Yates

B T Dubs - Imran [who is also super scummy] just put me at L-1. That needs to be clear. Theo and EM need to go ahead and unvote because they should both know better. Unless they are both scum. This is particularly true of EM. It makes you wonder why EM would neighborize me if he thought I was cummy, right? Unless, of course, he was a scum neighborizer that thought he could manipulate me tonight. Just some food for thought in case I'm hammered while I sleep.

Absolutely not. I'd rather die than see a doc counter claim. Caught scum claim doc or cop all the time to try to draw out the real doc or cop. This is SUPER anti-Town. CS? Also, a lot of people were wrong about Kevin. He was scummy. Why should I be singled out? Obviously. It is not, however, impossible for that many people to ACT scummy in a game, yourself included. If you weren't mod confirmed I'd have serious doubts about your alignment based on statements and gameplay. Here's the thing; it isn't scummy to be wrong. If I knew who the scum were, this game would be easy. The only way for me to FIND the scum is to point out things that are scummy about individual posts, question it, and hope for a slip. I don't apologize for a single accusation I have made as each one was absolutely warranted. CoD hasn't been posting. Robert strikes me as a noobish follower. Lyner hasn't done anything scummy. Yet. So what's your point? Have you acused anyone of being scum and been right? No? Okay, then. Nope. I played a gambit. Gambit =/= lying. Motivation is everything. A lie would be to say something that wasn't true then not owning up to it. OR saying something that wasn't true and getting CAUGHT be untruthful. I could have just gone the rest of the game or until I was NKed with people [like killgor] thinking I was a tracker. Just Theo, actually. Through my gambit. I gave as much of a role claim as was necessary. If you really need to know? I'm Imhotep. The mummy. I'll let the scum figure out if I'm bp or not. Well, that's true of everyone but yourself, right? Which goes to show that as a Townie you should be suspicious of EVERYONE. Which is why your "point" about me calling so many people scum is silly and, frankly, hypocritical. IF Theo is the doctor, I'm only partially to blame. As Theo admitted himself, he could have and should have handled that better IF he's the doctor. Put yourself in my shoes for a second. You randomly accuse someone of having a night action based on their position on a wagon. Suddenly that person admits to having a night action. Would you NOT want to pursue that?? Don't be ridiculous. Of COURSE you would. And if you claim you wouldn't then you are doing it wrong. There's a chance Theo is Town. There's a chance Theo is a doctor. I'm not betting the farm on it. That said, if he *IS* a doctor, the scum know who he is now and will kill him tonight. No point in pursuing that avenue any further until we wake up and find him alive tomorrow. If he's alive tomorrow? THEN we have more to discuss. Killgor, on the other hand, has been just anti Town enough and in the right position on the Kevin wagon to at least warrant some pressure. If you lynch me today? Look at him tomorrow. You are acting like Theo is a confirmed Town Doc. This is nonsense. Are you saying all I have to do is claim Doc or Cop and magically I'm Town? That's not how mafia works. To be fair, I was baited into that last one by killgor when he claimed I played at a "kindergarten" site. That said, I have no meta here. That means I have no meta knowledge on any of you and none of you have any meta knowledge on me. I *can* tell you that by and large the "Town" play has been unimpressive. You are the only confirmed Town, for example. The fact that you have been pushing anti Town after anti Town agendas has me extremely concerned at our chances of winning. Are you asking me to NOT take my experience into account when it comes to basic mafia theory? If that's what you are asking then go ahead and lynch me now. I can't play like someone that's never seen a mafia game before.

Dear killgor, I did want to address this seperately The fact that you don't think there are absolutely fantastic reasons for Townies to lie is why you would not do well on my "kindergarten" mafia sites. Fact: KevinH was a Townie Fact: KevinH lied His lie was poorly executed and ultimately his undoing but in retrospect I think you can see where his intentions were just. That's how fake claims go, sometimes. I guess I should also take the time to point out the fact that my "lie" wasn't a lie at all. It was a rouse. A bluff. In the absence of investigation results, Town gambits can yield all sorts of good scum hunting information. After the game I'll link you to my "Scummies 2013" nomination on mafiascum.net - probably the single greatest mafia site in the world. But we can talk about all this in the dead thread or post game. XOXOXOXO Your friend, Yates

I wonder if it has anything to do with my warm and caring style of mafia posting that has everyone so lovey dovey. Weird.

So you are pretty sure I'm a tracker. Even though I said I wasn't a tracker. And even though there's a flipped Miller. And even though the only purpose a Miller serves is to throw off a cop. And further, you think I'm Town but want to lynch me anyway. I see. I hope your scum mates feel the same. Come at me, bro. Since the "biggest detriment" to TOWN winning is a mislynch, I'm going to have to assume that when you referred to "our chances of winning" you meant those of yourself and your scum mates. So thanks for that. 1 - Doctors don't counter claim. That's kindergarten stuff. 2 - Theo hasn't flipped anything yet - how would I know his alignment? Are you saying you know he's Town? Because only scum, Theo, and the Mod would know his alignment. 3 - Would you kindly post the quote where I said I'd self vote? FTR - I would never self vote unless it was playing to my win condition. I *always* play to my win condition. That's what makes me so good for the Town and so bad for scum... like you.

