Lachiton

@SM you investigated both brewers and Medved and got not guilty? But since you got guilty on Robert you believe you're insane? TBH we can't go on trusting any more cop claims. We already has two false claims of cop and you never countered. Though it makes sense for you to go after Robert as you claim you got guilty on him, how were you sure MK was not scum? He claimed your role so even if you go with your investigation results, you will have doubts on MK but it looked to me you were sort of defending him previous day.

Damnit!! Two townie deaths. Not good. also FoS on Lachiton and Nadarr for not voting and being off the MK wagon. Yes he was town but he got busted lying (multiple times at that) and you two plus SM did not cast a vote for him. You really think me not joining a sure shot wagon makes me a suspect? Yes I had multiple chances to vote him but he was already up for deadline lynch. What good would have happened with me joining in? Secure it more than it already was? Yes if someone unvoted then I might have chipped in but I didn't feel the need because there was no danger of it ever happening. If you feel otherwise, you can check my posts from previous day. Also I would like to remind you that with 7 players left we are close to lylo. If we have 2 more scums we have one more mislynch. If we have SK too, today is lylo. Unless we have a vig who can balance the kill but he/she has to be sure and lucky.

Inb4 the thread gets locked. The lack of defense from MK has hurt the discussions from going forward. If he is scum that's actually smart from him because if he knows he can't save himself then no point in spending any energy in depending himself and making his scum partners from either distancing himself or trying to get him out of trouble. That can put spotlight on the rest of them and town can use the information in future lynches. Not the ideal way of playing mafia but sometimes it may work.

We definitely wouldn't want to end early. Since the lynch is already set and MK is uninterested in defending himself, we should talk more about remaining scum members and who they can be. If MK is indeed scum we should now talk about his possible partners. This will also help on our night actions.

I thought iSoc died. Why is he still on the line for mod kill?

You know for sure Kverst is town or he used night action last night? Your last statement is bit ambiguous. Also please no more votes on MK. He is already up for lynch at deadline. We want the day to continue so don't accidentally hammer him.

Yeah I confused it with roleblocker. But brewers already clarified that even then it doesnt clear MK. Only if Rafay has ascetic modifier which stopped Kverst from seeing MK visit him. But then again if that was so, MK wouldnt have got innocent result either. So MK, for practical purposes, is lying through his teeth. No wonder he was trying to wait to see if anyone spills anyone about Rafay so he can make a safe claim. Didnt turn out as he expected.

Now that you yourself have confirmed it, I have a problem with what you are claiming. I watched Rafay N3 and I didn't see anyone target them. CM claiming that he tracked MK is also suspicious as MK did not visit Rafay N3, contrary to what CM posted earlier. vote MK This is quite a big revelation. Unless somehow your results were skewed by a modifier on Rafay or MK, I dont see how MK can get out of this predicament. It's quite a big gamble for scum to claim cop when you generally expect one to be present and risk getting countered. We already have 3 votes on MK I believe which puts him at deadline lynch, so no need for anymore votes on him. So at this point we have a confirmed watcher in Kverst, unverified claim of tracker by CM and a doubtful tending to false claim of cop by MK. Kverst is confirmed for obvious reasons. CM's claim is unverified as he has not given us anything to work with. His RC was bit odd as he had no useful results to share expect no results on MK. Now it can be honest mistake as he might have mistaken no results for none visited action. But he also got no result on iSoc and we all know iSoc's PM fiasco, so he should have known better, Granted mod might have invalidated that action and CM thought thats why he got no result on iSoc. But for arguments sake and because we have no evidence otherwise, we believe him and we presume he was blocked. This means we have scum RB in play. iSoc might have been the reason for CM to get RBed N1 but dont think he would have jailed him on N3. Moreover WP was role cop so he might have known about CM's role. It could have been also a ploy to create a distance between him and MK but at this point even though its unverified, his claim looks genuine. As for MK, the grave is getting bigger and bigger. A watcher's report is quite damning, unless skewed by modifiers. His guilty result for WP was quite convenient for him to sell his cop story. Also if we think about it, he might have been waiting for some clues to make sure he can take Rafay's name without the risk of getting caught but luck was not on his side. I would like Rafay to weigh in here, as he can have an ascetic modifier which made it not possible for Kverst to see his visitor. I think its the only possible explanation which can save MK now. MK couldnt have been RBed as he himself said Rafay turned up innocent in the result. If he was RBed he would get "no results" or something similar. And also CM getting no result means he was RBed, not his target which happened to be MK.

Oh I see I missed that.

Did you track anyone on N2? You said you got no result on both N1 and N3.

