Lyner

Well should any vanilla townie comes out? If there are some VTs then it would mean that Rhizo isn't necessarily Godfather, vice versa The drawback is scum has easier time sniffing out the cop

Another vague statement Do tell me what my possible role is Because we're supposed to lynch Shah before you came Because getting a lynch would be preferred than a no lynch Because Kaz is too inactive to prove useful, becoming more risky in the later game Also there are a few scums in this game, care to point your other suspects? Supposing I'm a scum: - My scum friends will try to help me, either by voting Kaz or you or not letting the votes reach majority - Clearly voting Kaz is the safest way in this situation - Apparently most of those who are in the Kaz wagon are verified townies, except Roq - Where are the rest of my scum team? Voting for me? Inactive? Scattering votes here and there instead of supporting me?

We bussing now?

Because.....? Let's not pretend yesterday's discussion didn't happen He was the major candidate for lynch yesterday, and today too if we don't gain additional info The only reason Canik is alive today is because we gave him time yesterday to prove Shah isn't scum Apparently I see no reason that points him as a townie, I may be biased so please enlighten me Vote: Canik

Of course scum would prefer active townie dead over the inactive one Can we lynch Canik now? Also I got nothing tonight

If you voted Kazio then it is guaranteed that one will be lynched today Now by tying the votes you risk a no lynch day and scum will use this action in the later days to frame you

And the scum have something to consider instead of blind targetting as well. And tell me how that helps scum over town? It gives both side more information to work with I'm saying the truth or not is not the point. Revealing roles without any results would just hurt town, if you're a good townie forcing me to reveal my role this early without solid evidence is pure scummy move. Also you're already on the verge of being killed so you can easily take drastic measure without any significant losses on the scum side, accusing me is pretty much the only thing you can do by now, eh? At least there is possibility of getting me killed before you got killed tomorrow You honestly believe there is 5 or 6 Mafia with the half-majority rule? I find that insulting to TheWarrior's intelligence and ability as a game-master. Also, basically what you are saying is "everyone voting for me is scum + some inactives!" OMGUS much? Both statements are wrong At least 5 scums are present And Kaz is not voting for me, hell if I was scum I'd have kept my profile low instead of voting you and risk this kind of situatuon. Any more false accusations?

And can the townies please vote? We can figure out all the scums but we still need your votes to win this game

^ I'm glad to have someone with "common sense" here

Something interesting that Chaplain of Death and Finster Baby did: 1. Both comes to defend Canik immediately as a "new guy" 2. Both are silent during the Shah/Imran/AbT debacle 3. Both supports Canik's accusation of me immediately instead of adding more solid facts A coincidence? more like a scum maneuver by using the day talk I'm calling it now: Canik-CoD-FB-Kazio with one or two more suspect, most likely inactive

When you claimed your supposed power, the default setting to that is what you're saying is truth. Now you say it might not be. That is definitely a change in stance, if not technically a full backpedal. The bit about caring about your life, is because you suggest what you did may have been sacrificing your life to defend a more important town role. By suggesting this is what you did, you basically abandon that strategy to defend yourself. Now scum is much more likely to target Mandarjin who very probably has a real power. Unless you BOTH were faking. Yes, strike for the weak side, ignore the main argument Tell us what concrete benefit could scum possibly get from my "I got nothing from last night, sort of" besides cuing that I have some sort of power role. I'm not suggesting I faked claim, I told you one of the possibilities. If you're truly townie you should keep this in mind for yourself instead of trying to reveal my role and risk tonight's targetting. If I claimed some power roles, more power roles will target me tonight and scum will have easier time picking a low profile target. Good thing that you pointed out scum is likely to target Mandarijn, Now they're less likely to target him, no? Now we go back to square one except the town power roles have something to consider instead of blind targetting tonight

Your first paragraph is correct. The doctor needs to know who is cop first Also another problem is sometimes scum has a "block immune" kills that goes through protection Also advises if there is a doc: try to guess who's the most probable scum target. In early days scums will mostly target the most active players or experienced players, while later in the game they will outguess the doctor and try to target the important roles. They will never target inactives

It is one day before deadline and you won't get me killed in time unless the scums joined, meaning: This is pretty much just a distraction so that scum doesn't get killed, or at least a no lynch happened I amend my suspicion: Both Canik and Kaz are scums 1. Can you tell us exactly what info will benefit scum over town? Vagueness is bad you know 2. I don't claim I fake my power, I said I might be, you are repeating Shah's behaviour and twisted my statements. 3. Again, tell me what kind of concrete "lead" that scum has? and which statement of mine indicates "backpedaling"? And about my life? You're making up claims one after another Good point, except that you're biased and nitpicking If you actually read the posts since day 2, Mandarijn and Rafay(and perhaps some other) has dropped hint that they too have a power Second, I might as well be a vanilla/weak role that did that to throw off scum to target me instead of the cop. The possibility is endless http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Lynch_All_Liars unvote Vote Lyner I might have lied, or I might have not. But a good townie should think for himself what's best to make of that information drop.

