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[Ali bin Turban]

 

 

 

Can we ping Roq? As he seems to have forgotten about this game... Although he has been on the forum on the 28th and if he's scum, I can see him advocating to kill Samus as well. But meh, he just needs to post more.
 
Also Avater has hardly post anything and now he's pretty quick on the lynch wagon. It could be just him being new to the game (as we've seen last game as well ). But it is pretty suspicious Avater...
 
I also have nothing (usefull) to share from N1. (I'm still leaving that in the middle )
 

Yeah u r right i am just a noob trying to figure out this game , i voted Imran just for fun 
 
 

 
Fun votes ended on Day 1. Any votes and accusations from D2 onwards will be taken seriously and it will be assumed you are bandwagoning if you provide no valid reason.

That's a little disconcerting because what if I agree with what someone has said, but have nothing new to add to it? If someone convinces me with their brilliant reasoning and I vote that means I'm bandwagoning?

Right now we have very little evidence of anything or on anyone. I don't feel like I can make a educated guess about anything and I'm not fond of wild ass guessing.

 

That's a nature of the game. When you're townie, can you tell a difference between a townie that doesn't add anything on his own and just follows someone's vote against you (because he think that's right choice) and a scum that's just adding his vote to lynch innocent? You're psychologist, you should know the answer .

 

Also I believe you haven't told us yet if you got any info last night ?

[KevinH]

I don't know anything, but here are some thoughts:

• I play the game for fun
• Ali bin Turban seems the most pro-town at the moment

[Ali bin Turban]

 

Seriously? I'll make sure to take note of every time you throw out baseless accusations or votes with no valid reason. 

 

Where did I throw out baseless accusations? Are you still sore about me catching you lying and getting you lynched in the other game? Because I dont see any "baseless accusations" being thrown about by me in this game.

Let's try to avoid such remarks. I read that topic and it was really fun to watch your duel. I'm not sure if I would vote against Rhizo after his defense, but you made it to the end. You both did fantastic job there . I don't think Rhizo's sore...he just might be a scum again

[Sister Midnight]

That's a nature of the game. When you're townie, can you tell a difference between a townie that doesn't add anything on his own and just follows someone's vote against you (because he think that's right choice) and a scum that's just adding his vote to lynch innocent? You're psychologist, you should know the answer .

Not a psychologist, I'm a psychotherapist - a psychiatric social worker to be exact.  One of my pet peeves is that on TV and in movies mental health professionals are portrayed as either idiots or mind readers.  I am neither.  I have a decent bullshit meter, but I have been fooled many times in the past and expect to be fooled in the future.  I'm also a very genuine person, I find it next to impossible to not be myself for any significant length of time, which may make me not cut out for Mafia.

 

So far, no one is raising flags for me as scum.  Between this game and the Teen Titans I'm feeling more and more insecure about my Mafia abilities.  I'm not being  saying this to complain, but rather to explain where I am coming from.

[Rhizoctonia]

 

Seriously? I'll make sure to take note of every time you throw out baseless accusations or votes with no valid reason. 

 

Where did I throw out baseless accusations? Are you still sore about me catching you lying and getting you lynched in the other game? Because I dont see any "baseless accusations" being thrown about by me in this game.

 

So far you had D1, basing it off posts, and now D2 2 people "Bandwagoning." Both are soft reasons for accusing.

 

I have no clue what you are trying to say here.

 

 

That's a little disconcerting because what if I agree with what someone has said, but have nothing new to add to it? If someone convinces me with their brilliant reasoning and I vote that means I'm bandwagoning?

 

Voting for someone "just for fun" is bandwagoning. Providing no reason or no reason other then.."yeah I agree with him" is bandwagoning. No one said you cant do it. You can provide whatever reason you want for your vote. But I will also call you out for doing it because thats a pretty good indicator of scumminess.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can we ping Roq? As he seems to have forgotten about this game... Although he has been on the forum on the 28th and if he's scum, I can see him advocating to kill Samus as well. But meh, he just needs to post more.

 

Also Avater has hardly post anything and now he's pretty quick on the lynch wagon. It could be just him being new to the game (as we've seen last game as well ). But it is pretty suspicious Avater...

 

I also have nothing (usefull) to share from N1. (I'm still leaving that in the middle )

Yeah u r right i am just a noob trying to figure out this game , i voted Imran just for fun 

 

 

Fun votes ended on Day 1. Any votes and accusations from D2 onwards will be taken seriously and it will be assumed you are bandwagoning if you provide no valid reason.

