Alright but the question is why do you believe him when he says I am a druggie? Because of the weak WIFOM? And if I WERE a druggie, why did I give the WIFOM before I made a vote? So where was the breadcrumbing?

 

He could still be a druggie pretending to be a druggie because you CANNOT be sure I am a druggie until I am dead so you can't buy hook, line, and sinker mole's stance that I am a druggie. You're cutting mole too much slack Narsis. The logical holes abound in his and your statements. I thought you were more critical than that... unless you're in cahoots with him.

 

indeed i'm cutting mole slack. mainly because: a) i know him and how well he plays the game, and i think is point/argument is a good one. or at least better then anything i have yet to see.

It was a second vote mole, after EM's. Too many misreps from you already.

 

So let me tl;dr your vote on me mole. I gave a WIFOM and a breadcrumb and an OMGUS (btw what's the full meaning of this) vote.

 

Multiple responses:

 

1. WIFOM =/= scum. I've done this in previous games and that's just me. Plus, Kevin does it too.

 

2. Breadcrumb - I couldn't possibly have done it that early if I were a druggie. I didn't vote for anyone yet during RVS. If you say it was for a partner, let's look at the people who voted before my WIFOM. EM for me. Mole for EM. CD votes for Narsis. Curu for captain8track. And captain8track for Curu.

 

So my partners would either be mole, CD, Curu, and captain. Mafia could be EM, Narsis, Curu or captain. EM can't be a druggie because he voted for me I couldn't be breadcrumbing against myself. Mole could still be a druggie even if we're at each other's throats since I know I'm townie so we're not killing each other's "partner". CD and Curu and captain don't make sense don't it?

 

So how could I have been breadcrumbing for a partner? >.>

 

3. OMGUS vote - I'm a reactive person. So sue me. But as more and more posts are made, it's becoming less of an OMGUS vote and more of a "mole could really be scum" vote because of your logical inconsistencies, misrep tendencies, and persistence without reinforcement of your arguments.

 

Ok mole hammered.

 

I think I made my case enough against mole. I'm even willing to remove my vote and let others push the vote on mole if they compare our posts.

 

Unvote

an interesting thing i just noticed: Falzis keeps pointing to mole being a druggie or pretending to be a druggie. imo he's more likely to be mafia then druggie at this point. so why keep saying he is a druggie or pretending to be a druggie? maybe Falzis is mafia? although the information would point to him being a druggie otherwise so it might be totally off...i'm just throwing it out there but it is something odd.

 

He most likely could be either because as I've said, I'm an easy picking even for the townies to vote since I'm "more likely to throw this game". Killing a townie on D1 is more advantageous to both scum factions so they want to kill me.

 

indeed i'm cutting mole slack. mainly because: a) i know him and how well he plays the game, and cool.gif i think is point/argument is a good one. or at least better then anything i have yet to see.

 

The only basis of his vote was the WIFOM and "breadcrumb". Which I've debunked so many times. How is that a good one? How is that better than anything you have seen? If I die and vindicated, remember it was Narsis and mole dancing the tango.

EVERYONE - I'd love you to read over the whole Falzis/Me debate and give your opinions. It could really help sort this out. Take some time out, it's not that difficult to follow.

My opinion is that it confuses me. If I have to take a side, it would be for Mole.

 

For example:

He could still be a druggie pretending to be a druggie because you CANNOT be sure I am a druggie ...

I'm really missing the concept of why anyone would want to claim they are a druggie (whether true or not). It screams "Lynch Me!" to the townies and "Night Kill Me!" to the mafia.

1. WIFOM =/= scum. I've done this in previous games and that's just me. Plus, Kevin does it too.

Why do you keep mentioning that KevinH did it too? I'm not going to cut you slack because of it.

WIFOM =/= Scum, but it does = scummy.

 

2. Breadcrumb - I couldn't possibly have done it that early if I were a druggie. I didn't vote for anyone yet during RVS. If you say it was for a partner, let's look at the people who voted before my WIFOM. EM for me. Mole for EM. CD votes for Narsis. Curu for captain8track. And captain8track for Curu.

 

So my partners would either be mole, CD, Curu, and captain. Mafia could be EM, Narsis, Curu or captain. EM can't be a druggie because he voted for me I couldn't be breadcrumbing against myself. Mole could still be a druggie even if we're at each other's throats since I know I'm townie so we're not killing each other's "partner". CD and Curu and captain don't make sense don't it?