Rafay has yet to answer my question. MK's situation is bit intriguing. Because he claimed cop and there is no counter claim yet. Though he might have been emboldened by the fact that WP claimed cop too I think and not Role Cop and he was too not countered. On my phone and at work so can't type long answers. We have time still so we have to be careful with this lynch. MK's careless attitude is not helping his cause and if he is really town cop he should be more responsible with his answers instead of getting riled up.

Ok so I backtracked a little to validate whether Rafay did push to lynch WP second time because I vaguely remembered him not to. You say you pushed for WP lynch 2nd time but people rejected your idea, but last few of your posts on Day 3 say otherwise Care to explain!!

I think he is just defending MK there by drawing parallel to his own argument in favor of lynching WP,

It's not easy trying to catch up with all the walls of text while you just want to sneak peek to see what's happening while at work, lol. Lots to catch up but will do so soon. Still few days left, so no need to rush.

Loss of jailor sucks. Hope we have another protective role to protect cop. Also no result generally means you were blocked. @CM whom did you track N2?

I'm surprised that iSoc is not finding interest in a game when D1 lynch is mandatory and can't end in no lynch. Isn't that what you advocate all the time? This just doesn't seem right with me. Also it's D1, no one has any information so inactives will be poked. Vote: iSoc That puts you at L-1 at deadline I think.

So that's a double confirmation then. I think majority is in agreement that WP is scum. The only problem is whether WP is more than 1 shot lynch proof. If he is then we waste another lynch. If a gov saved him then I guess we can try to lynch him again.I believe your RC at this point. There is no way a scum will risk trying to pose as a cop and out himself as scum if the actual cop showed up. Unless you're emboldened by the fact that WP too RCed cop and there was no counter claim so thid was a clever strategy to fool town.

What's a false btw? MK does have a point though. Lynch proof is too powerful of a role to be infinite shot. But with that being said it can be definitely be more than one shot. Also don't agree with his assertion there might not be a vig. If talking about balance it makes sense to expect the presence of a vig. To me WP is scum but tbh I am not getting strong scum feeling from MK. Just because he is trying to lynch WP again doesn't make him scum. But there's a definite risk of trying to lynch him again as we can't waste another lynch. I am bit unsure as well what to do. Expecting everyone to chip in as we are getting close to deadline and we need to decide fast.

Vote: LordSunday He is talking a lot but nothing much of substance. Classic scum strategy to avoid being tagged inactive yet not really helping town. Also it's new year time so please allow people to settle back to normal routine and start contributing to the game. Anyways Happy New Year everyone!

Wow that's lot of people. So how many scum players? I guess around 4-5 scum.

Presence of a lynch proof or gov in the scum is a huge advantage to them. So expecting the presence of a vig makes perfect sense.

Kverst saw you WP visit SBG the night he died and you also said you did visit SBG but only to investigate. So what this "false readings" you're talking about. Also if you're telling the truth, and thats a big IF, that you didnt know about lynch proof thingy, you must have been saved by a gov. If TW didnt mention in your role PM, chances are you're not lynchproof. Bad news for you if that what really transpired is that would mean you're still scum and your scum buddy saved you. Edit : I just saw the terrible news that has befallen on WP. Sorry to hear about your loss WP, may Lord give you and your wife the strength to cope with this grieving moment.

How come lynch proof means town? And if you were lynch proof why didn't you tell us so before? I am having a hard time you are a lynch proof 3shot cop. @Rhizo - the other role you're looking for who can prevent a lynch is a Governor. Generally gov is a town role but if Gov exists this game and prevented WP's lynch, then that has to be scum aligned gov. No town would have saved a suspected scum who got caught by watcher.

Presence of a lynch proof or gov makes me think there is a vig. Otherwise how we can kill scum lol. WP lynch was ambiguous af. I initially thought TW forgot to flip him. Now I realized he was never lynched lol.

Yup agree. Also if the lynch was prevented someone other than WP, then he has partners. Will his wagon analysis help then? Who else jumped on his wagon and when? Or they may have already known that he is not gonna get lynched so joined very quickly on the lynch. Are you saying that its possible a governor prevented the lynch or that you know for a fact a governor prevented the lynch? The way you worded your post sounds like you might now his lynch was prevented by a gov. Nope I just presented a possibility. But if Gov did prevent the lynch, then both the gov and WP (unless WP is gov) are scum buddies. No town member would have prevented that lynch for sure, has to be scum.@brewers why did u quote that part and igonored the preceding sentence when I specifically mentioned that there MIGHT be a role who can prevent lynch? Without that sentence of course it will sound like I know Gov prevented the lynch.