I think Karl is a VT, if we play it right then the town can still win even with this set back. 

Though going into Day 3 we can make no mistakes.

Yeah, I Think he is VT too. We are at a disadvantage without his vote though. Today should be okay as I can't imagine anyone but Rafay being the lynch, but tomorrow we might actually need his vote.

 

By the way, Shepard, I think it's about time that you put your vote on Rafay now.

He has access to the thread for dead people. Therefore he does have knowledge that would effect his game play.

 

I didn't know that, but yeah, obviously he can't replace then.

I'll put on my vote on him after Nerau says something, which should be today.

Well that's enough time.

 

Vote: Rafay

 

Rafay flips goon

Night 2 actions:

- vig NK Lyner (if he doesn't KevinH is scum)

In this scenario, Lyner could be the Serial Killer, so my shot would be blocked. 

Is Euclid trying to set me up?

 

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

In fact, I would love to totally clear him.

 

Unvote.

Vote: Lyner.

 

This course of action guarantees the real Roleblocker will get an action tonight.

 

Scenarios:

 

Lyner flips townie

In this case, I'll announce my kill: It will be Euclid.

 

Lyner flips scum

This will pretty much confirm Euclid as townie.

The two remaining scum will have to choose among the known power roles.  Hopefully they'll make the same choice.

I'll kill whomever I most suspect to be scum.

 

 

 

 

Rafay flips goon

Night 2 actions:

- vig NK Lyner (if he doesn't KevinH is scum)

In this scenario, Lyner could be the Serial Killer, so my shot would be blocked. 

Is Euclid trying to set me up?

 

 

In this scenario, if Lyner doesn't die Night 2, we lynch him Day 3. If Lyner flips goon it would prove that you are scum, if he flips SK it wouldn't.

 

I made this clear in the next part of that post. The part that you failed to include as it wouldn't fit your story of me trying to set you up. So to be honest, it looks more like you are trying to set me up actually.

I would like to point out to all non voting townies that in case of a tie the lynch will be the first to get their final vote. It was exactly by this rule that Lyner got us to lynch a known townie yesterday. So, pretty please start voting already. You can always change your mind later so there is really no reason not to vote.

Vote: Lyner

 

I want to hear more from him

 

hes has yet to post anything in my opinion worth anything dissapproving these allegations

I can't say I agree with voting Lyner and I doubt he has much of a defense as you can't defend much against that.

The most he could so is ask the question as to if Euclid is lying and is scum and beg for his life.

That doesn't interest me much, but I guess it may be entertaining. 

 

I suggest that KevinH should NK him instead.

@KevinH

I think my plan to lynch Rafay and NK Lyner would also work if we do it the other way around. I prefer the Rafay lynch as I think he is the more likely SK of the two, which is IMO the important thing to consider here.

 

A Rafay lynch could also tell us something about Shepard' claim. I guess a Lyner lynch could similarly say something about my claim. From my perspective the latter is obviously irrelevant though.

 

Anyway, KevinH, my question to you is: if we lynch one of them and they flip scum, do you agree that you must NK the other because it simply is the best play?

 

 

@Shepard

Do you agree that you should definitely not block KevinH tonight?

Busy weekends

 

 

 

Bandwagoning already? There's not much I can say more to prove my innocence except providing alternative theory

 

Euclid lied, so he's either a vanilla or a mafia, can't see him as a SK. Let's assume he's a mafia

He claimed I try to lynch a known townie, killgor. Well if I AM one of the scum I'd say I [excuse] so I missed the voting, it doesn't even matter who gets lynched, they're both townie :|

Therefore his reason to investigate me is weak. Also I didn't unvote because killgor's reaction to my vote is bad

Let's see what happened if I get lynched tonight

I turned out as townie, Kevin NK'ed euclid, Euclid's partner NK'ed Kevin(or not, if he believes he's not under suspicion), and SK will NK one of the following: Nerau, Rafay, Commander Shepard, Imran Ehsan, Xx Karl xX

I don't think Nerau and Karl will be NK'ed for they rarely post and it's favorable, Rafay and Shephard is currently battling each other, one of them is scum, and Shephard's probably Euclid's partner IMO. Then I guess Imran would be the target, unless he is the SK which means Nerau would be the target

Now that leaves us with Karl, Shephard, Rafay, and Imran/Nerau. Rafay and Shephard will vote each other, aand the townies are in a really bad position, of course this is ignoring the power townies. This might be a risky move by mafias but the odds are not bad :|

 

That's all for now I guess, I won't vote yet until I figure out the SK and said it all

 

 

I'm a townie. Therefore Euclid lied.

 

@Shepard

Do you agree that you should definitely not block KevinH tonight?

 

I will probably be blocking some one, most likely Lyner.

Lynching the person with the greater aspect of being the SK is more important.

I may have wanted him to be mafia before Euclid came forward, but lynching a SK is more important for the town's townie pop.

 

And if Rafay survives and is the SK then I'm not sure what I will do during the night.

