5. Imran - unconfirmed but I know I am town. Scum: 1. brewers - I have posted in detail why 2. Lyner - scattered voting, minimalistic analysis 3. iSocialism - either he is inactive or he is scum acting inactive. I have thought about him, the only thing that doesnt match up is if he was so inactive, why would he replace into a game for Bryan. I think he replaced in, found bryan to be scum and decided to continue active inactive. possible but not confirmed hence i Will put him at #3. 4. MK - Doesnt do much analysis, is still going on about Robert killing TM for OOC reasons. Also continued voting for Velocity. I am not clear about him but I will put him in a low priority list. 5. Robert - if brewers turn up scum, Robert is 100% town. Apart from brewers there is 2 to 3 scum in the list above. We need to lynch a scum today. The best bet is brewers. He has been caught is his own lies. This will confirm Robert. Lynching iSocialism will not give us as much info as lynching brewers. We need to go with almost-confirmed scum.

You and scum team would neither block or kill DF after the error made by DF. I will post regarding this in detail below. I am not going into OOC mud-slinging with you, which is exactly what you want - to derail the thread so that actual scum hunting cannot take place. You are also again misrepresenting me by saying I am accusing you of cheating. Some info fell into your lap and you and scum team made complete use of it.

I clarified by saying I have a "feeling". There is no way to have proof regarding this role. The couple of indications is (i) Cop is present in game -> Mod has to give Scum team some protection for balance and (ii) Brewers did no action on N1 -> fits with Godfather (iii) The game flavor states that Thanos is sending his lieutenants out to kill, in movie also he does this first and only when his lietenants start getting killed off he takes a direct hand in things. There may be some town-themed roles also which are passive so I cannot be 100% sure, but all Avengers that have died so far had power roles.

Reagrding Thanos and stones thing, I posted regarding this initially. TW specifically mentions Thanos getting a stone after Dr. Strange dies. So it brings up a question on what happens if the scum gets all the 6 stones. He also mentions that Thanos has sent out his lieutenants to find the stones. So I would say Thanos is a Mafia Godfather role with the other scum working for him. This is the quote I was referring to. Presence of Cop in the game almost confirms that the scum have a Godfather/similar type of role to counter the cop. Plus Thanos as Godfather sending out his scum team to kill and get stones matches.

Or you didnt kill him to get DF on your side, which would explain the message you sent him, showing him you did a townie thing. That possibility did not escape me, but there is no way for me to confirm one or the other without sacrificing a night. I have a feeling that he may have a Godfather type of role. I will pull up the quote where I posted this theory earlier. If he is Godfather he will not do the kills himself but send his lieutenants to do the kill.

Or you didnt kill him to get DF on your side, which would explain the message you sent him, showing him you did a townie thing.

I actually stated in my post that this was the thing that conviced me he was scum. He was on my scum list but I may not have voted for him early until I saw if there were any useful results from night. But the sudden attack out of nowhere right after I posted that I suspect that town is being led to mislynches just confirmed it. He knew I was going to come after him so he jumped in first so that my vote on him looks like a OMGUS. I am not fully conviced regarding iSoc. It is possible he is one of brewers'scum partners but he did call out lww a couple of times if I remember correctly. The lww/brewers duo looked strange to me on Day 2. It pointed to close coordination to lynch. However scum would not work so openly together also, but maybe they may have thought they will never suspect scum to be working together. Now however, lww has been confirmed town. My theory here is that brewers latched on to a very townie looking player so that he looks townie by association also. A common smart scum tactic. lww may have been role blocked on N2, he said he got not action on Day 2. That explaing why you didnt see lww do anything. Not sure if it was townie roleblocker or scum. Brewers not doing anything on N1 is interesting also. All scum may not have power roles. We have seen every avenger who has died has a power role.

Yes you threatened to boycott on Day 1 and all the other things you mentioned above on D1, when TM was banned and couldnt post. Thats why it is such a clever move. People will never suspect you as the one who killed TM. We all know you pull things like this when you are scum. You did not do the OOC shit, as you say, so you coul kill TM but when TM was unbanned you made full use of it knowing you will be the lasp person people will suspect. "So youre really saying I did all this OOC shit, as a ploy to cover me killing tony?". You are going on about me misrepresenting posts, but this is a clear misrepresentation from you. This post reminds me of Day 2 when you were "completely convinced" that Kevin was scum. I have posted a valid theory on why TM was killed. All you have done is post how I am misrepresenting things and how the tiny details in my post remind you of what scum would do. However strangely you had no such readings on my post on Day 2. Why the sudden shift? Not quoting the whole thing but I gave a detailed post on who I suspected and who I voted for and for what reasons. I have posted a valid theory on why you are scum. Where is the lie? Because I caught you?

Ok now you are just making things up Really? Roberto needs to be framed? He is a walking "look at me" sign. Lynching Roberto doesn't need a framing action to be set up. Roberto does stupid shit all the time, like how he's acting all aggro now that the spotlight is on him. Robert was very obvious that he wanted tm mod killed. I am thinking scum picked up on this and thought it will be a quick lynch. However this is OK only if Robert is working alone instead of being a scum team.