 

 

 

Seriously?  I'll make sure to take note of every time you throw out baseless accusations or votes with no valid reason.  So far you had D1, basing it off posts, and now D2 2 people "Bandwagoning."  Both are soft reasons for accusing.  No one has wanted to come forward with information, so this is where we're at.  Lyner seems to be the only one to come out that he might have something, though only "sort of."  I'm curious what it is, but also rather him not expose his role this early unless the information is helpful or useful.  

 

What are those baseless accusations (please don't quote D1, because many people did that and it has no importance)?

 

So far at D2 we got:

 

1. KHitler jumping the gun - which seems like overzealous, inexperienced townie action to me and he gets noting to prove his choice (apart from D1 bickering).

2. Avater comes in and supports KH with accusations.

3. Imran hits Avater back with his suspicions.

4. It turns out Avater is not accusing Imran for real, but just for fun.

5. Imran's not buying his explanation.

6. You came in and attack Imran.

 

Why do you have problem with Imran, yet a guy that's claims to "vote on D2 just for fun" is no concern for you? How far you think we'll get with a jester crew confusing rest of the town with their "fun voting"?

 

 

 

 

 

Seriously? I'll make sure to take note of every time you throw out baseless accusations or votes with no valid reason. 

 

Where did I throw out baseless accusations? Are you still sore about me catching you lying and getting you lynched in the other game? Because I dont see any "baseless accusations" being thrown about by me in this game.

Let's try to avoid such remarks. I read that topic and it was really fun to watch your duel. I'm not sure if I would vote against Rhizo after his defense, but you made it to the end. You both did fantastic job there . I don't think Rhizo's sore...he just might be a scum again

 

 

 

I'll address you both, since you both are basically asking the same thing.

 

1.  No I'm not sore about what happened in another game.  I was caught, and had to do my best to get myself out of a jam.  Being my first game ever, and being so early in the game, it forced me to get real acquainted with the game and a lot of searching on wiki to try to weasel my way out of it.  I can't be mad someone had evidence against me and if I were in their shoes, I'd do the same.  I tried my best following being caught, it wasn't enough, o well..simply jumped me into the game quick and forced to learn what to do next. I had fun with it. Plus, you assumed I was scum, which I wasn't, so really your actions didn't help you find the real scum...whereas I was the basically the same as a town Vig, as I was truely hoping to knock out who I thought was scum.  But tis a whole different game, and I'm not someone to bring that into a whole different game.  I'm glad you have now accused 3 people in this game of holding grudges...you may want to slow up on throwing accusations around every time someone argues with you.  

 

2.  Because I don't believe Avater's actions are really anything worthy of being seen as scummish, yet Imran acts as if it is.  I mean seriously, calling a bandwagon on a 2nd vote when it takes 10 to lynch is a comical.  There was no real evidence to make people suspect Imran is scummish, do you really think a scum is going to jump on that bandwagon after a single vote was casted on Imran with no real good information to argue as a reason to vote Imran?  If it was up to 5 or so against him, and someone just went along with it without really giving a reason, then I would agree he'd be worthy of such a claim as a bandwagon.  IMO, Avater's reasoning, and Imran's are all baseless.  

 

3.  Imran calling out people for baseless accusations, when this is the individual who pushes for a lynch on D1 always.  Imran has no problem lynching someone with zero to no information to go on, yet calls out others when they do the same.  Sorry, that doesn't float in my boat.  If you're going to be cool with lynching someone with no information to go on, don't call out or get mad when your the target.  Imran is cool with lynching someone on D1, as long as it's not him..his mood changes when it's him.  And before you say it, I know it's not D1 anymore.  It's D2, and so far, we have pretty much the same information on D2 as we had on D1, besides being down a townie.  I've been waiting to see if anything has anything of note to present, and so far no one has.  Which means, we're currently where we were in D1.  So again, to my point, Imran has no problem lynching someone with the same amount of information as we do now, so he shouldn't be upset if what he advocates for suddenly is directed at him.  

 

At this very point, there is no information to shine suspicion on anyone.  It's basically like we're in D1 still.  I have yet to see any information or suspicion that would make me feel someone is likely scum, so if no information is revealed, the "fun" vote is basically where we are at.  KH and Avater's reasoning to suspect Imran is not good enough for me, and Imran's bandwagon reason of Avater is not either.  So as it stands now, if I had to vote someone now, it would be as much a guess as it was in D1.  I am not going to just go around voting and unvoting without some actual suspicion like others seem to like to do.  

