Imran Ehsan

So you would prefer we spend the first 3-4 days saying.."I am unsure what to do".."whats going on?" and stuff like that. I lay out my theory (if I have one) early on so that we have enough time to discuss it. Note that I did not vote for you yet..i found your actions suspicious and explained why. I am willing to hear your explanation..as well as other theories put forward by other players before deciding on who to vote for. I am not pushing anyone to agree with me....or trying to get anyone rush voted. If you have a theory against me or anyone else..feel free to lay it out and we can discuss it. But it seems like so far you have not taken a stand on anything. I would like to hear who are on your list of suspects (and why) at this time.

How is me voting for EM a suspect? If you go back and look it was me who put the FOS on him before anyone else. If i suspect someone and I do not get any other evidence or arguments which can convince me otherwise, of course I will vote for him be it the half lynch vote, the 1st vote or the last vote. I don't see how a half lynch vote has any bearing anyway as EM was lynched by majority at the end and there was not a tie. I gave a long explanation of why I found one of the non-voters suspicious in my last post. It is interesting that you chose to ignore addressing that post and instead chose to make a wild claim how I am trying to kill off inactive townies.

So what is the best way to play if one were scum? You would stay under the radar for as long as possible. Never be the first to accuse someone, do not propose theories, do not be among the first ones to agree to a theory before a majority supports it and do not vote if a lynching is almost decided (no reliable voting history). So basically do a whole load of nothing. Your actions are at Night...during the Day snooze and look helpful. While analyzing the posts of the two non-voters, RoT and ABD, I found RoTs posts to be specially interesting. The following are all the posts RoT made in the game: He does not post what he himself thinks. He is testing the air as to what others think with phrases like "who knows?" and "do we want to lynch?" Easy decision. Nerau was inactive and already a few had voted to lynch him without facing much resistance. Again phrases like "i am not sure"..... Again....phrases like "not convinced" and "not sure"......No firm stand on any decision. Thats probably an accident So from RoT we have seen a whole load of nothing. He never posts up a theory..never says who he suspects...he is pretty much unsure and uncertain throughout the game. He wont make a stand until he is pretty sure which way the general consensus is going towards. He has perfected the art of "staying under the radar"! FOS: Reign of Terror

At the moment I am extremely suspicious of the 2 who did not vote.

lol...i doubt EM wanted to unvote his vote of Rafay. But rules are rules I guess...

So with deadline nearing, it seems like it is boiling down to a lynch of either Rafay , EM or ccabal86 today. My analysis of said characters: Firstly Rafay. Very suspicious switching of votes and throwing accusations around to get a lynch without any solid evidence. However, as has been pointed out, this does not necessarily mean that he is scum, just that he is inexperienced. EM: Pushing for werewolf scenario early on. Very experienced player and completely capable of orchestrating a scum move of no night kill on Night 1 to confuse the townies. Also was the lead to lynch a townie, Nerau, on Day 2. Claims to be a mason with no power. ccabal86: Claimed a townie role early but not revealing his extra powers (if any?). Was against werewolf scenario from beginning and now pushing for an EM lynch. Claims to have revealed role to get discussion going and to assess reactions from various players. Have pinpointed EM as being the most inquisitive of his role. My take: I kind of agree that Rafay would not be attracting so much attention towards him if he was scum. For the same reason I dont see why ccabal wouldclaim a townie role and attract attention himself if he was scum. I think this lynch and this nights action will make things a lot more clearer. So for the moment I an going for a lynch of the most suspicious character of the 3: Electric Mango. Vote: Electric Mango

I must admit I kind of bought the Werewolf/Vampire scenario. ccabal86's alternative theory seems plausible also. This would mean that its a very well thought out and orchestrated move by the Mafia. Still not clear why ccabal86 role claimed in the first place though? It seems one of the basis for you to suspect EM is because he wanted you to reveal your role. But as far as I remember a lot of others also wanted you to reveal your role...it is curious why you would come out so early in the game. How are you sure that only the mafia will push you to reveal your role...maybe the doc (as an example) will also be interested to know who you are actually claiming to be before protecting you.