So you *know* he isn't scum fake claiming? Cool cool cool. Happy with my vote.

In the mean time, I'm willing to let night actions resolve themselves in regards to the truth value of your claim. So at this point I'm willing to: Unvote Vote: killgor

Wish I could say the same. Here's the full claim some of these people have been waiting for... I'm not a tracker or a watcher or anything like that. I just picked you randomly based on your position on Kevin's wagon and pretended to have an investigation result on you. I figured if you were Town you'd just call me a liar and that would be that. If Town, once you admitted to having a night action you were going to be a scum target regardless. I assumed you would figure as much, which is why I pressed you. I was still hoping you were scum trying to come up with a fake claim. Bad luck if you are a doctor but I had no way of knowing if you were Town or scum pretending. Obviously, this is why I couldn't claim first. I was bluffing. I figured the jig would be up once a Miller was found since the existance of a Miller [a role designed to create a false positive] means we have a cop. A cop would have had a guilty/innocent read on you. A tracker/watcher would need you to clarify. So now the easy question; if you are Town and thought I had seen you perform a night action, why would you vote for me immediately? What role did you think I had? And I don't want to hear that I didn't claim to see a night action on you until after your vote because you had PLENTY of time to unvote. So what's up?

only one that is true. LOL - you must be reading a different game. Every one of those statements is provable by reading THIS game. I'm not going to get sucked into your trolling since the Town can read. If the vig/SK is smart, you'll be the target tonight.

Well, in my defense, I was talking to Imran. But since you decided to invite yourself into the conversation with a provably false allegation, let's converse: Unproductive? Let's see... *I* am the one that got the mod confirmation Kevin was Town *I* am the one that started ANY conversation by making a bold first post *I* am the one that accused someone of having a night action *I* am the one that got that night action confirmed *I* am the one that introduced new information about a neighborizer *I* am the one keeping tabs on lurkers *I* am the one [and ONLY one right now] forcing Theo to be honest - and if he was Town knowing the fate of Kevin I don't see why he wouldn't be And frankly, my contributions go back to yesterday when I cheerlead Kevin's lynch so we would have a wagon to analyze. Sure, it could have gone better if he hadn't lied and we were able to catch scum instead but at least we have SOMETHING to work with. Are you seriously trying to say that following through on that wagon analysis is unproductive and a waste of "precious" time? I kind of wish I was a vig with two day shots right now.

Wait. You slept in the barracks during FTX? Whuuu?

Cool cool cool. So you're saying that you would like to leave open the ability to waffle, to vote the lead wagon so as to not draw suspicion, AND not participate in any of the conversation required to advance the game all while not explaining why you are active lurking. Noted. You realize you were the L-1 vote and killgor was the hammer, right? And that those are two of the worst places to be on a wagon that lynched a flipped Townie? Just think on that for a tick.

When you say "lost our 13th cadet," do you mean they quit, died in a tragic gasoline fight, or couldn't find their way back from an FTX? Because all three are equally likely...

BTW - I wasn't kidding about the trebuchet. Here's a panoramic I stitched together... http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/4976/i3xr.jpg

We were literally tripping over ruins. It got to the point where it wasn't worth stopping to look unless it was REALLY huge, REALLY unusual, or they had a trebuchet. Like at this castle where some jamoke photobombed my pretty castle ruins pic... I'm thinking about photoshopping so the dude is saying, "Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!' http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/2203/ft0h.jpg

For National Security reasons I am not allowed to post "selfies" or the internet will shut down. Think of the children...

@Imran - why are you lurking AGAIN and not posting??

I'd say that's how its going to be until responsibilities gets thrust upon them. Which is why over 90% of the best Officers in the military were NCO's first. I have a funny story related to this about an Officer getting smoked by an NCO [Yes. I said that right. The OFFICER was smoked by an NCO.] but maybe later. [@Sapper - it has to do with a fresh ROTC butter bar and a CSM he called "sarge" Good times!]

@Theo - I probably wont be on when you see this so I have an urgent question for you: Can you tell us anything about EM's alignment based on your actions last night??

Definitely seems to have been leading us to an incorrect conclusion from the get-go, rather than raising possibilities or questions. I agree with you. Which is why I asked him why he was so sure Kevin was scum.

Yes. It was a bit of a ripoff. BUT we *did* get a pretty great view of the City. Plus they had an iPad in there that would tell you what each major building was, which was pretty cool.

You guys... You make me feel so WEALTHY! I'm going to go put on my top hat, cape, and monacle before presenting these images from my trip to London about 3 weeks after the Olympics... http://imageshack.com/a/img845/3549/mn1m.jpg http://imageshack.com/a/img823/4017/f7n0.jpg http://imageshack.com/a/img201/2352/c3cz.jpg

^^ 1st logical post of the day from someone not named Yates. So at least 1 of EM, iSocial, or Theo is scum. If I need to die to prove that? It will be less painfull than banging my head against this figurative wall. Then I will mock people incesently post game because I'm an imature brat.

Until someone says something of value worth responding to or Theo comes clean I'll be V/LA or prod dodging. I'm done arguing in circles.

That's how it feels to have your post ignored. Hurts, doesn't it? Now: 1. Go read my post and respond to my VERY SIMPLE questions. Then: 2. Respond to the post after it and tell us why you were lurking. Thanks.