[KevinH]

I'm sure somebody does know something; they just aren't sharing.

I don't blame them either.

The cop might have found a townie, a tracker might have seen someone go somewhere with no effect.

If that's the case, we should watch the activity level and lynch an inactive.

[SeaBeeGipson]

 

 

Seriously? I'll make sure to take note of every time you throw out baseless accusations or votes with no valid reason. 

 

Where did I throw out baseless accusations? Are you still sore about me catching you lying and getting you lynched in the other game? Because I dont see any "baseless accusations" being thrown about by me in this game.

 

So far you had D1, basing it off posts, and now D2 2 people "Bandwagoning." Both are soft reasons for accusing.

 

I have no clue what you are trying to say here.

 

 

That's a little disconcerting because what if I agree with what someone has said, but have nothing new to add to it? If someone convinces me with their brilliant reasoning and I vote that means I'm bandwagoning?

 

Voting for someone "just for fun" is bandwagoning. Providing no reason or no reason other then.."yeah I agree with him" is bandwagoning. No one said you cant do it. You can provide whatever reason you want for your vote. But I will also call you out for doing it because thats a pretty good indicator of scumminess.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can we ping Roq? As he seems to have forgotten about this game... Although he has been on the forum on the 28th and if he's scum, I can see him advocating to kill Samus as well. But meh, he just needs to post more.

 

Also Avater has hardly post anything and now he's pretty quick on the lynch wagon. It could be just him being new to the game (as we've seen last game as well ). But it is pretty suspicious Avater...

 

I also have nothing (usefull) to share from N1. (I'm still leaving that in the middle )

Yeah u r right i am just a noob trying to figure out this game , i voted Imran just for fun 

 

 

Fun votes ended on Day 1. Any votes and accusations from D2 onwards will be taken seriously and it will be assumed you are bandwagoning if you provide no valid reason.

 

 

 

Seriously?  I'll make sure to take note of every time you throw out baseless accusations or votes with no valid reason.  So far you had D1, basing it off posts, and now D2 2 people "Bandwagoning."  Both are soft reasons for accusing.  No one has wanted to come forward with information, so this is where we're at.  Lyner seems to be the only one to come out that he might have something, though only "sort of."  I'm curious what it is, but also rather him not expose his role this early unless the information is helpful or useful.  

 

What are those baseless accusations (please don't quote D1, because many people did that and it has no importance)?

 

So far at D2 we got:

 

1. KHitler jumping the gun - which seems like overzealous, inexperienced townie action to me and he gets noting to prove his choice (apart from D1 bickering).

2. Avater comes in and supports KH with accusations.

3. Imran hits Avater back with his suspicions.

4. It turns out Avater is not accusing Imran for real, but just for fun.

5. Imran's not buying his explanation.

6. You came in and attack Imran.

 

Why do you have problem with Imran, yet a guy that's claims to "vote on D2 just for fun" is no concern for you? How far you think we'll get with a jester crew confusing rest of the town with their "fun voting"?

 

 

 

 

 

Seriously? I'll make sure to take note of every time you throw out baseless accusations or votes with no valid reason. 

 

Where did I throw out baseless accusations? Are you still sore about me catching you lying and getting you lynched in the other game? Because I dont see any "baseless accusations" being thrown about by me in this game.

Let's try to avoid such remarks. I read that topic and it was really fun to watch your duel. I'm not sure if I would vote against Rhizo after his defense, but you made it to the end. You both did fantastic job there . I don't think Rhizo's sore...he just might be a scum again

 

 

 

I'll address you both, since you both are basically asking the same thing.

 

1.  No I'm not sore about what happened in another game.  I was caught, and had to do my best to get myself out of a jam.  Being my first game ever, and being so early in the game, it forced me to get real acquainted with the game and a lot of searching on wiki to try to weasel my way out of it.  I can't be mad someone had evidence against me and if I were in their shoes, I'd do the same.  I tried my best following being caught, it wasn't enough, o well..simply jumped me into the game quick and forced to learn what to do next. I had fun with it. Plus, you assumed I was scum, which I wasn't, so really your actions didn't help you find the real scum...whereas I was the basically the same as a town Vig, as I was truely hoping to knock out who I thought was scum.  But tis a whole different game, and I'm not someone to bring that into a whole different game.  I'm glad you have now accused 3 people in this game of holding grudges...you may want to slow up on throwing accusations around every time someone argues with you.  

