So people have replied to my comment, and I still think lynching Rafay is the best choice for today, we'll have to see what happens during the night phase

 

Vote: Rafay

 

Vote count 2.3

 

 

 

Nerau (0) - 

KevinH (0) - 

Rafay (5) - Euclid of Alexandria, Imran Ehsan, Commander Shepard, KevinH, Alternate Tree

Commander Shepard (0) -

Lyner (1) -  Nerau,

Imran Ehsan (0) -

Euclid of Alexandria (1) - Lyner

Alternate Tree (0) - 

 

Not Voting - Rafay,  

 

Rafay, Cannibal Mafia Goon, has been lynched.

 

Among his possessions the town discovers the remains of Kaziocore, Vanilla Townie

 

It is now night 2, night actions to me by 7:00 PM PST Wednesday.

As day 3 dawns, the town assesses the results of the evenings extra-curricular activities.

 

The remains of KevinH, Cannibal Vigilante and Lyner, Cannibal Mafia Goon, are found scattered inside a wagon where it appears they attempted to devour each other alive, neither seems to have truly succeeded. 

Among KevinH's possessions, the remains of Martino, Vanilla Townie, are found.

 

Euclid of Alexandria has gone missing.

 

 

Nerau (0) - 

Commander Shepard (0) -

Imran Ehsan (0) -

Alternate Tree (0) - 

 

Not Voting - Alternate Tree, Imran Ehsan, Commander Shepard, Nerau

 

With 4 alive it takes 3 to lynch.

Nobody is the current wagon leader.

Deadline is Tuesday, June 13, at 7:00 PM PST.

Well KevinH gamble paid off

 

2 down one to go

 

• Do not talk after you are dead or replaced except for a brief Bah!-type post that contains NO game related information.

 

B

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Nice.

 

Although I am bit confused. Wasnt Commander Shepard supposed to role block Lyner?

No I blocked Nerau, I figured Lyner might of been the SK so I just let that sort itself out.

I never stated who I would block but I hinted the most at blocking Nerau,

The SK killed Euclid it seems though.

So the only town power left is me, that means it is me and two VT's.

And I can confirm for sure Nerau is not Rafay's partner but that is not what I wanted to find out and not how I wanted to find it out.

So it is two VT's and 1 SK who must talk and discuss with me who gets lynched, not the ideal situation.

 

But anyway I am voting to lynch Imran from the get go, there is little between you and Imran is one who sticks out the most for me.

 

Vote Imran

Also, we know the SK killed RoT and Euclid. 

I'm suspicious of Imran, but I am not convinced by Commander Shepard either.  He claims to be the roleblocker, but we haven't seen him hit anyone with it.  I believe he is the SK and killed the roleblocker and is now roleclaiming as him.

 

Vote: Commander Shepard

I would like to get the 2 VT's to follow my strategy to end the game with the Town winning.

 

• I know I am the town roleblocker, Rafay being the Mafia goon makes my claim more legit.
  To suggest I am the SK is to suggest that RoT was the town roleblocker we more or less know for sure the roles of everyone that died so far.            Not an attack on the person that said it but that is only a risk a SK would do, the SK would go into a game winning position if we lynch the wrong person.
  It is also to suggest I killed the Euclid the Dietician who probably trusted me almost fully and would vote to lynch and investigate every other player before doing something against me.

 

• Alternate_Tree, I assumed the role he walked into was a VT, I figured the last people to hold that role were too inactive too be the SK as they're far more likely to lose interest if they're a normal VT.
  I assumed this for most of Day 2, however now he is voting me with a strong conviction which I believe is a SK tell especially considering I am claimed to be the role blocker, the only role that has not been confirmed dead.

 

I was originally set on lynching Imran in my strategy as I believed the SK was most likely to be between Imran and Nerau.

Which would mean I would not be voting Alternate_tree or Nerau as I assumed Alternate was a VT and I could block Nerau tonight so if he was the SK we would stop him from winning and all we have to do would be to lynch him.

 

However now I less likely to believe Alternate as his decision to vote me is not something I think a VT in his position will do.

The strategy is to neutralize two players, lynching one and blocking the other.

The problem is I would have to trust the person that I would not be voting to lynch would be the SK.

I definitely won't be voting to lynch Nerau as I can block him in the night.

I was set on lynching Imran but now I am going to vote Alternate for his ridiculous of an outburst against the person most likely to be town for next to no reason(I already stated I roleblocked Kazicore and Nerau).

