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Nice job Kevin, here I thought it was going to be a more sane game but was very surprised.

Vote: Mariomario180 Definitely a scum candidate as from actions done. Watched EM last night and no one targeted him. (wasn't roleblocked)

And there is the no kill. Any last words until we lynch Mario?

That ends today then. Best of luck.

Gets like that, there is not much more to discuss. Preston and Mario are going to be lynched, right? There has been no reply from either of them so I guess all we can do is see what they are willing to do to defend themselves, not like it will really help their situation. If by some chance Preston is town and he is lynched today, tomorrow we may find ourselves possibly two people short tomorrow (given how many roles Kevin has given).

Yeah. I watched Preston night 1 and was successful (which showed me Rafay targeted Preston) and I watched Lyner night 2 (which I got a 'no result').

I would be more confident in lynching Mario over Preston, that is my preference. But yeah, my reasoning for suspecting Preston (should have stated this above before) is that we already had a townie JOAT but now that the scum have lost one as well, I don't know what to think.

Also takes my suspicion off EM for thinking he could have role blocked me from TBR's results. Sorry for triple post.

I was linked this though "No result" is what investigative roles receive for their action if they are roleblocked or similar. While in the majority of cases players are not informed that they have been blocked, if the player is expecting a result, it is terrible form to simply not tell the player anything (they may assume the mod missed their action or forgot to give their result). Therefore it is necessary to tell the player they obtained no results from their investigation.It should generally not be possible to obtain a "no result" when not blocked; if a role learns that nothing happened, that's not a "no result", it's a result of "nothing happened". For example, a Tracker should be told that his target did not visit anyone, and a Watcher should be told that his target was not visited by anyone. Giving "no result" in these situations is ambiguous and not normal."

Thank you, this will definitely swing my vote towards Mario for today. Seems to be a bit of confusion about role blocking, if Lyner were not to die last night and I got a "no result" I would not have much reason to say I was role blocked. The fact is that I watched Lyner and he died and in return I got a "no result" it makes me think that it was definitely a role block, and it is Mario.

Okay, did not expect that. Hard thing is I can't confirm any of this because I was role blocked, coming from a scum position, EM could have actually role blocked me (for those not reading, I was RBd last night watching Preston) and is throwing suspicion to Preston and the beauty of it is if people did lynch Preston and he turned out a townie, EM can just shift the blame off himself saying it's true what he did and what he believed in. Already seen this before. Coming from a townie perspective he should have jailed me on night 1 (seeing as he viewed myself suspicious) and picked someone other than me, instead he stopped Imran in investigating. So it's obvious EM has done nothing but harm the town so far with his night actions. I am stating my position of suspicion of EM because unless someone has anything else we should know, it will be EM's words against Prestons and right now I have no reason to trust EM considering his actions. That again I don't have complete trust in Preston as well, namely that he can easily say that he protected Lyner, hell, someone could say right now that they watched Lyner and it would be valid (because apparently Rafay is a townie). But very well, let's see what happens, I won't be taking EM's side any time soon though.

I assume it's Nick that is getting replaced? If so if people think Nick is scum then he gets replaced see how the person who replaces him goes, it's difficult to take over from a scum role as an introduced player (been there, done that) and if they were to end up doing nothing like Nick, they have probably already given up and are trying to stay below the radar which is a good sign of scum. Today we are trying to fit the pieces together and be confident in the person that we lynch has a high probability of being scum. I haven't had much to do with this seeing as the only games where I've lived long enough have been scum games but I personally think that someone who has already role claimed is not as innocent as people want them to think, as well as those who haven't claimed at all there is definitely at least one or two bad eggs in there. I'm looking at EM as possibly one of them, I already had suspicions of him at the beginning based on his first actions however his failure to capitalise with my accusers on day 1 (Lyner, TBR) made it seem to me that he didn't want to be seen as a key accuser and when I would had flipped town someone like TBR would have had to cop the flak for it leaving EM fine. Main flaw with my suspicion is that EM was hit on night 1 (who knows what it was, vig/scum) so it sort of makes it less valid. Lack of vig claim makes me think it was probably scum after all for now. As for the second it would probably be Nick for his lack of contributions and general fluff posts, if it is him to be replaced I will be watching his replacement. As for one of those that has already role claimed for someone I suspect, I think Rafay because we already had a townie tracker not only that we have a watcher as well so another investigative ability might not have been ideal to the town. I don't have much solid in terms of eliminating people and having a list and such, I'm stating what I have thought of things so far. So if TBR or Imran have come up with something that does sound solid I would join because it seems to me they are both townies.

I watched Lyner last night. But I got a 'no result'. Role blocked?

