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[Chaplain of death]

If ferm is townie then it will be 4v3 tomorrow. (Mafia night kill unless it gets blocked. )

[d3mon]

If ferm is townie then it will be 4v3 tomorrow. (Mafia night kill unless it gets blocked. )

 

My bad, you are right but that just makes my job harder

[Chaplain of death]

I still think we should lynch KevinH first, Imran being roleblocked isnt a huge problem if we have a good idea of who the scum are. Plus it proves what fermion is if he kills someone other than who we suggest.

Every other character so far has had their affiliation (town or scum) the same as in the show. Nobody seems to be counter claiming cyborg/vig. Perhaps he just made a mistake, and as far as his behavior, im unsuprised that the vig would try to throw scum off his trail, if he hits a scum the night after we lynch one that's a huge swing.
unvote

[d3mon]

I still think we should lynch KevinH first, Imran being roleblocked isnt a huge problem if we have a good idea of who the scum are. Plus it proves what fermion is if he kills someone other than who we suggest.

Every other character so far has had their affiliation (town or scum) the same as in the show. Nobody seems to be counter claiming cyborg/vig. Perhaps he just made a mistake, and as far as his behavior, im unsuprised that the vig would try to throw scum off his trail, if he hits a scum the night after we lynch one that's a huge swing.

 

I know, but the problem is, if he gets it wrong one more time its game over. 3 v 3 is a scum win.. Atm, we have two alternatives

 

1) Trust Fermion and leave him alive - If he is scum and still has the ability to kill then its game over.

2) Lynch Fermion - If he is town, we start tomorrow 4 v 3. Its not going to be easy but its not game over.

[Chaplain of death]

Except it isnt game over. He can keep pace with their night kills if he targets correctly and we probably still have protective/roleblocking roles left.

Plus it would be 4v2 if he got it wrong so long as we are right about kevin which I'm fairly positive we are

[d3mon]

I really see no alternative, we have to lynch Fermion. If my judgement is wrong, it could be game over.

 

Vote: Fermion

[Chaplain of death]

Um? The logic i just used maybe?

[d3mon]

Except it isnt game over. He can keep pace with their night kills if he targets correctly and we probably still have protective/roleblocking roles left.

Plus it would be 4v2 if he got it wrong so long as we are right about kevin which I'm fairly positive we are

 

Didn't get a chance to read this post before I voted but based on what I wrote earlier.. I don't see a way around it.. we can't let anyone who can possibly kill extra townies in the night stay in the game.

[Chaplain of death]

FOS d3mon.

[Sister Midnight]

If both Kevin and Ferm are scum then does it matter which one we lynch?

[Chaplain of death]

If both Kevin and Ferm are scum then does it matter which one we lynch?

Exactly. So lynch KevinH first and see if fermion kills who we tell him to. If he does then hes a townie because scum vig isn't a thing (best of my knowledge).

I have far less doubt about kevin then i do fermion, and the fact that kevin jumped on the wagon so early only makes me think that fermion is the vig more.
vote KevinH
Looking more and more suspicious when you keep messing up how many scum and how many townies are left d3mon. First time, maybe an honest mistake. Twice that quickly? Looks more like intentional mis information to sway the towns decision.

If ferm is townie then it will be 4v3 tomorrow. (Mafia night kill unless it gets blocked. )

 
My bad, you are right but that just makes my job harder

Which job would that be? Misleading the town to kill our vig?

[d3mon]

 

If both Kevin and Ferm are scum then does it matter which one we lynch?

Exactly. So lynch KevinH first and see if fermion kills who we tell him to. If he does then hes a townie because scum vig isn't a thing (best of my knowledge).

I have far less doubt about kevin then i do fermion, and the fact that kevin jumped on the wagon so early only makes me think that fermion is the vig more.
vote KevinH

 

 

You don't seem to understand that if one kill is wrong in the night then the game is over. If Fermion is scum and still has the ability to kill in the night again, its game over. His abilities don't give us an extra lynch in the night. We have already seen a town JOAT, do you think that we would have more than one roles that can kill in the night?

 

The chance of scum having an extra kill and ending the game tonight is not something that can be ignored. Lynching Fermion ensures that we see another day and gives us a good chance to lynch a scum.

Just want to add that I would've addressed your post before voting but I didn't see it at that time.

