Lyner

I'm back Interesting stuffs here The reason I'm hesitant to put EM into the scum list is that I protected him at the first night, and no one died last night Also last night's protection seems good so let's do that again We really need EM to speak up against iSoc's claim

I'm back Interesting stuffs here The reason I'm hesitant to put EM into the scum list is that I protected him at the first night, and no one died last night Also last night's protection seems good so let's do that again We really need EM to speak up against iSoc's claim

Well where is Shah and why did he disappear yesterday

This sounds fun lol

Hope we doesn't target the same person again, Yehom Also all your actions tonight will be used to hunt scum, or scums will be using them to frame you tomorrow, be very careful iSoc please check on EM tonight and give us the result tomorrow, disappearance or failure to do so means you're our scum TW tonight is probably a good night to commute Goodluck and goodnight

Good thing we didn't pick the wrong guy as the scums haven't piled on yet Of course that could mean one other thing, that is the mafia isn't sure yet that wagoning today would win them the game which indicates that the kill last night is Vig/SK Also where is Shah

Makes sense, but the claim timing is a bit off Moreso because you claimed that Shah is not vanilla, where did you get that information? In case Shah is a vanilla townie then Shah (and the rest of town) will suspect you

It's almost time Everyone should start voting by tomorrow For now, Vote: Perez

Interesting Do you have any info that can prove your claim, without fully exposing your abilities? Well, some exposure will always be there... Interesting Do you have any info that can prove your claim, without fully exposing your abilities? Well, some exposure will always be there... Please do before we don't have enough time to plan stuffs I'm fine with lynching iSoc or Perez today

Who do you think are the scums, and why?

Interesting Do you have any info that can prove your claim, without fully exposing your abilities?

The Commuter is a role that "leaves Town" each Night, thus making them ineligible to be targeted by Night actions. Two shots means he can only use this ability two times. If there is no shot limit then he can be practically invincible during the night

Yes but he never asked for the name though. I know iSocialism was asking around for names so it would have made sense if iSoc was the Flavor Cop. Mand never wanted it and seemed to be he was basing his votes on TW filp flopping on D2. I asked Mand about the reasons for his suspicions as well and didnt get anything more than that. And yeah I targetted TW last night. Last night the people with unknown roles were you, Mandarijn, TW, EM, Shah and Perez. I wanted to find out an unknown role and find inconsistency in anyones claim today instead of trying to confirm a role. You are pretty townie for me and Shah did not stand out that much. Amongst the others I wanted to see if Mand's suspicions of TW were true as he seemed adamant, so I chose him over Perez or EM. Probably should have gone with Perez in hindsight. Makes sense. Unless Yehom, Perez, and ccabal are working together then it is likely that Yehom speaks the truth I am pretty certain that town won't last another day if we mislynch/no lynch today. Time to lay out all infos. Looking at how good scum was playing I'm also pretty sure they already know who's who What's your role and what have you done during the nights, Shah?

Also my main concern of TW's role as a commuter is that a commuter fits mafia's interest better than town's in this game full of tracker/watch/investigative abilites

Perhaps Mand got a scummy name from TW but is still not sure if a "scummy" name means a scummy role, hence he is trying to push TW to blurt out his name. If TW lied then Mand can safely say that TW is scum. As EM said and what we've seen it seems scums were given fake identities. It is likely that they're given a fake role too(Even Kevin has confirmed that there is an Encryptor). This could explain iSoc's convenient claim as there is no risk of other people counter claiming. Also explain Perez's situation if paired with ccabal. iSoc targetting Shah at night 3 can also means that they're working together(apparently they never try to directly suspect/support each other) And @Imran did you visit TW last night? So to recap: Likely Townie: Imran, Yehom Yehom is confirmed as a protective agent by Perez and claimed as a Bodyguard. Ccabal confirmed that Yehom visited Imran last night, and nothing harmed Imran last night. So unless Yehom, Perez, and Ccabal are working together then Yehom is most likely a townie. Anyway a mafia Bodyguard is useless and unlikely in this game. Scum Groups: 1. iSoc - Shah - Perez - Ccabal 2. Yehom - Perez - Cabal 3. TW - Shah - iSoc I'm actually bothered by the second kill last night. This indicates either a vig, SK, or another scum group. At the first night none died indicating that a commuter or other avoiding ability is used or a protective ability succeeded. If TW and Yehom haven't used his ability it is likely that we have either a vig or SK(as a scum group won't waste time not killing a player at night). The choice of target last night(Robert/Mand) heavily implies that we have an SK, or a bad vig. Well what do everyone thinks?

Give us your name

The Flavor Cop is given the Star Wars character name.Townies were given good-guy names, but no further flavor was implied. Any correlation with game roles and movie character abilities is purely coincidental. Since the only result returned to the Flavor Cop was the Star Wars name, it seems that Mandarijn was assuming that I was scum based solely off of my character (Finn). I think that you were right here Lyner: Well we can start the name grouping, anyone has the list of name? If everyone alive claimed a good guy name then we know scums were given a fake identity that can only be confirmed by flavor cop And ergo your name claim wouldn't be credible and instead, extremely suspicious

Now that was pretty powerful This could explain why iSoc's so adamant about names. Because only scum knows for sure that scums are given bad guy names. On the other hand, that means scums didn't have the list of unused names. Shah what is your character's name?

