Imran Ehsan

wow..really? You think Samus knew on D1 that I was scum? Even before any night actions? lol..ok And yeah ABT and me will be supporting each other so publicly and so early in the game if we were both scum. I mean I may get that you think I am suspicious but thats just an insult to my intelligence. And if theres a cop, this is to you. By all means feel free to use your investigation action on me tonight. But when you find I am town, make sure you use your next night action on Shah.

"Aggressive" - Thats such a weird word to describe my actions. I feel like someone is trying very hard to paint me as suspicious and others are buying it. I started this Day with a condolence message for Samus because he got killed early in 2 consecutive games. Aggressive post? Dont think so. Then King Hitler votes for me giving the reason that "he got a vibe that I am scum" This was immediately followed by a 2nd vote by Avater with the reason "I agree with him". This looks very like a planned noob scum move which I pointed out. Why so? On D1 me and Samus were trading votes and fun barbs that the other is scum. The noob scum team thought that if Samus is killed in the night they can get a quick lynch on me. Why do I say noob. Because experienced players will not fall for this. This looks like a very nooby strategy. So when I point this out and vote Avater for bandwagoning, Avater quickly backtracks (but does not remove his vote) saying it was "just for fun" Then out of nowhere Rhizo comes out claiming that I have been making baseless accusations. So please point out my "aggressive" actions and who the real "aggressors" are in this situation.

My current theory is that TW and iSoc are scum with the 3rd spot being a toss up between d3mon and SM. Kevin's claim pretty much cleared fermion which he wouldn't have done if he were scum. His action can also be confirmed by a 3rd player. Against that we have the lurker group. I say we lynch TW today and if he turns up scum we hit the jackpot. At worst we will just lose a lurker who hasn't done any scum hunting or tried to help the town.

vote* I see yours and SMs votes*

Its pretty interesting that we suddenly had a flurry of activity from perennial lurkers and votes on kevin as soon as TW was voted on. someone kicked the beehive and the bees are coming out.

Don't go crying that there is no info to Lynch on D2 when you refused to Lynch on d1. If you lynched on d1 there will be wagons to analyze and probably chance to identify some potential scum. But all you guys went on a merry kumbaya of no Lynch behind. So of course D2 will be as boring as d1.

Vote: TW Lurking.

Why so much bent on proving me as scum? are you confirming that you are a watcher? who did you watch on n1 and n2?

^good points Fermion. I am convinced. Unvote I no longer think Fermion is scum. Kevin/Rafay combo is possible. Lets hear Rafays claim first. Kevin is trying to throw doubt on my investigation motives. But we must not forget d3mon. He was the first to bring it up. He also seemed very worried about Fermion being a Vig and was advocating a lynch there. Also iSocialism, TW and SM are lurking. There is probably a scum there. COD is scum hunting so I dont think him scum at this point.

By itself, a scum watcher wouldn't help the scum much, but it could easily be there to make the scum blend in. Is Imran a scum tracker? Or Fermion is a goon that didn't deliver the kill Night 1. That was my first suspicion. MOD pretty much confirmed me as the Beast Boy which is a townie character, so I dont know the reason for you suggesting this.

Well my obsession with a Scum JOAT is because we had 3 dead townies and none had the "Town" modifier added to the. So it wasnt Mandarijn, the TOWN Voyeur or Shah, the TOWN Cop (well scum cop wont make sense, but still why add Town modifier to TheDoom). And yeah like I said, I cant reconcile Fermion being JOAT if kevin is not lying. If we believe kevin and rafay are both town that will imply Fermion is also town. In that case, we would need to look at others as potential scum.

Whats your thoughts on who the actual scum are?