[Chaplain of death]

6v3. If we lynch a scum and fermion is somehow a scum vig (still not a thing, at most it was one shot if hes scum), then its 4v2 tomorrow if nobody stops either kill. Stop mis representing the facts. You are scum along with Kevin and you have tipped your hand.
If we can't have a vig and a joat why the hell do you think that scum could have a vig AND their usual night kill.

[d3mon]

6v3. If we lynch a scum and fermion is somehow a scum vig (still not a thing, at most it was one shot if hes scum), then its 4v2 tomorrow if nobody stops either kill. Stop mis representing the facts. You are scum along with Kevin and you have tipped your hand.
If we can't have a vig and a joat why the hell do you think that scum could have a vig AND their usual night kill.

 

We had some pretty strong roles and there was a bullet proof SK.. game balance requires that there would something on Mafia's side to make that even. Once again, I can't be sure but I am not willing to risk the chance of additional kills in night.

[Chaplain of death]

How are you so positive that we don't have a vig and they do though? They very well could have a joat. But that means his kill is gone and therefore that argument is invalid. As far as things to balance the game? They probably have a godfather (which became irrelevant when our cop died night 1), they could have a joat whos kill would best be saved until night 3 or so to throw the town into disarray.

Also if hes a scum vig, both scum night kills were blocked night 1? How? The chances are so ridiculous.

[d3mon]

How are you so positive that we don't have a vig and they do though? They very well could have a joat. But that means his kill is gone and therefore that argument is invalid. As far as things to balance the game? They probably have a godfather (which became irrelevant when our cop died night 1), they could have a joat whos kill would best be saved until night 3 or so to throw the town into disarray.

Also if hes a scum vig, both scum night kills were blocked night 1? How? The chances are so ridiculous.

 

Ok, if Fermion is a town vig then why was there just 1 kill on day 1? He could still kill on that night..

I would give Fermion nothing more than 50% chance of being a town and you are running with the assumption that he is town vig.

 

I really dislike the scenario of this game ending because we knew of someone who killed a townie and failed to act. At the time I voted, you had already unvoted and if I really wanted to save KevinH then it would've be really easy to hammer Fermion before this whole discussion started.

 

Now, to the point of kills being blocked on night 1, the mod indicated that there was a fight downtown.. its not impossible that multiple could've been blocked or that scum wasn't allowed to use their extra kill on night 1..

 

Just wondering but are you scum and having trouble killing me?

[Chaplain of death]

I'm niether scum nor am i trying to kill you. I'm trying to get a scum lynched instead if a townie. A town vig COULD have decided not to kill anyone night 1 since there was no information to go on and hes more likely to hit a townie.

[KevinH]

I'd like to see what Kev, Ferm, and TW have to say in their defense.

 
Defense against what? A couple votes without basis?

I think I stated succinctly why I voted and unvoted Rhizo. There were a few others that didn't vote for Rhizo, either.
 

Just suppose Rhizo was a townie with a role.  Shah was just as likely a choice as any to target and he would have been tracked the same whether a SK or townie with a role, so his plea wasn't illogical.
"Flip-flop" and "try to derail" are a bit strong considering the facts.  I placed a vote and then decided to give the benefit of the doubt to him.
The possibility of insane modifiers could invalidate anything.  We need to act as if our knowledge is correct until proven otherwise.

 
 

we can analyze in a what we know now vs what we knew then.

• There was evidence that Rhizo visited Shah the night he was killed, but there was room for doubt.
• The mafia knew that Rhizo wasn't one of them so they would want him dead regardless.

So despite it being a good thing that Rhizo was lynched, I'm going to lean towards believing that those that voted for the lynch have a greater possibility of being scum.  Interestingly, two of those voters are now dead townies.  Who's left?
FOS: The Warrior, Chaplain of Death, D3mon, Sister Midnight

 

 
What more can I say?

Well, I suppose I can add a few data points.

• I'm StarFire, a follower.
• Night 1 I followed Fermion and learned that he did not perform an action.
• Night 2 I followed Rafay and learned that he did perform an action; I won't disclose what it is but it is typically associated with townies.
   

[Chaplain of death]

How very vague. Rafay preformed an unnamed action in what appears to be a role madness game..... might as well be public information.

So if fermion didn't act on night one what is your reason for voting for him?

[KevinH]

If Rafay wants me to reveal what it is, I will.

 

On the other hand, if you're asking me to reveal the role, I consider that scummy.

 

My rationale for voting for Fermion: he didn't perform an action in a role madness game -- sounds like a goon who didn't deliver the kill. (Note my previous post suggesting that)