So you are saying you are voting to lynch ccabal86 because he claimed a power role. But you are also saying he claimed a power role to save himself from a lynch? So you think he was going to be lynched anyway even if he did not claim a role? So he claimed a role to save himself? Isn't that contradictory? I am not getting it.

ZincoX gave an explanation on why he wants to lynch ccabal on Day 2. Rafay did not.

Well Rafay seems to be voting for a lynch all over the place. He first voted to lynch KevinH on Day 2. When he didn't get enough support he switched to voting for Nerau to drive the lynch nail in. Now instead of explaining any reasons he has voted to lynch ccabal86 probably noting that he will get at least the support of ZincoX (he voted for ccabal86 on Day 1 before switching). From the earlier day, it is clear that once you get 2-3 votes on one guy others start following in a train. So its a bit suspicious as to why Rafay seems to be wanting to lynch without analysing the situation first or hearing ccabals side of the story.

So you basically want to lynch a possible townie power role just because you "think" so? Why exactly will a scum claim to be a townie role this early in the game? I am also interested in hearing about ccabal's reasons for claiming a role...but going for a lynch just because you "think" he is bluffing sounds like something a scum would do.

At this point I am also of the opinion that scum are in the ones who voted for Nerau. Also the "charred body" thing is interesting. I also think it looks like a vigilante type of murder...so I am not yet ready to throw out the "turner" theory. We need to strike the head of the snake before it gets bigger or we lose. EM led the parade for lynching Nerau..Theo jumped on the bandwagon pretty quickly. FOS: Electric Mango FOS: Theophilos

Well I really don't see anyone suspicious enough to lynch at the moment. I have been reading the discussions and trying to decide what the best course of action would be at this point and I have come to the conclusion that lynching a random person would hurt the townies more than the scum. if its a werewolf scenario than there's probably just 2 scums at this point so there is 2 out of 13 probability of hitting one of them on a random lynch. Heeence, I will wait and see what the next night brings. Vote: No Lynch

Thats quite a turnaround from uncertain to being absolutely sure. For all I know it could have been a roleblocker or a doc who got lucky and thwarted the scum. How are you so certain that this is a werewolf?

ABigDeer - 187 Fernando - 113 reign of terror - 97 Theophilos - 66 d3mon - 54 Hertt - 48 MatsuSoul - 22 Psycogenius - 10 Imran - 10 AngelCruzdelaSant - 9 Chong a Bong - 8 Doctore - 8 cristoir - 7 KF2001 - 4 kazecap0ne - 3 ZincoX - 3 Chico - 2 Kaziocore - 2 Commander Shepard - 2 Blaskowicz - 2 eoc90 - 1 Caenwulf - 1 Endirrrr - 1 Kunin - 1

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Since no further information seems to be forthcoming Vote: No Lynch

Thats assuming Mafia converts one townie each and every night. But I think there will be a risk involved in turning a townie for the scum also. What happens if they try to turn a cop (assuming there is one with 13 people in the game)? Maybe scum gets revealed or dies? So I think scum will be very careful on who they want to turn as they will have no idea if they will be approaching a townie power role or not.

*strolls in* *looks around suspiciously* *fingers rope*

The game was lost when no mafia counter claimed to be the real cop. I think beebs should have counterclaimed to be the cop as soon as RoT posted as a cop. In that case it would have looked like EM, Kazio and RoT cooked this plan up on their own.

HA! I knew it. Thats why when I voted him for lynching on Day 1 all hell broke loose. Beebs started arguing about why I am mafia and KevinH went, "no, no, no lynch!"

I love penguins

:V excellent game everyone. So was there a 3rd mafia? was it SirCroc? and whats a roleblocker?

I am not entirely convinced but with d3mon's vote it does not matter any longer. Vote: KevinH

by the way cant edit so..i meant you just straight up claimed EM is scum (not "KevinH") without giving any reasons as why others should believe you.