 

Unvote

Vote Alternate_Tree

Alternate_Tree, if you're a townie.

Then you may have just doomed the town, if Imran is the SK then I can no longer vote him as the only reason I voted him was because I believed you were most likely to have stepped into a VT position after the two previous players went highly inactive.

But I no longer have that same conviction to vote Imran.

 

I can still stop the SK if the SK is Nerau.

No I blocked Nerau, I figured Lyner might of been the SK so I just let that sort itself out.

I never stated who I would block but I hinted the most at blocking Nerau,

The SK killed Euclid it seems though.

 

Thats a very strange reasoning. Rafay flipped scum...which means Lyner would be either Cannibal Goon or the SK. He was the only one NOT voting for Rafay. This looked very straightforward to me that if Lyner is scum this means he is Rafay's fellow partner. The SK will not care if Rafay got klynched, in fact he will be happy that his competition is getting killed and his one of his threats being eliminated. So if Lyner is the Cannibal and you are the roleblocker, you should be blocking him, so that KevinH or another townie role doesnt get NKed in the night too. At one strike, townies would have taken out two scum while losing only 1 (killed by the SK). But as it is we lost two townies..with both probably being power roles. How was that good choice on your part to block Nerau?

 

No I blocked Nerau, I figured Lyner might of been the SK so I just let that sort itself out.

I never stated who I would block but I hinted the most at blocking Nerau,

The SK killed Euclid it seems though.

 

Thats a very strange reasoning. Rafay flipped scum...which means Lyner would be either Cannibal Goon or the SK. He was the only one NOT voting for Rafay. This looked very straightforward to me that if Lyner is scum this means he is Rafay's fellow partner. The SK will not care if Rafay got klynched, in fact he will be happy that his competition is getting killed and his one of his threats being eliminated. So if Lyner is the Cannibal and you are the roleblocker, you should be blocking him, so that KevinH or another townie role doesnt get NKed in the night too. At one strike, townies would have taken out two scum while losing only 1 (killed by the SK). But as it is we lost two townies..with both probably being power roles. How was that good choice on your part to block Nerau?

 

I don't think it would changed anything other than the day we end.

And perhaps it would have made the SK more likely to win as KevinH would have been still high on my scum list.

 

I don't have the choice to go back now and see, the current position is acceptable.

Also Nerau was not voting Rafay.

#370 by RoT

 

 

From what I've seen, I'm inclined to believe Rafay and I don't think we should lynch him for today.  Maybe wait to see how the night goes before we decide.

 

So to suggest he was the RB, is to suggest he played the exact same game I played except he died.

It is to suggest he also tried to deceive Rafay.

I'm suspicious of Imran, but I am not convinced by Commander Shepard either.  He claims to be the roleblocker, but we haven't seen him hit anyone with it.  I believe he is the SK and killed the roleblocker and is now roleclaiming as him.

 

Vote: Commander Shepard

 

 

Although I do have doubt.

You literally seem to have no idea as to RoT being the only player logically capable of being a dead RB.

I know we know Euclid role is not known but he most likely definitely was the Dietician.

You don't seem to know the only player that could fit the role of been the RB is the dead RoT.

You just say I killed the RB who you do not name.

 

I would almost unvote you for that reason since you did not read the situation fully and voted me when you didn't know that info.

But how do I decide between you an Imran.

I'm confused.  You say you think that I am a townie, yet you vote for me.  I want to believe that you are the roleblocker, but you have given no evidence to support it.  You haven't successfully roleblocked anyone so there is no evidence.  Now Rafay says he roleblocked Nerau, which we can see as a false statement since he was a scum.  Commander Shepard, you say you roleblocked Nerau, and didn't get any information back.

 

Mod, you don't tell the RB if they hit the SK 1 shot immunity correct?

I forgot this point, I went through the rules quickly and thought that you would have a RB failed comment if Nerau was the SK, that was where most of my confusion came from

I also misremembered that you had RB Rafay, but it was Kaz

 

This leaves a couple options.  Assuming Euclid was the Dietician, which can be confirmed because Lyner was a cannibal, we have a couple options.

One, we have CS as the RB and then the SK is one of the remaining 3 people.

Two, CS is the SK and he killed the RB on the first night and has been claiming it ever since.

 

I am a townie, and so I have a choice between the last 3 people.  If CS is the RB, then the logical choice to lynch is Imran, since CS says he RB Nerau, then when we lynch Imran, he can RB Nerau and have it go through, so all town survives the night and we can win the game.

