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[Chaplain of death]

If hes a goon who didn't deliver the kill then where did the extra night kill come from? If he was a joat he would have used another of his actions
Normally id agree with you about revealing someone's role but your role claim gave us no new information other than to lend some credence to the story of the guy you are still voting to lynch.

[Imran Ehsan]

Whoa.

Lots of new info.

Unvote

Kevin why can't you confirm rafay's action?
Whoa.

Lots of new info.

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Kevin why can't you confirm rafay's action?
Whoa.

Lots of new info.

Unvote

Kevin why can't you confirm rafay's action?
Wtf

Sorry posting from my phone made the triple post. I blame Seamus.
Wtf

Sorry posting from my phone made the triple post. I blame Seamus.

[KevinH]

Advantage of revealing Rafay's role: Prove I'm townie and that's it.

 

Disadvantage of revealing Rafay's role: Help the scum decide whether to target Rafay or not (If he's a normal cop they'd target him, if he's a voyeur they'd probably leave him alone.)

 

If Rafay feels that he has something to share, I would ask for the chance to post first and prove I'm telling the truth about being a follower.

[Chaplain of death]

Advantage of revealing information, we narrow suspects since we only get one more miss before we lose most likely.

[Imran Ehsan]

If fermion continues lurking and does not post his defence we need to lynch him.

[KevinH]

Who could have delivered other kills besides Fermion? Wow.

Not Imran. Not Rafay. Not me.

 

That leaves

• iSocialism
• The Warrior
• Chaplain of death
• D3mon
• Sister Midnight

Take your choice.

[Chaplain of death]

Theres still no proof that it was not you and not Rafay..... you have no evidence and the way Rafay is lurking and asked for a roleblocker to identify themself he looks pretty scummy too so if hes your only proof that you are who you say you are then my vote stays.

[KevinH]

That leaves

• iSocialism
• The Warrior
• Chaplain of death
• D3mon
• Sister Midnight

 

 

those that voted for the lynch have a greater possibility of being scum. ...
FOS:

• The Warrior,
• Chaplain of Death,
• D3mon,
• Sister Midnight

 

Quite the overlap!

Fermion could be a Townie Vigilante and most likely would have chosen not to kill the first night.

Unvote.
Vote: Chaplain of Death

He's trying too hard to ignore the evidence.

[Chaplain of death]

That leaves

• iSocialism
• The Warrior
• Chaplain of death
• D3mon
• Sister Midnight

 

 

those that voted for the lynch have a greater possibility of being scum. ...
FOS:

• The Warrior,
• Chaplain of Death,
• D3mon,
• Sister Midnight

 

Quite the overlap!
Fermion could be a Townie Vigilante and most likely would have chosen not to kill the first night.Unvote.
Vote: Chaplain of Death
He's trying too hard to ignore the evidence.

What evidence? There is circumstantial evidence against fermion, there is also evidence in his favor. You and d3mon both responded to scrutiny with...... "well hes scum cause reasons and you must be scum because you are providing an argument based in facts!"

[d3mon]

If fermion continues lurking and does not post his defence we need to lynch him.

 

I believe this applies to all the townies at this time but yeah, its important that Fermion takes it seriously.

[KevinH]

Now, time for my crazy theory, Imran is 2/2 on investigating people who did the kills and I hope that he is town but he is either lucky or erm.. there is something scummy going on.

 

My 100% certainty is beginning to slip.

Mod: Does the mafia have day-talk?

 

 

[Imran Ehsan]

 

Now, time for my crazy theory, Imran is 2/2 on investigating people who did the kills and I hope that he is town but he is either lucky or erm.. there is something scummy going on.

 

My 100% certainty is beginning to slip.

Mod: Does the mafia have day-talk?

 

 

Yeah. You just keep looking more scummy. Why is your 100% certainty beginning to slip? This vague references trying to throw doubt into investigation results are continuing from you from D1.

 

To MOD: EXTENSION REQUEST

 

I want to hear from Rafay regarding kevin's claim. And also need to hear more from the lurker iSocialism. Amd of course Fermion.

[d3mon]

 

Now, time for my crazy theory, Imran is 2/2 on investigating people who did the kills and I hope that he is town but he is either lucky or erm.. there is something scummy going on.

 

My 100% certainty is beginning to slip.

Mod: Does the mafia have day-talk?

 

 

lol.. I guess I am just happy that I am not the only one who is crazy enough to come up with it.

[Imran Ehsan]

So to confirm Kevin's claims:

 

1. Fermion needs to post and confirm he did not do any action on N1. Fermion should also let us know if his ability is x-shot or if he can kill every night.

 

2. Rafay needs to say he wants Kevin to reveal his action. Which will need to be confirmed by Rafay as being.

 

If the above 2 happens, that will mean either kevin is telling the truth or kevin, rafay and fermion are all working together (the possibility of this is very low as it will reveal all 3 scum if one is lynched).

 

So hearing from both Rafay and Fermion are very important. Because if that happens we can have 4 confirmed townies: me, kevin, rafay and fermion.

 

Leaving the scum team to be amongst: d3mon, iSocialism, COD, SM and TW

 

If kevin role confirmation is not done i.e. say Rafay does not want to reveal his action, it leaves us to square 1 because we dont know if kevin is lying about his role or not.

