Imran Ehsan

sorry guys. RL catching up with me. I was waiting to hear more from ccabal and EM but both seem inactive. Remember we have to identify the scum "team". We are at a situation where we need to lynch scum every day to win. So we need to find out who is working with who and if ppl remain silent it means they dont want to play their hands by showing support for one or the other. I used my action on iSocialuism last night. His quick switching of votes and him preliminariy suspecting EM first and then moving on to the Perez lynch made me suspicious. I can confirm that he indeed has the Neapolitan role. For today, Shah needs to reveal what actions he did the last several nights and what results he got. There is no reason not to unless he is one of the scum. I am also suspicious of the ppl who has apparently gone inactive and i.e. ccabal and EM.

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Interesting turn of events. I would rather hear from everyone first before lynching someone. Todays lynch is crucial. So we need to be absolutely sure. IS EM inactive? Mod, can we get a ping on him?

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I actually want Trump to win. It will be an interesting phase in US history for sure. Hillary, Cruz and Rubio..I feel will be the same old, same old. Sanders is an outsider as well but he wont win the Democratic Nomination. Probably wont be good news for most of the US allies (europeans and the corrupt arab monarchs) and countries that have a big stake in the US market (china, mexico, japan) but will not hugely affect others. US foreign policy is shit anyway, at least this guy can bring something new to the table (good or bad).

OK. My preliminary thoughts: - I would say there is at least 2 scum in the above list. - Also there probably isn't 4 scum but 3. We did not see a rush of votes to end the lynch day. So the scum were careful which indicates they knew they will have to go through another day to win. - With the extra kill on N3, I am now thinking there are 3 scum + 1 SK with the SK having X-shot or odd night ability. - I am interested to hear if TW commuted last night. I realize this may leave him open for a night kill but its pretty much a do or die scenario today. If he did not commute our protective roles saved a townie tonight. - I had a successful use of my action last night as well. But I want to hear from iSocialism (his response to Shah), ccabal and EM first before i reveal the result.

we got the extra kill on the odd night. So if there is a SK it is likely it is odd-night aligned not even.

Interesting. Seems like someone got protected at night. protected successfully I mean

scum tactics 101 typical scum behavior calling everyone else scum.

Yeah no bandwagons yet can only mean a good thing. That Perez is indeed scum. Or there are already 3 scum on the wagon (which I doubt). also ccabal is posting in other parts of the forum but not here.

Strange time to claim something like that iSoc. EM has not been exactly very active and you are basically providing new information right when time is almost up and not giving him enough time to respond to your vote.

I should be the last person to call you out on this but it's Friday and we haven't heard from you yet. +1 Perez gets accused. Possibility emerges that he and cc may be working together and ccabal conveniently disappears. I dont like it.

Pretty sure that you know who they are. Who do you suspect the least at this point?

I am not exactly sure what a nurse has to do with anything. @Shah - at this point of the game, every little bit of info will be of use to the town if it can be used to avoid another mislynch. So since you have already revealed your role you need to let us know whatever info you have or otherwise it will be all lost if you are killed at night. Thats my opinion anyway.

I already mentioned those in post #1029:

Rey, Role Cop N1 Target: Rafay - found him to be a 3-shot Role Stopper N2 Target Yehom - got "No Result" from MOD N3 Target TW - found him to be 2-shot Commuter

First night someone got protected or targetted TW (if he used his action that night). Apart from the doc I dont think we have seen any other protective role or jailkeepers or rolblockers (yet). Yehom would have died if he protected someone so it wasnt him. So it leaves only these 2 possibilities in my opinion. I dont think a Vig will be lying about his role. They are normally townaligned. So it can be a SK or a scum with extra kill ability. I think they have an x-shot ability or only odd-night ability thats why we havent seen more kills until last night. At this point in the game, scum will target more valuable roles at night ex: me, doc, bodyguard, watcher etc. They wont take the chance that the commuter has an action up his sleeve and will use it the night they target him. So i am pretty sure they will leave him be. If anything they will try to lynch him if they knew his role. So I revealed TWs role knowing it will help id the scum today and not put him in too much danger at night.

Yes but he never asked for the name though. I know iSocialism was asking around for names so it would have made sense if iSoc was the Flavor Cop. Mand never wanted it and seemed to be he was basing his votes on TW filp flopping on D2. I asked Mand about the reasons for his suspicions as well and didnt get anything more than that. And yeah I targetted TW last night. Last night the people with unknown roles were you, Mandarijn, TW, EM, Shah and Perez. I wanted to find out an unknown role and find inconsistency in anyones claim today instead of trying to confirm a role. You are pretty townie for me and Shah did not stand out that much. Amongst the others I wanted to see if Mand's suspicions of TW were true as he seemed adamant, so I chose him over Perez or EM. Probably should have gone with Perez in hindsight.