First night most likely At the second day it wouldn't be beneficial to openly claim you're a cop, much more if your information doesn't contain concrete evidence if someone is a scum(flavor cop is similar like role cop?). Moreover, that day Samus claimed role cop, town would be in a worse position if scum knows two cops right from the start while the town instead doesn't have any info on who's scum At the third day, I don't know Perhaps Mand is just fishing for more info and expect TW to misspoke since the role's allegiance is a bit ambiguous I'm not advocating to kill TW today, at least not yet, it's only one of likely explanations regarding Mand's death I'm more interested in TW's opinion against my accusation And hold your horses about claiming your role, for now Well...

I get what you are saying, but there are many inconsistencies and "wth" factors in his posts. 1. He claims I am scum because Yehom protected me. But he cant say why Yehom will protect me if both of us are scum. We have seen no 3rd party kills in the previous nights which would indicate the presence of a SK or Vig. 2. He apparently knew a 2nd kill will be done on this night and pepared his case based on that scenario. 3. He is very flaky about his actual role. I dont believe he has clearly come out and said what role he has. 4. On D3 he claimed to have a role that he can use every night. We have only seen odd/even tracker/watcher/followers in this game so far. IMO he wasnt sure if he will claim a watcher role so left it vague but made the mistake of revealing earlier he can use actions every night. He may have been worried that the Tracker (Robert) will target him and find out he can use his actions on odd nights, if he had claimed to use them on even nights. They probably targetted Robert for the same reason as well. 5. He claims to have seen TW being investigated. If he had that info why didnt he reveal it on earlier days when Mandarijn was still alive and could have confirmed him. Safe claim to do it after Mand died and no one can confirm it. His claim to watch Samus on N2 also is very convenient now that everyone knows Samus was ascetic. 6. Add all that to his history of lurking and not doing pretty much anything throughout this game, except for this last day when he seems to have emerged from the night with an agenda, not based on any new info he got from the night, but from something that I still am not sure how he arrived at (i.e. TW, me and Yehom are all scum). ps: I forgot to add that he also claimed that Yehom is scum because he protected me but conveniently ignored the fact the Lyner (a confirmed townie) also protected me. So one guy protecting me is scum and the other is not. I am not sure how that makes sense. I do agree that the 1st and 2nd targets are convenient, just like iSoc's claim Now if we can link Perez to his scum friends in a way that makes sense that would be perfect, ccabal is one theory And yes we should start thinking of scum pairs/groups instead of individual scums from now on Because around 80% of Mand's post contains accusations against TW. You wouldn't have that kind of dedication unless you actually had something on him, whatever that may be. Pretty big clues from Mand actually, too bad scums noticed faster. Now about scums noticing it, yes it would be difficult to notice the clues Mand dropped unless you were specifically observing Mand(I myself searched his posts before getting to this conclusion ). Which leads me to believe that TW is scum and his scum friends finally noticed it after the repeated accusations by Mand in day 2 and day 3. Samus claimed cop and shifted scums' priority at night 2. There is of course the possibility that scums just want to trick us, or that we are heading into the wrong direction and scum actually just targeted Mand & Robert because they are both the most active players. Also yes, you look like a townie, as in scum behaving like a model townie. I haven't trusted you yet Scum is obviously playing the inactive card and by this point every townies need to speak up who he thinks are the most suspicious people, instead of following wagon as scums can quickly blend in. Another thing, @iSocialism who do you target last night and why you picked him?

Alright I'm back After re-reading those pages I noticed some stuffs: 1. The choice of target on Night 3 Mandarijn is killed last night because scum noticed he is an investigative role. Mandarijn suspected TW because he flavor targeted him on the first night, now we know TW is a commuter, but I guess Mandarijn thought that TW is a Mafia Ninja since the vague result? Regardless of it, If I was Mafia I won't be that sure if Mandarijn was a cop, and would instead target active people who looks townie(in this regard Robert fits the description and thus got killed), Imran and I wasn't targeted because it's risky. The rests who seems like an active townie are Yehom,TW and Shah(good targets). Mafias targeting Mandarijn means that they are pretty certain that Mandarijn is a cop. Unless the mafias are very observant, then it means TW(who Mandarijn has been pushing to kill) is a scum who finally realized Mandarijn's role(with the help of his scum friends, of course). 2. Perez and ccabal working together seems unlikely IMO, it is risky to claim the actions performed since I might as well be a neighborizer or other stuffs. I'm pretty sure Perez isn't scum since if he is, then his partners haven't been doing a good job Another point is that it would be risky to fake claim in this game. Sometimes in an open game the mod will give the scum faction a list of unused names and roles though. 3. 10 people left Since we haven't lost yet, it means the likely number of scum are 4 with or without 1 SK(the 2 kills on Night 3 support this setup)., 5 scums means we lost and 3 scums would be too few. SK not killing anyone on night 1 or night 2 might be a number of things. 4. I may be able, or not, confirm EM's innocence, but please post your analysis of the game first, the town needs it 5. Current scum list: TW, iSoc,ccabal, with Shah and Finster tied at the 4th place. No concrete evidence yet, just those excellent scummy vibes

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Mandarijn is an interesting choice, why would scum target him? Also it seems like there are multiples of the same roles that need more clarification: I'd start with Yehom, are you a doctor?

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Well I'd love it if R2V can watch me tonight since I'm pretty sure I'm number 1 in scum's kill list Protective ones should target more useful roles like Imran/TW