Imran Ehsan

wow..thats very thin. I am actually very leery of any assumptions you make, because you have led and organized the lynch of tow townies so far. You were also about to lynch Velocity before Velocity claimed stone. I am at the this point wondering your outrage at the death of TM was not all a show or not. If you are scum you have led the town on a merry chase. And here again a quick jump on the Robert wagon. Lets remember we may be at a LYLO situation as Lyner had commented earlier. But you seem to want to end the day early basing your votes on one line of what I had said. Vote: brewers

This is no good for us. The last night events ended fast..the role claims and all was done very poorly. Jazz played terribly not only did he act like a scum throughout but when he was about to be lynched he revealed the cop. We need to know from the claimed roles what they found last night. Zacchs actions and Velocity's results. It looks to me like there the town is being played by one of more scums who are driving us towards mislynches and revealing role names before they found the scum. I will need to go through the last days posts again thoroughly before I form an opinion on whats going on. Also Thanos now has 4 stones, was Starlord in possession of the reality stone in the movie...I thought Thanos got it from the Collector?

this made me lol

Yeah good point, didnt think of that.

Lets keep things civil. No need to launch personal attacks bacause of a game. Having gone through 3-pages of posts that I had to catch up on, one of the things that is striking me as massively odd is Zacch's claim that he submitted an action and Mod did not reply. If he was role blocked I think he would get a no result reply as well, the action is not going to go into a void.

I know Velocity is scum, because I targeted Brewers night 1 with my town role. This may also be me misunderstanding what a watcher can actually see, someone please explain and I will either reinforce my claim or withdraw it. Wait. What?? I didnt see this when I posted. Now I am lost.

Interesting turn of events. Don't have time now to go through everything that was said, but we should not be quick to lynch anyone with a stone claim. Not entirely convinced if he is fake claiming or not, such late in the day, but we will have time for that later. For now I will switch my vote to jazz, he has been my no 1 scum suspect for a while. Unvote zacch Vote jazz

The velocity vote on jazz looks like a distancing move to me. If velocity is lynched today and turns up scum, I think we got out 2nd scum too.

Where was this said? Who said it? Can you give a reference? I thought you were a newby who havent played many game. Where did you get this information from regarding past games played by Velocity. I've read parts of a few of the games on this forum, specifically some that were mentioned by brewers on discord, check the discord if you don't believe me. You keep on bringing OOC reasons in this game. There is no evidence anyone is voing or night killing on OOC reasons. Fair, I will abandon those reasons as they should have nothing to do with the game. The only vote on you currently is Robert. And you voted for him. Now you are saying he is townie because he voted for you? Yea, in a nutshell. Scum #1: lilweirdward 1. Day 1 Pro-Lynch 2. Day 1 Fake Vote for Velocity before dropping it (no vote at end despite being pro-lynch in D1 postings) 3. Day 2 Second to join Kevin Wagon. 4. Day 2 Was the most aggressive if not a close second to brewers in the Kevin push. Scum #2: Brewers 1. Day 1 Pro-Lynch 2. Day 2 Fake vote for llw 3. Day 2 Started Kevin Wagon 4. Day 2 Clear team with llw. Scum #3: Velocity 1, Day 1 Pro-Lynch 2. Day 2 Refused to vote for Kevin despite Agreeing with the Wagon. Its interesting both Brewers and llw did a Fos on Velocity, almost on purpose to distance themselves from him. This threw me off on brewers at first thinking ok Velocity cant be scum brewers just pointed him out, but if you think about it, Velocity FoS was an obvious one due to his reluctance to vote kevin despite agreeing with the wagon. I now think this was a fake Fos to put distance between scum. llw's FoS of Velocity also being fake. It just feels like the three of them are connected and actively trying to make it seem like they're not. Suspicious of: 1. Darkfox 2. Preston Mostly for either being on the kevin wagon (DF) or Pro-Lynch day 1 (Preston). I'm probably wrong, like usual, but this is my honest assessment of the game (no bullshit). I like this post from you. I don't agree with most of it but you have done your own analysis without following others points and discarding Ooc reasons. But I still cannot fully ignore your earlier scummy behaviour so I will keep the vote on you still for now. Velocity and jazz needs to post and vote.

I dont know about this. If you walk like a duck, quack like a duck, you are probably a duck. Vote: Zacch His extreme flip-flopping, baseless reasoning, jumping on wagons to lynch, all point towards a scum. He is standing out so much because he is an inexperienced scum, it doesnt means he is a clueless townie. Or he is another Rafay n disguise. I cant remember how many game Rafay survived as scum because everyone thought he always posts scummy. I am not going to give the same free-pass to Zacch. Lets lynch the ones with the scummiest behavior. jazz is yet to show up. FOS: Jazz I would call for him to be lynched, if Zacch wasnt acting so scummy. I am on the fence regarding Velocity. I need to go through the earlier posts again, but for now I will go with the ones I find the most scummy.