 

On the other hand if CS is the SK, then the game is over.

 

Unvote

 

I'd like to hear thoughts by Nerau and Imran before voting again

I thought your voting was an attempt by the SK, I am not 100% sure the role you picked up was the VT but I assumed it was for a long time.

It is just your posting caused me to doubt it greatly so much it changed my thoughts on my strategy completely.

 

To hell with it, alright after the disturbance this will definitely be my permanent vote for the day.

I trust Alternate more than Imran so I'm voting Imran again.

 

 

 

He was the only one NOT voting for Rafay.

 And mainly for the strategy and the quote above.

It is a complete lie and I believe an attempt to attack the RB.

 

Unvote

Vote Imran

I thought your voting was an attempt by the SK, I am not 100% sure the role you picked up was the VT but I assumed it was for a long time.

It is just your posting caused me to doubt it greatly so much it changed my thoughts on my strategy completely.

 

To hell with it, alright after the disturbance this will definitely be my permanent vote for the day.

I trust Alternate more than Imran so I'm voting Imran again.

 

 

 

He was the only one NOT voting for Rafay.

 And mainly for the strategy and the quote above.

It is a complete lie and I believe an attempt to attack the RB.

 

Unvote

Vote Imran

 

I will address this first as it was my mistake. I will put forward my thoughts on the rest of the stuff in a little bit as I have to run now.

 

I had a quick look at the final vote count which was this:

 

 

 

Nerau (0) -

KevinH (0) -

Rafay (5) - Euclid of Alexandria, Imran Ehsan, Commander Shepard, KevinH, Alternate Tree

Commander Shepard (0) -

Lyner (1) -  Nerau,

Imran Ehsan (0) -

Euclid of Alexandria (1) - Lyner

Alternate Tree (0) -

Not Voting - Rafay,

 

I really overlooked Nerau voting for Lyner there.  It stuck out that Lyner was voting for Euclid and I had the impression that everyone else apart from Rafay was voting for Rafay.

 

So that was an oversight on my part. I dount see why I would want to lie about that when the above vote count is right on this page even.

OK so the situation is whether CS is the real role blocker or the SK masquerading at the RB..which would mean RoT was the RB as he was killed by the SK on Day 1. I know I am a VT and I think my posts from the last 2 days will show that too. The situation has been maneuvered into such a position that we need to have complete belief in CS as the Real RB or town loses. Will the real RB want this to be the case on Day 3? I dont think so.

 

If CS is the SK and we lynch one of the remaining townies, that means town loses as he can easily kill one more townie at night and win. Lets look at N2 assuming he is the SK. He knows Rafay is scum and as there were no counter-claims to Euclid, that would mean Euclid was the cop that means Lyner is the second goon. What will the SK do in this situation? He will kill the only threat remaining to him, which is the Cop.

 

I was confused why CS did not block Lyner on N2. If he was the real RB, I am almost positive he would have blocked Lyner on N2, which would have meant there were 4 townies left today. Instead he chose to RB Nerau and bring the situation to today were we HAVE to believe that he is the RB or town loses. Lets say he convinces the 2 VTs to lynch the 3rd VT. Its a sure win for him...a perfect situation for the SK. The real RB is dead so only one mislynch means the town loses. If he was the real RB why would he chose such a scenario? He would have IMO blocked Lyner. So unless Lyner was the SK that would have prevented this complete dependance on believing in CS's role.

 

CS gave the reason that kevinH was high on his list as the SK thats why he didnt attempt to block Lyner. My question is 1) How did you know that Lyner will target kevinH and not Euclid? It seems to me like you are making up justifications for not blocking Lyner last night as you go. You had no way of knowing he will target kevinH or are you saying that Lyner killing Euclid would also have been OK? Was he on you list as a possible SK too?

 

2) I made the argument on Day 2, that it is VERY unlikely kevinH is the SK because that would have meant Martino was the real Vig and I dont see why Martino will for no reason nightkill Kazio or RoT on Night 1 instead of kevinH. kevinH was the only confirmed powerrole before this night and I find it hard to believe that you are still arguing that he may have been scum.

 

There are many discrepancies in your arguments and while I was leanng towards believing you on Day 2, my feelings on you have changed after this night.

