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I would guess that if both scum and town has same numbers, scum wins. So basically 3-2 or 4-3 town:scum ratio is still a LyLo situation, where the gunbearer townie needs to eliminate scum to continue the game for town. Otherwise it's game over.

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Ahh yeah forgot about that. Makes sense.

Can I come back?

Also lol at this. You seem to be getting most of the things wrong with mafia nowadays

iSoc and Robert chose you lol Medved got killed by brewers.

I actually had the same suspicion as well lol. I had been protecting Jazzy throughout the game and was confident he was town till Shawdi was killed. I was having two thoughts then - 1) Kevin kept me alive to paint me as godfather (which coincidentally was Kevin's line of thought) 2) Jazzy knew I was gonna vote for Kevin from my previous day arguments so kept both me and Kevin alive. I was thinking the worst case scenario might be Jazzy as a SK with cop/tracker role. That is why I waited to place my vote on the last day and wanted Kevin to make his move first. When he didnt show up, I went with my instincts and hoped my trust in Jazzy was not misplaced.

Thank you for the mention. Knowing about extra kills and revealing of iSoc as RB led me to the serial killer theory. Coupled that with Kevin's incessant push for his godfather theory, it became evident that he wanted to derail the discussion. Jazzy deserves credit too btw. If it hadn't been for our perfect first lynch, we wouldn't have got iSoc under the scanner so early. Also it helped me stick with the one confirmed townie. I was hoping to survive as long as I can and help Jazzy survive till the end as well. I only needed him to trust me, so in hindsight I was happy he decided to investigate me and after that it was perfect time for me to role claim and put forward my suspicion of a SK presence. Well played Kevin as well. Playing as SK is never easy as you are essentially alone and Kevin being the veteran, covered up his kills very well and almost won it for himself.

I was almost sure Kevin was the last scum on D5 and depending on the extra kills I blocked and voting patterns, it was quite evident we had a SK. But I need some clarification here - I got 2 "Successful" messages from Rafay, on N2 and N3 while protecting Jazzy. I thought I had blocked 2 attempts to kill him, which eventually led me to believe we have one scum who got an extra kill. I initially thought we might have a mafia JOAT, especially after Jazzy was blocked on N3. But after iSoc came up as RB, I was confident we got SK who was extremely crafty and surely a veteran. Kevin fit the bill perfectly. So to be fair, the successful messages I got back helped a lot in making up my mind about SK. So I am confused as to why I was given those messages if mafia didnt target Jazzy (why wont you target him btw?). Rafay says it was N2 where mafia didnt submit a kill, iSoc says it was N3, again confusion lol. How would you have framed Kevin though? If you even figured out there was a SK, it would have been a wild guess as to who it was. Besides Kevin had more townie cred than you at that point and even if you successfully framed Kevin, there was big possibility he would have been town and you would have been dead man walking after his lynch. So without being sure it was Kevin as SK, you would have been taking a huge potential risk. Also if you have not been lynched and revealed as RB, presence of a SK wouldn't have crossed my mind either. Mafia JOAT is what my assumption was before your lynch.

Alright so Kevin is MIA and with deadline approaching I have to place my vote. I am quite confident Kevin is our last scum, but if Jazzy turns out scum I will say well played and town wouldn't have figured it out in any way. Also quite sure our last scum is SK. Vote: KevinH (Remembered to bold it this time lol)

@Kevin - Probably your last chance to defend yourself.

I had pretty good inclination that it wasn't you. I asked Jazzy to investigate you just to be safe. Anyways I protected Jazzy as promised but he was not targeted. Surprised I wasn't targeted and not targeting Jazzy makes sense. So Kevin anything more to say?

Godfather with an extra kill? Lol talk about overkill. Also godfather has been a recurring theme for you ever since WP was found not guilty. Now you're even reaching with Godfather with extra kill in a 10 player game, with scum RB also present? It's funny btw when you're not convinced that I am doctor but seem to agree about the extra kill that didnt go through. Huh?? A doctor can save only 1 townie so if there's multiple targets are up for kill, how am I supposed to save all of them? And I had to save the only PR townie I knew about. Also you're forgetting there was no kill on N3 because of me. So why shouldn't I state the fact and get credit where it is due? Right back at ya. That is why I feel you're the last remaining scum and with the way mafia were lynched, most probably a SK. SK is a much more plausible role than a mafia godfather with an extra kill IMO.

