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[Imran Ehsan]

Imran Ehsan, on 29 Apr 2016 - 21:31, said: Fermion, on 29 Apr 2016 - 10:18, said: My question is, do vigilantes and serial killers have limits on the times they can kill? This was before he claimed to be a Vigilante. So he is either lying about being a vigilante or he is a vigilante who is not x-shot. So even if you beleive Fermion to be a townie Vig that will mean he has no x-shot ability. That, again was to go under the radar of the scum so that I could continue my job as a Vig. If I seemed clueless about such an important aspect of the role, how could I be one?

 

I really dont buy this explanation. I think he is lying. My vote will stay.

[Fermion]

During the night, there was losts of activity.

 

Bumble Bee from Titans East was flying though the air. Trying to find Beast Boy near titans tower. Sunddnly a dark figure Swoops from the bridge above her and smacks her with a long metal bar. She falls sharply down and hits the ground, Moving trying to identify her attacker. She She a tall man before her. "I never liked bugs, and you titans must be eliminated. My plan is coming together, and I can't have you in the way." Bumble Bee attempts to attack her attacker but in Vain, He strikes her down. "Pity, I expected more from you. Phase 1 complete, Phase 2 should be underway." The mysterious figure picks up Bumble bee, and is on his way. 

 

In a remote area, next to a Power plant, sirens were going off. A large Figure with brightness to him approached the power plant. Security guards started shooting only in vain. As he busted through the gates, the a green bolt hits Overload. The Titans have arrived. Allong with some additional titans from East and some newcomers. However, without Robin the titans didn't seem to be at 100%. Argent, A newer Titan, seemed to have Overload on the ropes. Struggling, Overload kicked a car right towards cyborg, right when he was firing at Overload. The shot went wild and hit Argent instead! A shriek of pain could be heard as argent fell from from her spot. Luckily, Star Fire caught her, and Raven finished off Overload. 

 

 

The text about argent clearly indicates that Cyborg was on his side and the shot that killed him was a misfire.

[Imran Ehsan]

The text about argent clearly indicates that Cyborg was on his side and the shot that killed him was a misfire.

 

I think Robert made it pretty clear on D2 that the text is just flavor and we should not try to draw any conclusions from it. I would be interested to hear Robert's thoughts on this again @MOD

 

So if its just flavor. The only info we have from the night (from the MOD) is that 2 townies were killed. If its just flavor that misfire does not indicate a Vig kill. But again, I would like the MOD to clarify it.

 

My thoughts of this being a JOAT kill is that there was a TOWN JOAT. So there must a SCUM JOAT. JOATs have kill abilities (usually). So that extra kill came from a scum JOAT, not a Vigilante.

but if Kevin is not lying I cant reconcile you being a JOAT. Because a JOAT will surely use his action on N1. So I am kinda in the middle here.

[Fermion]

I feel like you're really trying too hard to prove your point, even when there's ample evidence/logic that indicates that this was indeed a Vigilante kill.

 

As for the flavour part, Robert said that when we were using the red splatter thing to say that Red X killed Shah, and we all know how that turned out. That was us having different interpretations of the same fact, however in thiscase, Robert actually told us a fact: that the Titans teamed up to hunt overlord and in the skirmish, Argent, a new Titan, was killed by a misfire from another Titan, Cyborg.

 

There is nothing subtle about it, there is n flavour. This is mod hitting us on the head with a plain, simple fact.

[Imran Ehsan]

I feel like you're really trying too hard to prove your point, even when there's ample evidence/logic that indicates that this was indeed a Vigilante kill.

 

As for the flavour part, Robert said that when we were using the red splatter thing to say that Red X killed Shah, and we all know how that turned out. That was us having different interpretations of the same fact, however in thiscase, Robert actually told us a fact: that the Titans teamed up to hunt overlord and in the skirmish, Argent, a new Titan, was killed by a misfire from another Titan, Cyborg.

 

There is nothing subtle about it, there is n flavour. This is mod hitting us on the head with a plain, simple fact.

 

Whats your thoughts on who the actual scum are?

[Fermion]

I need to know something first. Kevin, you sure the only action you performed on night 2 was on Rafay?

[KevinH]

Positive.

I followed Rafay and was told he used a watching ability.

[d3mon]

Positive.

I followed Rafay and was told he used a watching ability.