 

Vote: Commander Shepard

I wanted discussion to continue so I held my vote

 

the way it looked as lyner and kevinh took each other out

 

I have a high suspicsion that elucid was the sk

 

again blocking me was worthless as I have no power role

After rereading a lot of CS's day 1 posts, I have come to believe that he is nooby at the game of mafia, but an honest nooby.  A lot of his actions and reactions are suspicious to me because I've always played with the same people.  Imran has been lurking too much for me to trust that he is a VT, while CS has made roleclaims and been one of the more active people despite a lot of suspicions directed his way.

for better or worse;

Vote: Imran

 

I was confused why CS did not block Lyner on N2. If he was the real RB, I am almost positive he would have blocked Lyner on N2, which would have meant there were 4 townies left today. Instead he chose to RB Nerau and bring the situation to today were we HAVE to believe that he is the RB or town loses.

 

It was always going to end this most likely after Rafay got lynched.

If I did block Lyner we would be 5 and then we would be most likely be down to 2 going into Day 3 and the town loses.

If it went down to 3 going into Day 3 then you would probably still have to trust me.

 

 

 

Lets say he convinces the 2 VTs to lynch the 3rd VT. Its a sure win for him...a perfect situation for the SK. The real RB is dead so only one mislynch means the town loses. If he was the real RB why would he chose such a scenario? He would have IMO blocked Lyner.

So unless Lyner was the SK that would have prevented this complete dependance on believing in CS's role.

 

Even if I didn't bother coming out with this strategy and I was the SK it would still be a sure win.

It would take a lot for 3 VT's to challenge me and it would be a big risk for each, they would have to trust 2 other players.

In the end your trusting of me was the most likely outcome.

 

 

 

CS gave the reason that kevinH was high on his list as the SK thats why he didnt attempt to block Lyner.

 

No, I blocked Nerau for reasons built over the course of Day 1 and Day 2 based on everything including his voting and non voting as well as his views and other players relations with him.

Because Rafay was a Mafia Goon I blocked Nerau instead of Lyner.

If Rafay was the SK I would have blocked Lyner as I implied in my last post in Day 2

 

 

 

My question is 1) How did you know that Lyner will target kevinH and not Euclid?

I had no idea who would get killed by Lyner, I'm not sure why you think I do.

I figured if Lyner was the SK then KevinH would die and Lyner would live, however it didn't work out that way.

 

 

 

It seems to me like you are making up justifications for not blocking Lyner last night as you go. You had no way of knowing he will target kevinH or are you saying that Lyner killing Euclid would also have been OK? Was he on you list as a possible SK too?

 

Then you overlooked this post by me 5 days ago.

#594 below

 

 

 From my persepective

 

A)If Rafay is the Serial Killer then for me the most likely people to be scum are KevinH + Lyner

However the flip to this is that Euclids and someone else could instead be the Mafia Goons or perhaps Euclids partner already died.

But perhaps Lyner's partner already died and KevinH is the vig.

 

 

B)If Rafay is a Mafia Goon then the person most likely to be the other goon is Nerau and the person most likely to be the SK is Lyner.

However Euclid could be lying and he could be the SK.

There again Lyner could be the other goon and Nerau could be an innocent person named to make Rafay seem more legit.

 

 

My night actions depend greatly on Rafay's true identity. 

I prefer outcome A as it is easier for me to call.

 

So yes Euclid was a viable SK if Rafay was a Mafia Goon as Rafay and Euclid could not be on the same sign.

However extremely unlikely and not someone I would attempt to block.

I decided that if Lyner and KevinH were both to die then I would would come out against Euclid because I would have felt it tied that situation up to tidy for my liking.

 

 

 

 

 

2) I made the argument on Day 2, that it is VERY unlikely kevinH is the SK because that would have meant Martino was the real Vig and I dont see why Martino will for no reason nightkill Kazio or RoT on Night 1 instead of kevinH. kevinH was the only confirmed powerrole before this night and I find it hard to believe that you are still arguing that he may have been scum.

 

I can't make assumptions based on Martino.

I'm not arguing that KevinH is still scum, I said that if KevinH was still alive and we didn't know his identity then he would still be high on my scum list but not enough to vote against as he claimed power role.

KevinH was not a confirmed town power.

 

 

 

 

There are many discrepancies in your arguments and while I was leanng towards believing you on Day 2, my feelings on you have changed after this night.

 

I can't say I agree.

While you may be the SK, if you're the 2nd VT then I suggest you don't vote anyone and let the SK vote to his own accord on whoever he chooses even if it is you.

Sacrifice yourself for the town if there is a tie in the voting.

I meant Day 4 in my first paragraph.