1) What makes you say that Mafia could be EM, Narsis, Curu or Captain?

2) Why can't CD / curu / c8t be your druggie partner?

 

3. OMGUS vote - I'm a reactive person. So sue me. But as more and more posts are made, it's becoming less of an OMGUS vote and more of a "mole could really be scum" vote because of your logical inconsistencies, misrep tendencies, and persistence without reinforcement of your arguments.

1) Logical inconsistencies - Where?

2) Misrep - Where I have done so, i have explained why if I was at fault. If there's any I haven't answered, please, point them out.

3) Persistence without reinforcement - I've been reinforcing my case as I've been going through. Your posts are reeking even more of OMGUS, and your WIFOM arguments don't help a jot.

 

Ok mole hammered.

I'll take that as a joke.

 

I think I made my case enough against mole. I'm even willing to remove my vote and let others push the vote on mole if they compare our posts.

 

Unvote

So you no longer believe that I'm scum?

Why would you remove your vote if you still thought I was scum, other than that you're getting uneasy about it?

The only basis of his vote was the WIFOM and "breadcrumb". Which I've debunked so many times. How is that a good one? How is that better than anything you have seen? If I die and vindicated, remember it was Narsis and mole dancing the tango.

 

simply because it's the only one. i have yet to see any other cases made that can't be considered random.

I don't understand the argument that Mole would be trying to act like a druggie. Why would anyone want someone to believe the are anything but pro-town?

 

Falzis' argument does not make sense to me. I do like the fact that he's posting a lot and giving strong opinions. This gives him some extra townie points in my book. You all know I like it when people don't hide their thoughts and Falzis is definitely coming out and expressing himself well. Mole's 2nd vote on him though make me suspect that Mole may know more than he's letting on. Maybe Mole is a druggie and he's trying to get rid of a mafia player (Falzis). In any case I'll be watching this thread with great interest.

 

 

Very good debate going on so far. I hope this continues into the future days as well.

Mole's 2nd vote on him though make me suspect that Mole may know more than he's letting on.

What do you mean? I've only voted for him once, iirc.

ok so this has been bugging me...what's iirc mean?

If I remember correctly.

ah thank you.

 

and now back to your regularly scheduled game of mafia...

The fact that I don't understand Falzis' arguments tips the scales against him in my opinion.

 

It's not that he protests too much. It's that the protest doesn't make sense.

I don't know if you guys really poured over what I've written... but here goes again for emphasis

 

tl;dr (ok maybe this isn't a tl;dr) of why I thought mole was scummy was

 

1. He said RVS is over. I don't know why anyone would say such a thing and how one person can just say RVS is over. It implies that his vote is for certain. Which was based on a WIFOM, which is a weak ground if I might say so having debunked it already. So this looked scummy to me because...

 

2. He was riding on an easy picking (me). Maybe I was chosen because I seemed an easy target to portray as scum by baiting me to be overly reactive (which I naturally am) and make a mistake, OR that even if others viewed me as townie that I would be dispensable given my "record" of "throwing the game".

 

3. Of course my personal reason, that why would he vote for me on a weak WIFOM? Knowing I am townie, I don't see any reason really to vote for me unrandomly (he said RVS is over). So thinking out my thoughts I said he could be a druggie (wanting to mislead townies to lynch a townie on D1 and not attract a lynch on following days since he won't be seen as a druggie - a townie was killed) or a mafia pretending to be a druggie (wanting to preempt and coopt druggies and lynch a townie on D1 and not attract a lynch on following days since he won't be seen as a druggie - a townie was killed).

 

So if you compare our reasoning:

 

mole's - that I am a druggie because of my WIFOM and breadcrumb statements, which I will always compare to Kevin's and others WIFOMing and which I've already debunked the possibility of me breadcrumbing...

 

vs.

 

mine - that mole is scummy because of a poorly grounded vote and questionable motives to kill me and my protestations not to die early in the game...

 

 

 

I won't get why the scale would be against me. With all the words I've written, it's easy to get lost and contradict myself. But I've been totally consistent and can repeat what I've said again and again even if I'm misrepped.

 

I unvoted you mole because I don't think I need to strengthen my case with you with a vote. If I persuade people to vote for you, lucky me. If not (like Kevin), so be it.

 

Less talk, less mistakes some would say. But playing under the radar was never my style. If I get burned by my loquaciousness, well, silly me. Oh well, it's tiring to type again and again if my posts don't make sense to the great Kevin.

it's easy to get lost and contradict myself.