 

We have already seen a JOAT, Tracker, follower, Voyeur. I am not sure if Rafay having the watcher ability gives him any townie points. Could he be the scum watcher?

[Chaplain of death]

 

The text about argent clearly indicates that Cyborg was on his side and the shot that killed him was a misfire.

 

I think Robert made it pretty clear on D2 that the text is just flavor and we should not try to draw any conclusions from it. I would be interested to hear Robert's thoughts on this again @MOD

 

So if its just flavor. The only info we have from the night (from the MOD) is that 2 townies were killed. If its just flavor that misfire does not indicate a Vig kill. But again, I would like the MOD to clarify it.

 

My thoughts of this being a JOAT kill is that there was a TOWN JOAT. So there must a SCUM JOAT. JOATs have kill abilities (usually). So that extra kill came from a scum JOAT, not a Vigilante.

but if Kevin is not lying I cant reconcile you being a JOAT. Because a JOAT will surely use his action on N1. So I am kinda in the middle here.

 

 

If we are not making assumptions based on information we shouldn't have then stop making the assumption that there has to be a scum JOAT. Just because doom was the town JOAT doesn't mean theres a scum JOAT. Also like I said if he were JOAT he would have used an ability night 1. PERIOD. There's no way he wouldn't. Therefore how can we seriously believe that he is scum? Where is the logic?

 

Positive.

I followed Rafay and was told he used a watching ability.

 

And who did you Target @Rafay? Can you confirm what happened? You both haven't contributed much so its kind of not much to go on. You could easily be 2 scum pretending to confirm a role claim.

Rafay could be a scum JOAT since we are so convinced there is one. Just saying.

@MOD, Extension request seconded.

[Imran Ehsan]

Well my obsession with a Scum JOAT is because we had 3 dead townies and none had the "Town" modifier added to the. So it wasnt Mandarijn, the TOWN Voyeur or Shah, the TOWN Cop (well scum cop wont make sense, but still why add Town modifier to TheDoom).

 

And yeah like I said, I cant reconcile Fermion being JOAT if kevin is not lying. If we believe kevin and rafay are both town that will imply Fermion is also town. In that case, we would need to look at others as potential scum.

[KevinH]

We have already seen a JOAT, Tracker, follower, Voyeur. I am not sure if Rafay having the watcher ability gives him any townie points. Could he be the scum watcher?

 

By itself, a scum watcher wouldn't help the scum much, but it could easily be there to make the scum blend in.

 

Is Imran a scum tracker?
 

If we believe kevin and rafay are both town that will imply Fermion is also town. In that case, we would need to look at others as potential scum.

Or Fermion is a goon that didn't deliver the kill Night 1. That was my first suspicion.

[Imran Ehsan]

 

We have already seen a JOAT, Tracker, follower, Voyeur. I am not sure if Rafay having the watcher ability gives him any townie points. Could he be the scum watcher?

 

By itself, a scum watcher wouldn't help the scum much, but it could easily be there to make the scum blend in.

 

Is Imran a scum tracker?
 

If we believe kevin and rafay are both town that will imply Fermion is also town. In that case, we would need to look at others as potential scum.

Or Fermion is a goon that didn't deliver the kill Night 1. That was my first suspicion.

 

 

MOD pretty much confirmed me as the Beast Boy which is a townie character, so I dont know the reason for you suggesting this.

[Fermion]

There's two possibilities then.

 

That Robert didn't care to make everything factually correct 

 

or

 

That Kevin is lying and he was actually watching me or Doom instead. (starfire caught Argent as he was falling). That would mean he is lying about following Rafay and that they are on the same team and they are actually using each other to validate their claims (Kevin claims Rafay is a watcher and Rafay confirms his claim and thus his role as pro town follower)

 

So according to this Kevin and Rafay would be scum.

 

But I'm not fully convinced that this is true.Every Titan has so far been a townie and given Robert's love for the Titans, it wouldn't make sense that he would change this trend, unless he really hated Starfire. Then too, even if Kevin was a confirmed follower, why would they think that we would believe that Kevin and Rafay were pro ton, unless they really think they'd be able to convince us,,, Though I still think Rafay cannot be cleared until we have found out who he was watching. He could very well be, as d3mon said, a scum watcher, if that role exists.