Ok so some possible theories suggested by Kevin. I know I am town and I going to provide you additional proof of that shortly. I am convinced Jazzy is town cop, there's no doubt about that. So let's cut down to the chase and let me tell you what I know and figured out. I am not VT but a Town Doctor. I am happy to have survived this long and most importantly helped Jazzy survive. Good news is I was let know whether I was successful in protecting my target. Let's summarize my night actions N1 - Protected Kevin. Nothing else to note as Kevin was not targeted that night. N2 - Protected Jazzy after Robert's lynch and was successful. We had 2 other kills that night. My theory is mafia tried to kill Jazzy but failed because of me. That seems more likely as iSoc didnt try to RB Jazzy as they were killing him anyways. Medved was probably killed by brewers for staying out of Robert's lynch and brewers was killed by the last remaining scum. N3 - Again protected Jazzy and was successful again. We had no kills that night and Jazzy was RBed by iSoc. N4 - Protected Jazzy but WP was targeted instead. So taking all the above into account, the last remaining scum can either be the lone mafia member with extra kill ability or SK. I am leaning more towards SK seeing the voting pattern of both Kevin and Shawdi. Aside from Shawdi being a little hesitant in voting for Robert initially, but that can be because of vagueness in Jazzy's claim, there's little to separate both of them. I already knew about the extra kill that didnt went through and that is why I put that concern out but I guess iSoc tried to downplay that. When Jazzy was blocked the following night, I told about my suspicions of a scum JOAT (you guys can check out my posts previous day). Between Kevin and Shawdi, one is town and the other mafia/SK. If there's a mafia, he/she cant be godfather for sure, unless someone brings forth a PR which can act as godfather and have an extra kill. So here it is what I propose - We dont lynch on this day. Tomorrow after the night kill, there will be 2 town and 1 scum and we will be still in LYLO. Jazzy visits Shawdi to eliminate the suspicion of presence of mafia. IF she turns out town, she is definitely town. More I think, more I believe Kevin is SK so investigating him will not help here. I have your back Jazzy so you cant be killed. I am most certainly dying so dont miss your last chance of making sure town gets to lynch the last scum tomorrow. Do you agree with the plan @Jazzy?

No ideas yet from anyone? We have 1.5 days before deadline and we need to figure out our last scum.

Well Brewers started train. And without a role claim, town really was just trusting me lol. Mafia could have honestly chucked my lynching of Robert to luck, thinking I really did just want revenge for last game and capitalized on Brewers' joke vote. Risky but possible. Let's say they targeted brewers instead and I am also assuming scum targeted brewers instead. But wouldn't that have been safe if you were blocked at least (we now know that iSoc was scum RB) on N2. Incidentally you were role blocked on N3 and we had no kill that night. Some valid questions we need to introspect. Once we form an idea about all this, I think it will help us catch the last scum. I have some ideas as well which I will share later. First I need to go through the thread to read everyone's posts and how they interacted with each other.

Hold on guys. Dont vote on assumptions yet. I was hoping Jazzy would investigate the other two and not me. This happened I think because Rafay didnt count my vote as I forgot to bold it ( well that should have been pointed out instead and my name shouldn't have been in the Not voting category). Anyways today is LyLo, so we cant mislynch. So before starting off lynch wagons let's get to know what everybody think about the multiple kills that happened on N2 and why we had no kill on N3. Why Jazzy still alive after he helped lynch Robert on D2? Even though he didnt full claim it was almost certain that he was town and he could have been cop/tracker (remember iSoc tried to get the answer following day by asking did he see Robert doing the kill) Bear that in mind we cant afford mislynch so dont be in a rush to vote.

Also pray there's no SK and we have a 3rd mafia member to find. I know I am town and Jazzy by all accounts seems like a genuine cop to me. So it's either KevinH and Shawdi. Both of them had been on both scum's wagon so this is gonna be a close call.

Why the hell my name is in here when I was the first to vote on iSoc? Please see my post here I am seeing you harping the same point again and again that I agreed with iSocialism. Can you point out what did I agree with him on? You seem to ignore all my posts when I was pointing out it's either Kevin or iSoc and I felt iSoc was the more scummier. I hope Jazzy got us some good news!!

We need to lynch to win. I cant decide between Kevin or iSoc, but right now iSoc seems more scummier to me. @Wolfpacks I dont really know you're getting this impression that I have been after you since Day 1. As far as I remember I have not suspected you of anything until the previous day where we were suspecting those who didnt vote for Robert. I was just countering Kewvin's claim that I purposely saved iSoc as I was genuinely not online to cast the hammer. You were present there at that time but didnt place your votes on him. While you said you were not convinced iSoc is scum but now you're now doubting your own decision. Anyways I saw iSoc lurk here earlier but didnt post. Vote : iSocialism

Thanks guys (scum) for killing me n1! I promise to return the favor when I have the killing power Go get them town!!

you are still alive lol

It's worth to note that all the votes came at the fag end of the deadline. I couldn't come online at that time. Wolfpacks came and refused to hammer iSocialism because of "gut feeling". So if anyone saved iSoc it was him and we would like to know if his "gut feeling" was iSoc is not scum, then he should have in mind who is scum. Town has to lynch to win. Dont understand this point. Even if iSoc is scum why would you be a better target than a cop? If we have a jailer, he might have protected Jazzy. But the problem with that is that will also neuter cop's abilities. And it still doesn't answer the question why was Jazzy not targeted on the night after Robert's lynch? I am thinking because of multiple kills that night and also since we had a vig, maybe there's a scum JOAT.

No kill, best situation for town except Jazzy getting blocked. So we are basically in Day 3 situation. Let's see if someone else has some knowledge about this.

Unvote I guess you all are forgetting about the 2 kills. What if brewers didnt use his vig kill? That means scum has power to do multi kills in some nights or x - shotted. So if that's the case then I dont think we have a Godfather, which means WP is town. WP and Shawdi you guys need to share your thoughts and whom we should lynch if you're town. We are in crunch time now. When is the deadline btw?