Imran Ehsan

We've got 3 of these roles. The cop, jailkeeper, and tracker will get information in the night. It would be bad to force them to roleclaim early. Which of the poisons did the scum pick? I have been wondering the same thing. My best guess will be they picked Innocent child, Vigilante and 1-shot cop. Why? innocent child - no power really and with 10 townies its unlikely the ic will be picked to lynch and even then just missing one mislynch on a townie is not that important. vigilante: he has a higher probability of picking off townies in the early nights. vig mis-killing helps the scum. 1-shot cop: this is a close one but I think they will go for this role. the cop has only 1-shot of identifying just one of the scum. its unlikely the cop will want to use this ability early which gives the scum more time to kill off the cop. as opposed to: jailkeeper: this is a pretty strong role and works almost as well as the cop and he has no handicap 1-shot or 2-shot ability tracker - no handicap on his abilities and he has a better chance of identifying the scum as he can track a scum who sends in a kill.

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Vote: kevinH for not being blood thirsty.

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This is wrong. I have already voted for Commander Shepard.

You are basing your vote on Day 1? When everyone was posting random votes and arguing for the sake of arguing. If you want the town to win you need to look at todays situation. CS has been posting a lot yes, but I can guarantee that I lurked a lot less than Nerau. Its interesting you think I am the SK while you think Nerau is not, if you are basing your votes on who posted most. In any case, I think I made some valid posts in both the last 2 days and that you claiming that I was lurking is wrong. You need to go back and read through the whole thread and read my posts..I didnt post fluff like Lyner and Rafay or been almost absent like Nerau. Keeping that aside, lets say you had the RB ability. Who would you have blocked last night? Block the identified cannibal, Lyner (id'ed by Euclid) or let him have a free shot at killing a townie before he dies? If I had the RB role I know I would have blocked him and saved an extra townie from being killed.

You are pushing for lynch on a VT so no I dont trust you. The game is over if you are the SK and you dont have any proof that you didnt kill the real RB and claim it as your own. The process you are defending to win the game for the town also involves everyone believing that A-T is not the SK and if that is true the game is over as well. A-T was active last night so he could have easily sent in the kill. On N1 I am not sure but Xarastier was still around..although he wasnt posting so he could have easily sent in the NK then too. Xar has been known for going silent and ignoring all questions at him in the last couple of games too..so him not posting doesnt mean he was inactive. All these could have/should have been avoided if you blocked Lyner last night if you are the real RB. The fact that you did not so todays situation arises looks pretty straightforward to me that you are the SK.

Not necessarily. If kevinH was alive today that would have meant we avoid the scenario that we are in today. We HAVE to believe your roleclaim and then lynch correctly amongst me and Alternate_Tree. This is a very poor situation..as we can already see as I am being lynched while being a VT. If Alternate is the SK and not Nerau then the game is lost. I get lynched, you block Nerau and A_T kills you. Game over. So the situation you have created today is not a good place for the townies to be in. This is a toss-up between you chosing who should be lynched amongst me and A-T and you are basing lynching me on 0 to no evidence at all..and as expected getting it wrong. If you are the real RB and you are right about Nerau..then you would pull it off but if not..town loses. Yes it is. So thats why I am saying if you are SK you pulled it off nicely. You created a situation where the VTs have no option but implicitly trust in you that you are the real RB and THEN trus you in lynching me over A-T. Being wrong in one one of these situations means Town loses. You point to it as justification. But you are talking of all possible ways here. You are saying Nerau is the most possible goon and Lyner is the SK, and then you say Euclid may actually be the SK and again you say Lyner could be the 2nd goon. So pretty much you are saying all scenarios are possible and covering your bases. I dont see how you are pointing to this post for justification when it is clear here that you are saying all different things could be possible. Sacrifice myself for the town? Again thats assuming you are not the SK which I am starting to get very convinced off.

OK so the situation is whether CS is the real role blocker or the SK masquerading at the RB..which would mean RoT was the RB as he was killed by the SK on Day 1. I know I am a VT and I think my posts from the last 2 days will show that too. The situation has been maneuvered into such a position that we need to have complete belief in CS as the Real RB or town loses. Will the real RB want this to be the case on Day 3? I dont think so. If CS is the SK and we lynch one of the remaining townies, that means town loses as he can easily kill one more townie at night and win. Lets look at N2 assuming he is the SK. He knows Rafay is scum and as there were no counter-claims to Euclid, that would mean Euclid was the cop that means Lyner is the second goon. What will the SK do in this situation? He will kill the only threat remaining to him, which is the Cop. I was confused why CS did not block Lyner on N2. If he was the real RB, I am almost positive he would have blocked Lyner on N2, which would have meant there were 4 townies left today. Instead he chose to RB Nerau and bring the situation to today were we HAVE to believe that he is the RB or town loses. Lets say he convinces the 2 VTs to lynch the 3rd VT. Its a sure win for him...a perfect situation for the SK. The real RB is dead so only one mislynch means the town loses. If he was the real RB why would he chose such a scenario? He would have IMO blocked Lyner. So unless Lyner was the SK that would have prevented this complete dependance on believing in CS's role. CS gave the reason that kevinH was high on his list as the SK thats why he didnt attempt to block Lyner. My question is 1) How did you know that Lyner will target kevinH and not Euclid? It seems to me like you are making up justifications for not blocking Lyner last night as you go. You had no way of knowing he will target kevinH or are you saying that Lyner killing Euclid would also have been OK? Was he on you list as a possible SK too? 2) I made the argument on Day 2, that it is VERY unlikely kevinH is the SK because that would have meant Martino was the real Vig and I dont see why Martino will for no reason nightkill Kazio or RoT on Night 1 instead of kevinH. kevinH was the only confirmed powerrole before this night and I find it hard to believe that you are still arguing that he may have been scum. There are many discrepancies in your arguments and while I was leanng towards believing you on Day 2, my feelings on you have changed after this night. Vote: Commander Shepard

And mainly for the strategy and the quote above. It is a complete lie and I believe an attempt to attack the RB. Unvote Vote Imran I will address this first as it was my mistake. I will put forward my thoughts on the rest of the stuff in a little bit as I have to run now. I had a quick look at the final vote count which was this: I really overlooked Nerau voting for Lyner there. It stuck out that Lyner was voting for Euclid and I had the impression that everyone else apart from Rafay was voting for Rafay. So that was an oversight on my part. I dount see why I would want to lie about that when the above vote count is right on this page even.

Thats a very strange reasoning. Rafay flipped scum...which means Lyner would be either Cannibal Goon or the SK. He was the only one NOT voting for Rafay. This looked very straightforward to me that if Lyner is scum this means he is Rafay's fellow partner. The SK will not care if Rafay got klynched, in fact he will be happy that his competition is getting killed and his one of his threats being eliminated. So if Lyner is the Cannibal and you are the roleblocker, you should be blocking him, so that KevinH or another townie role doesnt get NKed in the night too. At one strike, townies would have taken out two scum while losing only 1 (killed by the SK). But as it is we lost two townies..with both probably being power roles. How was that good choice on your part to block Nerau?

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Nice. Although I am bit confused. Wasnt Commander Shepard supposed to role block Lyner?