 

As for Chaplain, I am pretty sure he is not scum by looking at the tone of his posts, his posting frequency and because he is the only one apart from Imran who seems to be genuinely worried about the town win, lol.I also think there's a reason the Mandarijn was killed, because he was suspecting one of the scum and was close to blowing their cover.  (writing the rest)

[d3mon]

By itself, a scum watcher wouldn't help the scum much, but it could easily be there to make the scum blend in. Is Imran a scum tracker?

 

Ha ha.. since we are diving into this rabbit hole. My crazy theory actually works better with scum having watchers/trackers. For a minute lets forget that Imran is very likely town, then this is how it works.

 

Scum have the watchers ability and they target three people every night and they know who killed other than them. Imran claims to be a tracker, and leads town on lynching people that scum would otherwise have problems taking out. The bullet proof SK was definitely a role that mafia couldn't have taken out without a lynch.

 

Or Fermion is a goon that didn't deliver the kill Night 1. That was my first suspicion.

 

Still likely, though we need to explain 2 kills. He is claiming 3 shot vig and its game over if he is not town.

[Fermion]

I used my action on KevinH btw, someone else did as well (don't tell who you are), but you'll know that I'm a townie now.  

 Do we know what this action was, who was the second guy doing it?

 

Plus, I looked through Mandarijn's posts, and seems Mandarijn was suspecting The Warrior. The Warrior was also the last person to vote for Rhizo, the one who put the final nail in the coffin, knowing full well that it wasn't one of his scum buddies.

 

D3mons seems to be going with the flow and is someone who takes the least risky action possible, and sister midnight has agreed with tW on basically everything up until now without making herself stand out. iSocialism is a lurker and hasn't really done anythin to stand out either.

 

So, my suspects would be:

tW

Sister Midnight

Rafay

d3mon

 

Now if what Kevin says is true, either the scum can have watching ability or the Rafay isn't scum and is a watcher for town, in which case he should post and let us know who he watched.

[Imran Ehsan]

^good points Fermion. I am convinced.

 

Unvote

 

I no longer think Fermion is scum.

 

Kevin/Rafay combo is possible. Lets hear Rafays claim first. Kevin is trying to throw doubt on my investigation motives.

 

But we must not forget d3mon. He was the first to bring it up. He also seemed very worried about Fermion being a Vig and was advocating a lynch there.

 

Also iSocialism, TW and SM are lurking. There is probably a scum there. COD is scum hunting so I dont think him scum at this point.

[d3mon]

^good points Fermion. I am convinced.

 

Unvote

 

I no longer think Fermion is scum.

 

Kevin/Rafay combo is possible. Lets hear Rafays claim first. Kevin is trying to throw doubt on my investigation motives.

 

But we must not forget d3mon. He was the first to bring it up. He also seemed very worried about Fermion being a Vig and was advocating a lynch there.

 

Also iSocialism, TW and SM are lurking. There is probably a scum there. COD is scum hunting so I dont think him scum at this point.

 

I was also the first to point out that he might not be the best guy to lynch but I can understand.

[KevinH]

Unofficial vote count:

Fermion (2): The Warrior, D3mon
KevinH (1): Chaplain of Death
Chaplain of Death (1): KevinH

Not voting (5): Fermion, Rafray, iSocialism, Sister Midnight, Imran Ehsan

[KevinH]

 

Or Fermion is a goon that didn't deliver the kill Night 1. That was my first suspicion.

 
Still likely, though we need to explain 2 kills. He is claiming 3 shot vig and its game over if he is not town.

 

 

The easy explanation is that somebody else is a mafia JOAT with the extra kill

[Chaplain of death]

 

 

We have already seen a JOAT, Tracker, follower, Voyeur. I am not sure if Rafay having the watcher ability gives him any townie points. Could he be the scum watcher?

 

By itself, a scum watcher wouldn't help the scum much, but it could easily be there to make the scum blend in.

 

Is Imran a scum tracker?
 

If we believe kevin and rafay are both town that will imply Fermion is also town. In that case, we would need to look at others as potential scum.

Or Fermion is a goon that didn't deliver the kill Night 1. That was my first suspicion.

 

 

MOD pretty much confirmed me as the Beast Boy which is a townie character, so I dont know the reason for you suggesting this.

 

 

Just going out on a limb here and saying that if you are going to use the "Im beast boy so Im townie" defense then Fermion and KevinH can't be scum unless they are lying about who they are, in which case people should have counter claimed.