[Chaplain of death]

 

That leaves

• iSocialism
• The Warrior
• Chaplain of death
• D3mon
• Sister Midnight

 

 

those that voted for the lynch have a greater possibility of being scum. ...
FOS:

• The Warrior,
• Chaplain of Death,
• D3mon,
• Sister Midnight

 

Quite the overlap!

Fermion could be a Townie Vigilante and most likely would have chosen not to kill the first night.

Unvote.
Vote: Chaplain of Death

He's trying too hard to ignore the evidence.

 

 

Hilarious. 4 out of 5 overlap and you pick me because it suites your purpose. How convenient for you. Pleaaaaaaaaaaase.

[Imran Ehsan]

Well Fermion has been around and browsing and made no less than 5 posts in different parts of the forum today but nothing here. His actions or lack thereof are not indicative of pro-town. Also no news from Mod regarding requested extension. So our best bet for today is still lynching Fermion.

 

Vote: Fermion

[Fermion]

The posts were all in important parts of the Forum, none in spammy, conversational parts. I'm technically gne fishing but somethings need looking after and Alpha and wars are one of them, even if I have sem.s coming up. Most of the posts here were also made when I sleep

 

 

Time to get some facts straight

 

There is about 15% chance that Fermion is a townie Vig and an 85% chance that he is Scum JOAT who used his 1-shot Vig ability last night. I will explain the reasons shortly.

 

I don't have a one shot ability. It's actually 3 shot, meaning the vigilante  can kill on three nights

 

 

Rather interesting bit of information but the fact that Fermion owned up to his kill makes his appear more townie than Rhizo did to me. Still, Vig is considered a negative town role for a reason (they mostly get it wrong) and I think lynching him might help the town but it might not be the best we can achieve today.

I had considered, that but I already explained this before, the scum are going to target me tonight anyway, so would you rather lynch me and allow them to target someone else or lynch someone who is scum / scum supporter and let them kill me?

 

 

Why not just a goon that delivered the kill? Regardless... Vote: Fermion

That seems to be a very quick vote based on your experience Kevin. Why in such a hurry?

 

Fermion, on 29 Apr 2016 - 10:18, said: My question is, do vigilantes and serial killers have limits on the times they can kill?   This was before he claimed to be a Vigilante. So he is either lying about being a vigilante or he is a vigilante who is not x-shot. So even if you beleive Fermion to be a townie Vig that will mean he has no x-shot ability.

That, again was to go under the radar of the scum so that I could continue my job as a Vig. If I seemed clueless about such an important aspect of the role, how could I be one?

 

Now. How would an inexperienced guy like me know that Vigilante has an x shot ability? You can read the Mafia wiki and it pretty much gives you the impression that the vigilante can kill however many people they want.

 

He claims to have killed TheDoom because he suspected him on D2 (that post was on the 22nd I think). But since then he was pretty much lurking except this pretty weird post on the 25th.   Quote As I said when imran first posted his lynch, I suspected him of faking his identity. But Rhizo as a scum made sense at the time, because of his behaviour. But since that time, a lot has changed. Several of the facts that we were basing our Lynch on have changed. Still, I think Imran was right. Trying to Lynch Rhizo brought ou t a lot of interesting info. But I don't want to kill a townie, and hence I'll withhold my vote until I'm at least reasonably sure someone's scum.   No mention of TheDoom here. But , eh does not want to lynch a townie. But has no problem of shooting dead a potential townie at night? It does not add up. If he is the Vig and does not want to kill innocent townies (which is the reason he gave for not voting for Rhizo), why would he shoot someone at night without being "reasonably sure someone's scum." Sorry it just does not add up.

This, again, was my attempt at going under the radar of scum by hoping they didnt remember I was the one who suspected Doom when he got killed.

 

I didn't want Rhizo to die, yes, because I wasn't sure if he was town or Scum. If he was killed and it turned out that he was a town and I killed Doom and it turned out he was town too (which was always a possibility in my head), the town could have, at worst, suffered 3 losses, and I thought it could turn out to be too much for the town and they would lose.

 

 

 

  Add with that, he has been lurking the whole game. The above post was made by him after 5 days of lurking I think and only when I pointed out that Rafay, Fermion and iSocialism are lurking.  

The lurking is more because I'm really busy (see the gone fishing thread) than anything else. I try to be as active as I can but there are a lot of posts to go through everyday.

 

What was your proof that TheDoom was scum, Fermion?

He was trying too hard to blend in. On the first day, he started pointing fingers,and when Mandarijn told him that wasn't a good strategy, he swtched to lurking. In fact I saw only around 2 posts from him after that, both of which were questions. And for the record, he is probably the most active poster in IRON. (see DAN Thread for evidence )

 

 

 

Ok, if Fermion is a town vig then why was there just 1 kill on day 1? He could still kill on that night..

Because I was still examining people at that time and there wasn't anyone (except Doom ) that I suspected. People also said that all the major evidence turns up on day 2 so I stood by.

[Fermion]

My rationale for voting for Fermion: he didn't perform an action in a role madness game -- sounds like a goon who didn't deliver the kill. (Note my previous post suggesting that)

I already posted my rationale for not doing anything.

[Rafay]

Yes Kevin do tell my action. But beware the mafia.

 

And mod can we get vote count.

[KevinH]

I SECOND THE EXTENSION REQUEST.
 
Rafay used a watching ability.