OK lots of stuff to respond to. I did not say that. I am just making notes of who seems to be working with who. To me it seems you and ccabal may be on the same team. Its possible none of you are scum but its also possible both of you are part of a scum team working together.

^good post Yehom. Shah's posting has been shady and with his defence of ccabal, they may be a team. Although Perez seemed to be trying to accuse Shah of being scum as well. So I am not sure if all 3 are on the same team. One more thing just occurred to me. If Mandy investigated TW and found something suspicious as Perez is claiming, why would he not reveal his role? It makes no sense, he knew there is at least one townie with a role that can protect him at night (Yehom) and the possibility of a doc as well. Almost everyone had claimed roles on D3, so if he really had incriminating evidence against TW he would have surely revealed his actions as Samus had done earlier. But Samus should not have claimed because he was ascetic and had not actually confirmed a sure scum. But if Mandy knew TW had a scummy name, I am pretty sure he would have revealed, specially knowing a protective role is around. I am sure he would have been protected by the bodyguard at least at night, if not the doc as well. So this just leads me to believe that Perez is just throwing out the Mandy investigated TW story out there to reinforce his attempt to lynch TW. Sometimes the simplest solutions are the right ones and in tihs case it seems to be its a simple assumption to make the Mand would have revealed his role and identified TW as scum, which would have avoided the townie lynch as well. Since he did not, I am pretty sure Mand did not have any info that identified anyone as being clearly to be scum.

I am pretty positive Perez is scum. He has gone into lurk mode again. And FB..yeah pretty suspicious movement there from you as well. You just reminded me of your flip flopping on D3. If we go this route it has to be with a solid plan in place for the night. Since now we know almost all the roles we should plan it so that we can be sure to lynch a scum on D5.

Interesting result iSoc. Also interesting theory from TW. I think we are starting to see a pattern on how potential scum groupings can be. Its not exactly clear yet but we can look at the overall direction of arguments and support each player is giving for the other. So in my opinion, we are now seeing groupings of - 1. EM and iSoc - we need to hear from EM, but if he confirms iSoc's theory that will mean they are confirming each others roles (one a VT and another a Neapolitan). 2. Perez and ccabal - still need to hear from ccabal, but until he posts his thoughts it looks like both are confirming each others roles. 3. Perez and Finster - going by TW's theory that scum probably tried to build up on his wagon, the biggest supporter of a TW lynch after Mand was Finster. So i see a potential grouping between the two there too. 4. Shah and ccabal- Still cant quite figure out Shah but he had been defending ccabal. Lyner is confirmed town and I am leaning towards Yehom being town as well. Re: TW am leaning towards him being town and I know he is a commuter, but there is nothing that says a commuter cant be scum. Still slightly leaning towards him being townie. We need to really hear from EM and also need more posts from ccabal and Finster.

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holy moly walls of texts. Shah = scum probably (disclaimer: I havent read those walls of texts yet..but i will when i get time)

I get what you are saying, but there are many inconsistencies and "wth" factors in his posts. 1. He claims I am scum because Yehom protected me. But he cant say why Yehom will protect me if both of us are scum. We have seen no 3rd party kills in the previous nights which would indicate the presence of a SK or Vig. 2. He apparently knew a 2nd kill will be done on this night and pepared his case based on that scenario. 3. He is very flaky about his actual role. I dont believe he has clearly come out and said what role he has. 4. On D3 he claimed to have a role that he can use every night. We have only seen odd/even tracker/watcher/followers in this game so far. IMO he wasnt sure if he will claim a watcher role so left it vague but made the mistake of revealing earlier he can use actions every night. He may have been worried that the Tracker (Robert) will target him and find out he can use his actions on odd nights, if he had claimed to use them on even nights. They probably targetted Robert for the same reason as well. 5. He claims to have seen TW being investigated. If he had that info why didnt he reveal it on earlier days when Mandarijn was still alive and could have confirmed him. Safe claim to do it after Mand died and no one can confirm it. His claim to watch Samus on N2 also is very convenient now that everyone knows Samus was ascetic. 6. Add all that to his history of lurking and not doing pretty much anything throughout this game, except for this last day when he seems to have emerged from the night with an agenda, not based on any new info he got from the night, but from something that I still am not sure how he arrived at (i.e. TW, me and Yehom are all scum). ps: I forgot to add that he also claimed that Yehom is scum because he protected me but conveniently ignored the fact the Lyner (a confirmed townie) also protected me. So one guy protecting me is scum and the other is not. I am not sure how that makes sense.