Where was this said? Who said it? Can you give a reference? I thought you were a newby who havent played many game. Where did you get this information from regarding past games played by Velocity. You keep on bringing OOC reasons in this game. There is no evidence anyone is voing or night killing on OOC reasons. The only vote on you currently is Robert. And you voted for him. Now you are saying he is townie because he voted for you?

ps: OK a slight correction. Kevin was on 4 votes when he voted for TM. Zacch actuallu voted for kevin before kevin did on TM. TW wasnt putting up regular vote counts so missed that. But anyway, my point still stands.

OK I have gone through some of the earlier posts that I wanted to check and I will share my observations here: 1. The big question, Robert - Is he scum who knew kevin will turn town when lynched? Or did he truly believed kevins claim and followed him to vote the person kevin thought was scum? Or did he vote for Tony for OOC reasons and then killed him at nght for OOC reasons? I beleive if we can address these question we will have some idea of what may be happening. Roberts subequent posts have been way over the place and as some have already pointed out they seem to be superficial observations. Is it because its a scum looking for way out or is it just a case of he is not good at words to defend himself from the accusations being thrown at him? My first observation -> Robert was the 2nd vote on TM when there were only 3 votes on Kevin. I think there were still 8 votes pending at that time, and it was nowhere certain that others will actually vote to lynch kevin. If kevin was scum, this quick rush to vote TM would have made sense for scum Robert, scum partner opening up a separate lynch wagon to save is buddy. If Robert is scum, he also knoew TM is town. So I am asking myself why would scum Robert prefer to lynch TM instead of Kevin. He would just sit on the sidelines and act like he doesnt have time to read/too busy with RL/his own playstyle is not voting etc. as some others have already done. OK so lets say he assumed very early that kevin will be lynched and so he voted TM to look like a townie who was trying to save a townie with PR. But then he goes to night and kills TM (??!) confirming TM to be town (??) and making his position extremely vulnerable. Here LWW is making the point that Robert didnt think it through or didn't realize the blow-back will be so hard. But lww then later goes on to admit that Robert is an experienced player. This is looking very contradictory to me. Even if we think Robert made a gross error in killing TM (even being expereinced in this game), what about his scum buddies? Are they noobs also or were they too inactive to decide who to kill and Robert made the decision on his own? Does this add up? Now we come to OOC reasons. Brewers and Zacch seems to be voting for Robert with the assumption that Robert killed on OOC reasons. I earlier stated this is a plausible theory, but N1 iSoc killing didnt make sense. Also this assumption means all the scum are IRON members who are all acting on a vendetta to kill TM. Unless here also the argument is being made that Robert himself is the sole decision maker in the scum team and others are silent partners or inactive. What is the probability of all scum being IRON members and out to take out TM? This also ignores the probability that TW can bring back TM anytime in the game as a replacement (iSocilism seems to have gone inactive). Will the scum team again kill replacement TM? The reasons for the votes on Robert seem very weak to me. The only scummy tell I have on Robert is that super-fast vote he made on TM after kevin voted for him. This shows he probably did not vote for TM based on any logical reason but was just following kevins vote knowing kevn is a townie. But him later killing TM and confirming him to be town makes no sense. Other observations: 1. Zacch is acting extremely scummy. Preston pointed out above about the time he wanted PR roles to come out with the doctor dead. Then he has been very quick to jump on wagons on flimsy/weird excuses. Now is this because he is a newby or an inexperienced scum? He is already on the wagon of killing 1 townie. We will see where it goes. 2. brewers and lww seems to be working as a team. By that I mean where one goes the other goes. In D2 brewers voted for kevin followed almost instantaneously by lww. In D3, lww voted for Robert followed almost instantaneously by brewers, even though on D2 he said he found Velocity scummy.They are working 1-2, with none questioning the other. I dont know if this is a scum team or some other faction, but their actions are too closely matched to be ignored. I am only putting this out here now in the event I get killed at night. Something to be aware of. 3. iSocialism seems to be inactive. Maybe a replacement is in order. 4. Lyner is acting weird as well. I am not buying that he did not realize what was going on in D2. 5. Finally the issue of Velocity and jazz. Here also I have a feeling of team work going on but not as blatant as brewers/lww. I am still waiting on jazz to post.

Actually this is a good point with Robert and tony. I was thinking that it was a dick move to kill tony. Almost felt intentional and vindictive and maybe someone from iron was but hurt about him being allowed to play Vote robert While I still think Brewers is scum, I have to agree with his assessment of Robert. Unvote Vote: Robert Wait what? You think brewers is scum but you will still vote with him? You think brewers is voting for his scum partner to be lynched? Or maybe you just want to lynch anyone regardless of whether he is town or scum? Or you are just saying brewers is scum as a cover up in case he turns out scum? FOS zacch I have some other observations also which I will post later when I get some time, but zacchs actions are too bewidering to pass up.