Good point, except that you're biased and nitpicking If you actually read the posts since day 2, Mandarijn and Rafay(and perhaps some other) has dropped hint that they too have a power Second, I might as well be a vanilla/weak role that did that to throw off scum to target me instead of the cop. The possibility is endless So letting scum know I have a Cop Role would be a bad idea? at least it will be memorable

Much inactives

Good point, except that you're biased and nitpicking If you actually read the posts since day 2, Mandarijn and Rafay(and perhaps some other) has dropped hint that they too have a power Second, I might as well be a vanilla/weak role that did that to throw off scum to target me instead of the cop. The possibility is endless

We need a decision, town The top three people are viable candidates for the lynch: Shah Canik(3 vote), Imran(2), Kazio(2) It's only a few days before deadline and the top guy in the kill list isn't even in the majority area(With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch or 5 at deadline), implying scums are comfortable with the current condition. There are around 5 scums, I'm pretty sure it'd be easy to manipulate the votes in early days. The most puzzling thing is that nobody voted for Shah after his bold declaration, Why wouldn't scum jump on his wagon? If Shah is revealed to be town, the most suspicious person tomorrow would be Imran. Granted, it is arguable that the 4th and 5th votes will be considered opportunistic and hence be suspected, so it is either Shah is scum or the scums are experienced and careful. My suspicions: 1. Shah is scum and scum team is sure he will survive today. 2. Shah is town and Imran is scum, hence his scum friends are hesitating to put the nail in Shah's coffin. 3. Most scums are inactive. My priorites on who to kill: 1. Shah being the obvious choice is replaced so it can be a good idea to reconsider and hear what his replacement have to say 2. Kaz is inactive and Kevin has been insistent, perhaps he found some dirt on Kaz? Either way this is the safest bet for town 3. Imran, well I didn't notice much scumminess from him, but perhaps I'm being fooled by him like the last game Either way it's better than a no-lynch A no-lynch is no good by this point since we have discussed and suspect each other I want to hear our new guy's opinion first, so welcome Canik Unvote Vote: Kaziocore

Awesome

Avater is inactive too, and perhaps killing he will reveal more infos? If we decide the lynch only by inactivity we should've done that from first day Also quite an emotional(desperate?) reply from Shah, I really hope he isn't a confused town because now my neck is on the line No matter, I agree that if Shah is actually town, Imran and AbT are the most suspicious one. That is if we didn't get any additional clues from tonight

I agree, we have 3 days left, no more time for changing target. It's either Shah or Avater today. Both are active on forums but didn't post enough. We need discussion Vote: Shah

FTFY, I won't be here if I don't have a nation You're doing great, now tell us your real opinion on who do you think is/are suspicious and who's not and I'm pretty sure you will look less scummy Wait did you count all the posts manually in the past, Kevin? efforts o_O

Eh we need Avater to post more to determine if he is truly a noob scum, at this point the more inactive he is the scummier he gets IMO Imran's reaction is natural but Rhizo's reaction seems a bit off, either he skipped some posts or it is about the other game Imran and AbT are either scum pair or town pair, I'm leaning on the latter Shah, on the other hand, plays exactly like when he was scum last time, let's see what he has to say Also Rafay I suggest you elaborate more about your accusation against Kaz if you actually have an important clue

wow..really? You think Samus knew on D1 that I was scum? Even before any night actions?lol..okAnd yeah ABT and me will be supporting each other so publicly and so early in the game if we were both scum. I mean I may get that you think I am suspicious but thats just an insult to my intelligence.And if theres a cop, this is to you. By all means feel free to use your investigation action on me tonight. But when you find I am town, make sure you use your next night action on Shah.Cops are more than welcome to investigate me if Imran and AbT turn out to be townies. I'm on the side of letting cop target whoever he wants Also all these arguments seems like towns arguing with each other Imran is far more talkative in this game, though

Seconded

Poor Samus Don't worry once it becomes a trend, the frequent players will adjust their gameplay accordingly Also as Imran pointed out, Kaz and Kevin experienced those first killing streaks too