 

2.  Because I don't believe Avater's actions are really anything worthy of being seen as scummish, yet Imran acts as if it is.  I mean seriously, calling a bandwagon on a 2nd vote when it takes 10 to lynch is a comical.  There was no real evidence to make people suspect Imran is scummish, do you really think a scum is going to jump on that bandwagon after a single vote was casted on Imran with no real good information to argue as a reason to vote Imran?  If it was up to 5 or so against him, and someone just went along with it without really giving a reason, then I would agree he'd be worthy of such a claim as a bandwagon.  IMO, Avater's reasoning, and Imran's are all baseless.  

 

3.  Imran calling out people for baseless accusations, when this is the individual who pushes for a lynch on D1 always.  Imran has no problem lynching someone with zero to no information to go on, yet calls out others when they do the same.  Sorry, that doesn't float in my boat.  If you're going to be cool with lynching someone with no information to go on, don't call out or get mad when your the target.  Imran is cool with lynching someone on D1, as long as it's not him..his mood changes when it's him.  And before you say it, I know it's not D1 anymore.  It's D2, and so far, we have pretty much the same information on D2 as we had on D1, besides being down a townie.  I've been waiting to see if anything has anything of note to present, and so far no one has.  Which means, we're currently where we were in D1.  So again, to my point, Imran has no problem lynching someone with the same amount of information as we do now, so he shouldn't be upset if what he advocates for suddenly is directed at him.  

 

At this very point, there is no information to shine suspicion on anyone.  It's basically like we're in D1 still.  I have yet to see any information or suspicion that would make me feel someone is likely scum, so if no information is revealed, the "fun" vote is basically where we are at.  KH and Avater's reasoning to suspect Imran is not good enough for me, and Imran's bandwagon reason of Avater is not either.  So as it stands now, if I had to vote someone now, it would be as much a guess as it was in D1.  I am not going to just go around voting and unvoting without some actual suspicion like others seem to like to do.  

 

This made me reconsider my vote. We honestly don't have much to go off of in D2 and over-analyzing and jumping the gun probably isn't the best course of action. We'll either have to figure a plan out, wait for someone to come forward with information, or just do another no lynch and hope D3 brings better results.

 

Unvote.

[Antoine Roquentin]

I'll play, but idk about the in-depth analysis part. Still new to this, so the meta-discussion is kind of going at  a million miles per second for me. No vote for this one given the issues for this one.

[Imran Ehsan]

Don't go crying that there is no info to Lynch on D2 when you refused to Lynch on d1. If you lynched on d1 there will be wagons to analyze and probably chance to identify some potential scum. But all you guys went on a merry kumbaya of no Lynch behind. So of course D2 will be as boring as d1.

[KevinH]

Sweet!  The no-lynch debate on Day 2!

 

Some scum would be on the lynch wagon, and some would not.  So we'd have one less townie without any better chances of identifying scum.

[Sister Midnight]

Sweet!  The no-lynch debate on Day 2!

 

Some scum would be on the lynch wagon, and some would not.  So we'd have one less townie without any better chances of identifying scum.

So what do you suggest?

[iSocialism]

Early in the game I like to sit back and watch the game and what everyone has to say. Right now, I have no opinions. Nothing to go off of.

 

Also can we get a vote count @thewarrior

[Robert2424]

Kevin, I highly doubt there going to be a no lynch day 2. 

 

I gotta catch up. 

[Robert2424]

The very least that can be said, Irman is taking an Aggressive approch, though he seems to be more aggressive the more time passes. Either 3 could be scum. However, I didn't know 2 was considered a bandwagon. 3 maybe, but that can't be considered a bandwagon, sorry. 

[The Warrior]

I'll post vote count tomorrow morning.

[Antoine Roquentin]

I was reading previous games and activity seems to be something people go on. Kaziocore has been posting less frequently than others but seems like he'd post more  normally. If i'm a breaking rule let me know, but I don't think I am.

 

Unvote

 

Vote: Kaziocore

[Ali bin Turban]

Rhizo, that's a good post and I agree with most of you say. I don't approve Imran's remarks about previous games because they're just antagonizing.

 

Nevertheless I think he's doing important job here - we need aggressive players to analyze and jump on others that look suspicious (given they're intelligent...and Imran is without any doubt) just like every court needs prosecutor. He's not ordering us to vote and we don't have to agree with his assumptions, so it's all fine. Personally, just as you, I don't see Avater's actions as bandwagonning.