I have some time now so I will post my reasons for voting for brewers. I will keep my reasons to the point and avoid doing multi-quoting to save time and massive walls of text. 1. Day 1 - nothing interesting which ended in a mass vote for no lynch. iSoc killed on N1. 2. Day 2 - kevin role claimed Town Voyeur. Brewers immediately jumped on him saying it is a scummy move. My stance on kevin was pretty clear which I had posted at that time, it all came down to whether Kevin player very badly by role claiming or he got caught trying to be to smart as scum. (post #225 and #237). I found it hard to believe that Kevin being an experienced player (probably more experienced than all of us) will fake role claim so early as a Scum is order to do what? He had no lynch targets lines up, his vote was flimsy and clearly not well-though out. It is not was an experienced Scum would do. Now, who benefits from lynching a Town Voyeur, obviously it is scum. A Voyeur can confirm Role claims later in the game. Fake role claims will be extremely hard with always the possibility that Voyeur may have been watching. With all these reasons in play, there was enough justifcation to let him live to prove his ability. Scum will want him dead and early. An experienced player like brewers would have seen it too instead of continuing to push for the lynch sayin an an experienced player like Kevin fake role claimed as scum with some safe claim. There were 6 people on the wagon so at the time I did not suspect brewers, a scum could be any of the others on the wagon. I called out and voted jazzy for the extremely scummy post he made on D2 saying he does not vote, and completely disappearing after kevin role claimed (post #225). Jazz completely sidestepped my vote and did not respond. 3. Day 3 - Kevin turned town and TM was killed at night. We immediately get an outburst from brewers regarding TM being killed and pushing the narrative towards OOC reasons for the killing. Robert was targeted and lww and zacch joined on the wagon giving OOC reasons for the kill. This wagon probably would have lynched Robert if brewers could have pushed on with his narrative that Robert killed TM for OOC reasons. In my post #314, I laid out my reasons on why it is extremely unlikely that TM was killed for OOC (this will mean all scum are IRON members with vendetta against TM and Robert is the only one making calls regarding who to kill) along with it make no sense of Robert killing TM and confirming him to be town when he was pushing for his lynch on D2. I also made the observation that lww and brewers seems to be working together. At this point I was suspicious of the lww and brewers duo driving lynches and working so close, but of course I couldnt pin it because 2 scums will not work so closely together openly. However, after my post (and also Prestons to this effect earlier I think), the Robert wagon cooled down and people moved on to Velocity. We all know what happened, with Velocity being about to be lynched being saved by him claim only for jazz to be lynched. I was also on the wagon for lynching jazz, but note my point 2 above, I have been suspicious of jazz from Day 2 due to his scummy behavior. I did not jump on the wagn just to lynch someone, I was wrong about him but I had reasons to suspect jazz. My vote on zacch also had valid reasons because of the scummy posts zacch was making, but I later admitted that I liked Zacchs later post where he did good analysis. (post #339). I was always on the fence with Velocity. I didnt get scummy tells from him that I was getting from others (including jazz and zacch). When Velocity role-claimed and voted for Jazz it was an easy decision for me to switch my vote to Jazz from Zacch. Now I will come to my theory. Killing of TM - it was extremely odd why TM was killed when he was on the wagon of Kevin. But it is explained perfectly when you look at his actions. First outrage (fake) -> then pushing the narrative that TM was killed for OOC reasons -> Vote on Robert. The scum decided to kill TM to frame Robert. Brewers carried it out perfectly with his outrage and rush to OOC reasons for kill. As a bonus lww and zacch agreed with him but afterwards failed to gain much traction. Then Velocity came under radar and brewers stated he has no problems with lynching Velocity. He stays on the Robert wagon because either way is fine. Then comes Velocity claim and rush to join the jazz wagon. He of course knew that jazz is also town so he had no problem to join that wagon again. Now today he started the day attacking me. Anyone wonder why, after posting previously that I was making thoughtful posts, I will quote this: "Imrans are separated by like 15-20 min so I don’t think he’s just trying to increase his post count. Plus imran has been thoughtful and not contributing so he really wouldn’t need to inflate his post count." post #240. He attacked me because of the first post I made on this day, where I mentioned that I think the town is getting played towards mislynches. By this time of course I had brewers firmly in my suupicious list, but brewers caught what I was implying and came out attacking me, which just confirmed by suspicions. My votes and posts always had basis and I have not been jumping wagons just on the chance of killing townies. Brewers has been doing the opposite. By the way, to those who are saying I am lying low, I may have posted less in the last 2 days (specially yesterday as I was out all day) but here also let me quote the post count instead of saying anything else: brewersalliance 59 lilweirdward 56 Zacch 43 The Warrior 33 Imran Ehsan 32 Robert2424 30 Velocity 27 Preston 20 KevinH 19 DarkFox 18 Lyner 16 Lord MK 11 Jazzy95 11 Tony Maurice 9 iSocialism 7 Bryan93 4 Samus 1 And the above is from 27th August.

I haven't had time, but I will post details on why I think brewers is scum and I am pretty confident. Posting this as a placeholder to stop brewers accusing me of ducking. I am not as active as I used to be when I last played mafia.

Here is even more misinformation. I pushed for the lynch of Kevin. I did not lead or organize the lynch of jazzy lol i joined that one as the fourth vote.... you literally voted for jazzy before I did. unvote vote imran. intentionally misrepresenting facts is a VERY big scum tell. and then combine that with the comments he made to start the day, which is called "look at me im so town" (a very commonly used scum move) and im pretty sure we have one scum here. I will pull up the quotes later as I dont have time now, but I saw you make multiple posts that time to get people to vote jazz. The fact you voted later doesnt really mean anything. The only point in your favor here is lww was doing the same thing.

I am confused with this comment. lww claimed cop and then said he found zacch to be "not guilty". Are you trying to say you didnt think he was the real cop? Dont get this also. lww admitted to being cop and said he found Zacch to be not guilty. He was killed and was confirmed as real cop. What am I missing? Why do you still think he is "likely" town?