I am currently under the impression that the scum cannot be this under powered, unless those two arrows were in fact both from them. I am convinced that at least one of us that has role claimed today is scum.

Fair enough Lyner. If d3mon however does turnout being innocent there will be some explaining to do, namely those who put their votes on him. Though this could be a last ditch effort to save Rafay which people have been waiting for, unfortunately d3mon didn't deny Lyner's claim so the probability of that just decreased by a fair amount. Unvote Vote: d3mon

I also have a bit of a lean to Preston being scum because his role seems a bit over powered for what the town has already. That's just me.

Fair point from Imran. Rafay was going to be the person I planned to put my vote on until I realised he did something other than attempt to kill Preston. This whole mashup with roles is a bit confusing to me and I still don't see how the scum get any fair go from this but perhaps they had the ability to have two shots instead of one? No idea so far, for now my vote will be to Rafay. I do think However that it is possible Preston could be the scummy one after all. It makes sense to me, a JOAT for the scum in light of all of the town's abilities and multiple bullet proof people could be the balance that they need. That's just my thought on it. Vote: Rafay

We are currently going through a chain of events that happened from where I watched Preston, finding out that Rafay targeted him to which he claims he tracked Preston where he found out that Preston targeted Imran. You should probably read through the pages you have missed

Stacked team for the town* just saying that they would seem to be facing a very powerful team of townies if the assumption is that all the mentioned names above are townies.

Okay, that's definitely some information alright. I'm hesitant to say that this whole chain is full of townies because just by seeing at the start of this day, let me get this straight: We have a watcher, a vig, a tracker, a jack of all trades, a cop, whatever the hell Rafay is (I thought people were saying he was the JoaT) not only that, two people that were hit last night didn't die because they were bullet proof I assume and so was Montosh. So what gives? It seems like a very stacked team for the scum, that, or someone isn't giving information that they don't want others to know (namely, the purpose of their actions).

Starting again: We have had two role claims already, well as close as you could probably get to it. I still find it a bit strange that all this suspicion has seemed to almost disappear all of a sudden, especially since there was pressure built on me right on the start of day 2 and now all of a sudden it's fading away. Would just like to remind everyone that the only people who know for sure that I'm a townie are the scum and myself. The discussion is going way too fast* and is moving to more role claims I think and yeah we shouldn't tempt Kevin. I'm interested to see what those three that have accused me will stick to their convictions, move onto a new 'target' or actually split up their votes. I for one haven't really switched suspicion. I will always think Lyner and EM made a stuff up on the first day, but currently am pretty confused right now who to vote by how this is playing. I just find it hard to believe that everyone posting actively right now is in fact a townie which is what makes it hard.

We have had two role claims already, well as close as you could probably get to it. I still find it a bit strange that all this suspicion has seemed to almost disappear all of a sudden, especially since there was pressure built on me right on the start of day 2, . The discussion is going way too far. I'm interested to see what those three that have accused me will stick to their convictions, move onto a new 'target' or

Nah man, just so people know what I said is true

My thoughts so far: Imran and d3mon are going against the grain of others here, d3mon has put suspicion onto a few other people not suspected by many (Imran and Preston, even a bit towards the '100% townie' TBR) and Imran made a bold move to remove Lyner over Montosh in the end of day 1 while today not using gut feelings to dictate his voting choices. To me both of these people offer something different, which is what I like in a Mafia game. Robert, Preston and TBR seem to be offering a lot of the same in my eyes, by who they think is the 'most' suspicious while masking their intentions by throwing in a few other people. It is quite an effective strategy to get someone they want lynched (by the looks of it, starting today it was going to be me until I came out with a little secret) and to build pressure for other people in the game to jump on or even allow a scummy person to slot in and echo their thoughts as well. Not saying that it is necessarily a bad thing, especially if they are in fact townies however can prove to be dangerous if their cross-hairs aren't on the right person and it makes it really easy to just jump on board. For instance Imran and d3mon could have just came here and said exactly the same and then I would be gone. Lyner has made me less suspicious because he is refuting claims against him also by not jumping on board with the general thought of the discussion and adding something else to the talks, taking heed of his thoughts might backfire if he actually is scum but I do want to see more of him today. Would definitely like to see more posts from EM (I suspect he would be right on board with Robert, Preston and TBR about the thoughts on me however), Kaz (who does make good contributions when needed) and Nick (can't say I'm impressed by his posts). Also Rafay please prove that I'm right I don't really care what you did to Preston personally but it seems to be the thing that holds the balance of if they want to suspect me as #1 or not and quite possibly my existence in the game. Anyone who claims otherwise of actions on Preston is a liar, that is exactly the message I got when I watched Preston.

I was actually tossing up between you, EM and Preston to watch. So I suppose I got unlucky.