What I didn't like was the way Avater backed out when accused. He acted like inexperienced, juvenile criminal that was caught redhanded - telling that he didn't meant it and it was only for fun. And that's why I voted for him. Given the fact that he's also inactive/lurking I won't feel remorse in case we lynch him and he turns out to be townie (which is always a possibility). 

 

Finally, far everyone has spoken already in D2 and noone has brought any useful information about night actions to the table... so we need to move on without it.

[Imran Ehsan]

"Aggressive" - Thats such a weird word to describe my actions. I feel like someone is trying very hard to paint me as suspicious and others are buying it.

 

I started this Day with a condolence message for Samus because he got killed early in 2 consecutive games. Aggressive post? Dont think so.

 

Then King Hitler votes for me giving the reason that "he got a vibe that I am scum"

 

This was immediately followed by a 2nd vote by Avater with the reason "I agree with him".

 

This looks very like a planned noob scum move which I pointed out. Why so? On D1 me and Samus were trading votes and fun barbs that the other is scum. The noob scum team thought that if Samus is killed in the night they can get a quick lynch on me. Why do I say noob. Because experienced players will not fall for this. This looks like a very nooby strategy.

 

So when I point this out and vote Avater for bandwagoning, Avater quickly backtracks (but does not remove his vote) saying it was "just for fun"

 

Then out of nowhere Rhizo comes out claiming that I have been making baseless accusations. 

 

So please point out my "aggressive" actions and who the real "aggressors" are in this situation.

[Shahenshah]

Frankly, it was so noob that it Avater could as well be a townie. We had noob errors last game too and those errors were exploited by scum to convince the town that town noobs were in fact scum. It worked to an amazing effect. I believe that is why were seeing more caution on jumping on either of the bandwagons.

What I find interesting is how AbT has been softly deflecting criticism of Imran for the past few pages.

You both are criticising Avatar for thinking he had vibes from Imran, Lol, even AbT mention having vibes from Imran. So you're criticising the quality of his case on same material that has been used to deflect attention in the past. Very interesting. Then both of them follow to vote Avater and they both have been criticising the 2 vote bandwagon on Imran. It's quite hypocritical.

Also since day 1, AbT has been sharing with us schemes to have all townies outed. You know the cops need to investigate the two of these at minimum.

And the deflection is the classic scummy one, you start with yea I agree with what most of you said and I disagree with parts of what the other guy said but this and but that, all those passive qualifiers.

I'm going to have to agree with Rhiz. Also let's not say everything that was done on D1 was lulz, Samus clearly indicated he wasn't lulling around when he mentioned Imran. But Imran has disqualified that by outright lying and saying it was just lulz.

So with blatant hypocrisy, intentional deconstruction of context and past statements, the active-passive good cop bad cop support you've been giving each other to deflect attention and hoping to get a wagon going on Avater, whose mistake could very well be a townie noob mistake, I think the two of you are acting quite suspicious.

AbT has spent the past few posts defending Imran and trying to deflect attention, I feel the attention should remain there.

Due to above reasons of doublespeak, I Vote for Imran and suggest AbT gets investigated.

Those saying there isn't enough info, this is exactly the kind of quality of info available early on, sorry but no one is going to come out and blurt it out and lay it down for everyone.

There is a clear pattern of Imran's posting and AbTs passive active deflections of criticism of Imran. He's been careful enough to keep a room for plausible deniability, scum 101 really. They will tell you oh see, you guys didn't Lynch on d1, so now deal with no information. But, there is information guys.

Remember, if we lynched on d1, we'd have two townies dead instead of 1 and there would have been more or less same quality of information. Everyone who keeps saying oh We'd find out from Lynch wagon, you think all scum would be on wagon? There'd be significant majority of townies on the wagon. The probabilities might as well have redcued to find scum on the wagon.

[Imran Ehsan]

I'm going to have to agree with Rhiz. Also let's not say everything that was done on D1 was lulz, Samus clearly indicated he wasn't lulling around when he mentioned Imran. But Imran has disqualified that by outright lying and saying it was just lulz.

wow..really? You think Samus knew on D1 that I was scum? Even before any night actions?

lol..ok

And yeah ABT and me will be supporting each other so publicly and so early in the game if we were both scum. I mean I may get that you think I am suspicious but thats just an insult to my intelligence.

And if theres a cop, this is to you. By all means feel free to use your investigation action on me tonight. But when you find I am town, make sure you use your next night action on Shah.