 

But I've been totally consistent

My point exactly ...

 

If not (like Kevin), so be it.

I'll make it official.

Vote: Falzis

So... you vote for me for being consistent?

Stating "it's easy ... to contradict myself" followed by "I've been totally consistent" is not consistent.

 

You were correct in the first part!

i've said it twice already and i'll say it again: you believe mole is pretending to be a druggie. but that cannot be since he believes you to be a druggie.

 

if he's pretending to be a druggie and calling you a druggie...then technically he is outing his partner.

 

thus he can't be pretending to be a druggie.

 

can't say it any simpler then that...

 

also, Unvote i believe my RVS vote was still in play...don't want it to get confused as a real vote.

 

also...mod: votecount please.

Again, you're following him too blindly. At least Kevin was willing to review mole in totality. I'm just laughing at your stance Narsis. Your whole point depends on the assumption that mole's belief that I am a druggie to be correct. But why would you believe that wholeheartedly? Unless...

Stating "it's easy ... to contradict myself" followed by "I've been totally consistent" is not consistent.

 

You were correct in the first part!

 

Again, where's the point? I don't get it. :OSHIALION:

Again, you're following him too blindly. At least Kevin was willing to review mole in totality. I'm just laughing at your stance Narsis. Your whole point depends on the assumption that mole's belief that I am a druggie to be correct. But why would you believe that wholeheartedly? Unless...

 

why do i believe that? simply because he believes that was a breadcrumb you dropped. the only faction that would drop a breadcrumb like that are druggies. thus he must think you are a druggie.

why do i believe that? simply because he believes that was a breadcrumb you dropped. the only faction that would drop a breadcrumb like that are druggies. thus he must think you are a druggie.

 

 

Kevin, is this correct?

why do i believe that? simply because he believes that was a breadcrumb you dropped. the only faction that would drop a breadcrumb like that are druggies. thus he must think you are a druggie.

 

Why only druggies and not mafia?

1. He said RVS is over. I don't know why anyone would say such a thing and how one person can just say RVS is over. It implies that his vote is for certain. Which was based on a WIFOM, which is a weak ground if I might say so having debunked it already. So this looked scummy to me because...

I'm losing track of how many times I have to say this. Saying RVS is over does !NOT! imply that my vote is certain. Never has, never will.

 

2. He was riding on an easy picking (me). Maybe I was chosen because I seemed an easy target to portray as scum by baiting me to be overly reactive (which I naturally am) and make a mistake, OR that even if others viewed me as townie that I would be dispensable given my "record" of "throwing the game".

Stop playing the damned newbie card. You are not a new player any more. If anything, your constant responses have proved this.

I picked on you for the WIFOM and breadcrumb. No more, no less.

 

3. Of course my personal reason, that why would he vote for me on a weak WIFOM? Knowing I am townie, I don't see any reason really to vote for me unrandomly (he said RVS is over).

1. Stop going on about the damn RVS thing.

2. It was the best reason I had at the time. At no point did I say it was a vote intended to lynch you.

 

mole's - that I am a little bit scummy because of my WIFOM and breadcrumb statements

 

mine - that mole is scummy because of a poorly grounded vote and questionable motives to kill me and my protestations not to die early in the game...

Fixed.

1. The vote was in no way unreasonable.

2. At the time of the vote, I was not trying to kill you.

3. Your 'protestations' have poor logic.

 

Your refusal to listen to what I'm saying is starting to get on my nerves.

I've answered all of your problems against me SEVERAL TIMES, yet you continue to use the same logic against me in some hope of getting me lynched.

 

This vote is now serious. People, vote Falzis.

 

I unvoted you mole because I don't think I need to strengthen my case with you with a vote. If I persuade people to vote for you, lucky me. If not (like Kevin), so be it.

You should always make your case as strong as possible. I don't buy this.

EBWOP

 

mole's - that I am a little bit scummy because of my WIFOM and breadcrumb statements

Fixed.

 

mine - that mole is scummy because of a poorly grounded vote and questionable motives to kill me and my protestations not to die early in the game...

1. The vote was in no way unreasonable.

2. At the time of the vote, I was not trying to kill you.

3. Your 'protestations' have poor logic.

Why only druggies and not mafia?

 

 

it's the breadcrumb! if it really is a breadcrumb, which mole seems to believe, the only faction that could post that as a breadcrumb are the druggies.

 

@EM: i'm talking about mole not Kevin...T.T