I hit post before I finished. So I will continue.... So anyway, because of the bad play by kevin I am not really pushing for hunting scum on the kevin wagon right now, but I am not counting them out as well, it is much more likely that the people who joined on the kevin wagon later is scum than the ones who jumped on kevin early. Roberts vote on kevin on D2 was pretty suspicious as well. He pretty much jumped on the TM wagon like 30 minutes after kevin voted for him (yes I went back and checked). He was also pushing very strongly and vocally for lynching TM with some even out-of-game reasons. But I am hesistant to get on his wagon yet because this may be exactly what the scum wanted by killing TM in N2 instead of someone who was not on the kevin wagon. Why would robert and hs scum bussies kill someone who will make robert look very scummy while also killing someone on the kevin wagon. It doesnt add up. I will wait for jazz's view on things before I decide which way to go.

Voyeur is a very pro-town role to me. Cant say I have played any game where the scum had voyeur ability. It is much more helpful for the townies because a Voyeur can actually confirm or contradict fake claims by townies/scum. But Kevin really played terribly with this role. He not only claimed for pretty much no reason and then put his vote on someone who could not even defend himself at that point, his choice of night target was kind of strange also. A town voyeur should target someone who is likely to get a lot of action on him, instead he chose iSoc who was very inactive.

This would have been a potentially good theory if the scum didn't kill iSocialism on N1. If they acted for beyond this game reasons, I would say they would have taken out TM or brewers on N1, instead of another IRON member. Another person who has been trying to avoid taking sides and staying on the sidelines. The arguments against Velocity can easily fit jazz also, which I pointed out on D2, except he did later vote for kevin. Its possible Velocity and jazz are on the same team and Velocity avoided hammering kevin because he knew his scum buddy has been forced to vote for kevin and they didnt want too many scum on the wagon.

He started D1 with a similar vote on Velocity, thats why I want to make sure. Plus unsure whether his vote on Velocity is becuase of the reasons you stated or maybe he was sharing some night action results in a round about way.

Well cant say I am surprised kevin turned out to be town. It is unfortunate people piled on him without giving him a chance to prove himself. I am thinking there is at least 1 if not 2 scum on the kevin wagon. They couldnt afford to give kevin the chance to prove his ability and be a confirmed townie. The kill tagets are also kind of weird. First they killed iSocialism who was the least active poster on D1 and then they killed TM who was actually on the kevin wagon. I would think they would want to keep everyone who lynched a townie be in the play. It is possible they killed him to try to frame robert, he was pushing for his lynch for a long while it seems, and they knew TM will turn out town. We have also now lost 2 very important players, the doctor and the JOAT, not counting kevin who could have given some useful info. We really need to start making the right calls and not let the scum draw us into mislynches. Can you explain what you mean? They is D3 and time for lol votes are over.

It takes a while to go through Prestons walls of texts, I have been going through it after taking breaks

Reagrding Thanos and stones thing, I posted regarding this initially. TW specifically mentions Thanos getting a stone after Dr. Strange dies. So it brings up a question on what happens if the scum gets all the 6 stones. He also mentions that Thanos has sent out his lieutenants to find the stones. So I would say Thanos is a Mafia Godfather role with the other scum working for him.

Its possible. I seem to remember a game where scum were given fake names as well, but I dont really remember if they were central characters or not. Anyway, me not voting kevin is not because of the name claim, I just think it unlikely he will take such a big gamble to go out there and false claim, with apparently no good theory lined up about who the townies should lynch on D2. If he planned the whole thing as scum, I would think he would have planned with his scum buddies to set someone else up for the lynch on D2 as well. Otherwise what was the point of claiming? He is too experienced to make such a half-baked move on D2 with a really flimsy vote on another player.

I meant he made a "post" on D2..... posting on phone is crap. Anyway way to bypass my post on you by hanging on a single word.

Either Kevin is playing pretty badly as town or he got caught trying to be to smart as scum. I am saying badly because the reasoning for the vote on tm was extremely weak. I kind of get why he rushed to a role claim if he was town, though I don't agree that it was a smart move if he is town. So basically I have been thinking about which one is more possible. Kevin is a really experienced player and I don't really buy that he will get caught so easily as scum. If it was a noob player it would have been understandable. So I am not going to vote for him he should be given another day or two to prove himself. But I also don't see why tm should be lynched. He hasn't been around for most of this game for no fault of his, and I have no scummy vibes from him from his posts. So I am just gonna go with my gut on this one and vote for the guy who is acting the most scummy imo Vote jazz He made a party on D2 which means he wasn't inactive and then completely went silent after Kevin role claimed, as if he wanted to see his others take his role claim before saying something one way or other. He only showed up after I put out the list of inactives and made one of the scimitar posts I have seen in mafia (I don't t have to mention which). I have some suspicions on some others as well, but I will vote for him now, even though its unlikely that he will get lynched today.

I am not sure if you are really this clueless or its just a cover post. PS. I have the inactive list in one of my earlier posts. Mk and jazz payed once and then has been suspiciously quite. Bryan and Preston hasn't shown up at all on d2