If we don't lynch the SK we have a greater chance of losing as there could be 3 deaths during the night which could give the upper hand to scum and the game.

With the SK lynched I have a greater chance of deciding how many people get killed during the night, could be just 1.

If Lyner is scum, I think he has a high chance of being the serial killer because I don't see him teaming up with anyone.

 

If Euclid is townie, then my whole theory about he and Shepard being scum buddies falls apart, so Rafay is indeed the next most suspicious.

 

However, if Lyner flips as a Mafia goon, then Rafay may be the Serial Killer and has 1-shot immunity to my kill.  However, I think it' worth the risk.

 

If Euclid is confirmed as the Dietician, he'll get a chance to investigate again and hopefully find the 3rd scum.  Both scum factions are in a dilemma because they don't want the Dietician to discover the truth about another player (whether townie or scum) and reveal it, nor do they want the roleblocker around to stop their night kills, nor do they want me around to make my own night kill.

 

It would be bad for the town if I killed somebody that Euclid investigates, so despite the disadvantages of letting the scum know my target, I will announce it: if Lyncer is scum, I will night-kill Rafay.

 

Rafay, if you are the true role-blocker, go ahead and block me.  That will help the town with the decision to lynch on Day 3.

 

Euclid, don't investigate Shepard or Rafay.  You already seem convinced of Rafay's guilt, but the test of his ability to role-block me should tip the scales one way or the other.  If I get night-killed, then there's a greater probability that you'll live and can share your results.

 

If I get night-killed but Rafay lives, then that will look bad for Commander Shepard.

 

I like this plan.

I just considered that my failed kill on Rafay might be the result of the Serial Killer's one-shot immunity rather than a roleblock.

My plan is not so ingenious but I'll still stick with it as the best option.

@KevinH

I think it is in the best interest of the town if I don't say too much about who I'll investigate. Obviously it won't be Lyner or you as both have already admitted to be cannibals.

I just considered that my failed kill on Rafay might be the result of the Serial Killer's one-shot immunity rather than a roleblock.

My plan is not so ingenious but I'll still stick with it as the best option.

I guess this is another reason to lynch Rafay and NK Lyner instead of the other way around. Since Lyner obviously isn't the RB he can't block your NK and thus if he doesn't die we know that either Lyner is the SK or you didn't target him. If we do it the other way around and Rafay doesn't die in the night there'd be the third option of Rafay blocking you and thus we would have less information to go on the next day.

 

Anyway, you say that if Lyner flips scum you would NK Rafay. Great. I agree that that would be the right course of action. That only leaves the other part of my question. If we flip Rafay as scum, will you then NK Lyner?

EBWODP: Correction, Lyner has not admitted to being cannibal, the mod told me he is.

If Lyner is scum, I think he has a high chance of being the serial killer because I don't see him teaming up with anyone.

 

Why don't you see him teaming up with anyone?

 

 

 

If Euclid is townie, then my whole theory about he and Shepard being scum buddies falls apart, so Rafay is indeed the next most suspicious.

 

I don't like how you're judging me over someone agreeing with me.

I think your theory is misguided and based on almost nothing.

 

 

 

However, if Lyner flips as a Mafia goon, then Rafay may be the Serial Killer and has 1-shot immunity to my kill.  However, I think it' worth the risk.

 

If Rafay flips Mafia goons there is a good chance Lyner is his buddy and the SK is someone else.

 

 

 If I get night-killed but Rafay lives, then that will look bad for Commander Shepard.

 

I like this plan.

 

 

Your plan sucks, mainly because for some reason it is my fault if you die if when don't lynch Rafay and Rafay survives the night.

If I get night-killed but Rafay lives, then that will look bad for Commander Shepard.

I like this plan.

 

I just considered that my failed kill on Rafay might be the result of the Serial Killer's one-shot immunity rather than a roleblock.

 

Your plan sucks, mainly because for some reason it is my fault if you die if when don't lynch Rafay and Rafay survives the night.

It won't look so bad for Commander Shepard because of the fact that Rafay could be the Serial Killer or the Roleblocker ... which is pretty much the case we have now.

 

OK, I'm on board with the Rafay lynch which will expose Shepard if Rafay's the Roleblocker.

 

Unvote.

Vote: Rafay

 

I'll night-kill either Shepard or Lyner if Rafay is the Roleblocker.

Lol sorry I skipped over that post.

Since Rafay is at L-1 now... before anyone hammers...

 

KevinH, will you NK Lyner if Rafay flips scum?

Shepard, will you not block KevinH?

If Rafay flips as the SK I will not block KevinH.

If he flips as a Mafia goon I will not block KevinH.

I promise.

 

I will probably go with someone else not that is not a known scum if Rafay flips as a SK.

If Rafay is scum, I'll NK Lyner.

Now that KevinH and Shepard have answered those questions... I wouldn't have a problem with someone cutting the day short by hammering Rafay. If someone wishes to explore something further though, that's okay by me too of course.