I think Robert made it pretty clear on D2 that the text is just flavor and we should not try to draw any conclusions from it. I would be interested to hear Robert's thoughts on this again @MOD So if its just flavor. The only info we have from the night (from the MOD) is that 2 townies were killed. If its just flavor that misfire does not indicate a Vig kill. But again, I would like the MOD to clarify it. My thoughts of this being a JOAT kill is that there was a TOWN JOAT. So there must a SCUM JOAT. JOATs have kill abilities (usually). So that extra kill came from a scum JOAT, not a Vigilante. but if Kevin is not lying I cant reconcile you being a JOAT. Because a JOAT will surely use his action on N1. So I am kinda in the middle here.

Where did I throw out baseless accusations? Are you still sore about me catching you lying and getting you lynched in the other game? Because I dont see any "baseless accusations" being thrown about by me in this game. I have no clue what you are trying to say here. Voting for someone "just for fun" is bandwagoning. Providing no reason or no reason other then.."yeah I agree with him" is bandwagoning. No one said you cant do it. You can provide whatever reason you want for your vote. But I will also call you out for doing it because thats a pretty good indicator of scumminess.

I have a strategy to survive early kill attempts. If you decide to play on I will let you know the strategy. In PM. I dont want other shady characters to know my strategy.

I really dont buy this explanation. I think he is lying. My vote will stay.

Yeah u r right i am just a noob trying to figure out this game , i voted Imran just for fun Fun votes ended on Day 1. Any votes and accusations from D2 onwards will be taken seriously and it will be assumed you are bandwagoning if you provide no valid reason.

Well Fermion has been around and browsing and made no less than 5 posts in different parts of the forum today but nothing here. His actions or lack thereof are not indicative of pro-town. Also no news from Mod regarding requested extension. So our best bet for today is still lynching Fermion. Vote: Fermion

Yeah if I was scum I would kill the only person who was vocal about me being scum (btw it was D1 and no one knew anything so all posts on D1 are fluff). That would be very smart of me . In fact I see it as a scum tactic to try to get me lynched early. A pretty nooby one I might add, which brings me to.. i agree with him , he is just running around and accusing everyone . VOTE: Imran Holy moly..that was a quick bandwagon! D1 was all fluff posts. But you are quick to jump on the bandwagon. Noob scum detected. Vote: Avater

So to confirm Kevin's claims: 1. Fermion needs to post and confirm he did not do any action on N1. Fermion should also let us know if his ability is x-shot or if he can kill every night. 2. Rafay needs to say he wants Kevin to reveal his action. Which will need to be confirmed by Rafay as being. If the above 2 happens, that will mean either kevin is telling the truth or kevin, rafay and fermion are all working together (the possibility of this is very low as it will reveal all 3 scum if one is lynched). So hearing from both Rafay and Fermion are very important. Because if that happens we can have 4 confirmed townies: me, kevin, rafay and fermion. Leaving the scum team to be amongst: d3mon, iSocialism, COD, SM and TW If kevin role confirmation is not done i.e. say Rafay does not want to reveal his action, it leaves us to square 1 because we dont know if kevin is lying about his role or not.

My 100% certainty is beginning to slip. Mod: Does the mafia have day-talk? Yeah. You just keep looking more scummy. Why is your 100% certainty beginning to slip? This vague references trying to throw doubt into investigation results are continuing from you from D1. To MOD: EXTENSION REQUEST I want to hear from Rafay regarding kevin's claim. And also need to hear more from the lurker iSocialism. Amd of course Fermion.

If fermion continues lurking and does not post his defence we need to lynch him.

Lol...yeah I remember Kevin and kaz getting killed early every single game. It happens.

Whoa. Lots of new info. Unvote Kevin why can't you confirm rafay's action? Whoa. Lots of new info. Unvote Kevin why can't you confirm rafay's action? Whoa. Lots of new info. Unvote Kevin why can't you confirm rafay's action? Wtf Sorry posting from my phone made the triple post. I blame Seamus. Wtf Sorry posting from my phone made the triple post. I blame Seamus.

I am kinda stumped that 2 of ppl I suspect as scum are agreeing/voting with me... So either they decided to sacrifice one of their scum buddies or I will have to re-look at who i think is what. So I will leave it upto the others to decide who to lynch today. I am fine with either Fermion or kevn or TW.